Have you seen this?

It also says:


Unless it's an area specifically rated Mature (Or, soon, Adult), it's not rated Mature. Pretty self explanatory, really. It also says that things viewable on the SL website (Paraphrased, obviously) must adhere to a PG rating, and to see the Global Guidelines, quoted before.


Unless it has a stated rating, it is always considered PG (Oops! Fixed). Nowhere on the Forums does it state it's meant to be rated Mature (According to any official source), and so it is PG, according to those standards.

Just because it's 'an adult community' doesn't mean it's rated mature. I've seen many movies, communities, etc, intended for adults that adhere quite well to a PG rating, regardless of the intended audience.

Any unrated area of Second Life or the Second Life website should be considered non-Mature (PG).

as for your


I've just given you two. Read more, and you'll see it.

For the sake of it, it's not about my AV pic .

What counts here are the forum guidelines. These say: "These forums are here for you, the Residents of Second Life, to discuss your ideas, questions, and projects and to share what you’ve learned."

The Community standards further say: "Second Life is an adult community"

There is no mismatch for me.

Did you change your AV picture? I think The Little Mermaid shows more skin than that!

The Community Standards don't say 'Second Life is an Adult Rated Community', though.

And again, the Forum Guidelines refer directly to the Community Standards, which say that any unrated area should contain PG material, and again, nowhere does anything say that the Forums are Mature rated, or anything else of the sort. No rating is specifically given, and so it's PG.

You can't simply take a couple of tiny sections of the Guidelines/Community Standard that say that it's an adult community and say that that's rating it, when other sections state that it _wouldn't_ be.

I can say that the Phantom of the Opera is intended for adults, but that doesn't automatically give it an R rating. It's either PG or PG-13 (Unsure, can't find a rating for anything I look up, for some reason, blargh), but it's obviously not aimed at kids.

(And, for the record, I wouldn't care if people had X-rated pics as their avatars. I'm just a bit lost in why you seem to think that the forums don't fall under that 'unrated PG' bit of the Standards.)

Must be the hair

Right, the "Rated" you just introduced yourself, that was unnecessary.

Exactly, as there is no rating anywhere in SL or the forums (unless there may be a new Adult Policy rating implemented) what only counts is the single statement in the Community Standards that SecondLife is an Adult Community.

Everything else is your personal interpretation.

Howso? I'm attempting to explain that it isn't rated Adult, it's a community OF adults. Huge difference, that's completely relevant.

My personal interpretation? You still aren't reading enough. It's like you're totally skipping half of what I'm saying.

There's that statement that it's an adult community, which is completely open to interpretation, and then there's THIS:


And THIS:


AND THIS:


I don't know about you, but I'm not finding much there to interpret beyond exactly what it says. It explicitly states that Mature material need be contained within Mature areas. It also states that various things publicly viewable on the SL website (Ever notice that the Forums are part of that website?) need be contained within 'PG guidelines'.

It then goes even further, to state that anything not rated (Meaning no PG or Mature label given) 'should be considered non-Mature (PG).'

I've said again and again that the Forums aren't rated. There is no rating given, anywhere. 'Adult community' does not mean 'Show your dongs and titties, folks', it means 'community of adults'.

Everything in my three quotes is a direct copy-and-paste, no editing, that you can see for yourself right here:
http://secondlife.com/corporate/cs.php

So, yes, it is finally Friday!

define non mature pls... LL cant do that

It's a pretty pointless discussion, in the end we probably mean the same thing.

You said, I said, it's unrated. The forums. And SecondLife itself? I don't see a difference as there is no rating. That would make whole SL PG = under "Parental Guidance". Which is contrary to the CS. But probably exactly what LL want's to achieve.

I and all who created an account here confirmed they are adults. For me under the condition it *IS* an adult community and not a PG place. Perhaps I was wrong with that.

Very basic PG definition that's been more or less static forever:


And then, from the (Still WIP?) Maturity Ratings bit from the upcoming Adult change,

They have defined it, many times over. It's just not always consistent, and is overly strict, in many people's opinions.

It has, generally, though, remained the same since just about forever. Keep it clean, and suitable 'for minors'. Though the exact definition they give has certainly changed a few times, depending on who was asked, etc, it's always been more or less the same, I believe.

There are *NOT* to be any minors in SL!!!

You're missing the point, really. I'm not saying that anything says it's intended for kids, or that all of SL is meant to be PG, or that it isn't an adult community. I'm saying that, under the Community Standards, anything in SL, or the SL website that does not have a specified rating of (M)Mature, it should be considered PG. Pure and simple. There is no way to argue that it doesn't say that, because it does, in fact, say that.

Once again, community of adults does not equate to 'okay to show anything you want'. If it's bound to offend many people, or cause a stir, it's best to keep it under the Mature rated areas, so people don't stumble into it.

You, in joining, said you were an adult. Good for you. You also said you'd adhere to the Community Standards, or TOS, or whatever, which happens to include the quoted text in my previous posts.

In Mature areas, do whatever you want. Be naked, have sex, do your thing (Within reason...). In non-Mature, follow PG Guidelines.

The statement that it's an adult community does not, in any way, shape, or form, negate the rest of the Community Standards. Just reading that and assuming "I'll log in and put a dong on my head, and nobody can stop me' isn't good. Reading the rest of it and thinking 'I'll log into a Mature rated sim, and put a dong on my head, and nobody can stop me' is much closer to correct.

And? Suitable for minors doesn't mean 'We want minors'. It means exactly what it says. You're reading way too much into these things, seriously. Not every adult wants to see porn, or tons of violence, or swearing. Some downright hate it! Imagine that! So, generally, LL tries to please them, by designating areas Mature, that those people can then avoid.

I have been quoting definitions, and Community Standards, and so on, and you seem to have been taking them as my own opinion, or my own definition. These are given by LL, for reasons that they have cited in many places, and that quite frankly, I'm not going to bother finding.

Keira, the one important point *YOU* miss: SecondLife *IS* an adult community. Or at least it was. You can interpret whatever you think to make a point. It doesn't change a thing. And you don't tell me I have to ask my mom to post here, as this is under Parental Guidance.

Nothing personal.
Boy

this whole thread is rediculous

Goddamn (Said in with a sense of amazement, not insultingly). You are *completely* missing the point. PG is a rating. Not directions on what to do. It indicates that the content contained within that media is suitable for children, with parental supervision. In modern times, even the supervision isn't taken seriously. There are not many 'G' rated things, really, as it's too restrictive. People have become accustomed to more mature things, and so generally allow their children to watch more violent/sexual/etc material now than they did 30 years ago, so PG has become G in our minds, essentially.

If you go back to the definitions I quoted, nowhere does it say "Ask your mommy". It says don't put things in PG areas that are sexual, violent, or dealing with drugs/alcohol. It's really quite clear-cut, I think.

Once again, for the last time,'Adult community' is NOT indicating a rating. It means a 'Community of Adults'. Not just kinky adults. Not just adults who enjoy porn. Not just adults who swear. Adults, in general, which includes people who don't like things like that. Things here should be rated as PG to avoid offending people, essentially, and causing more flak than is necessary.

Things should be rated PG here, because there is no rating specifically given, and according to the Community Standards, it should therefore contain PG content.

I'm done, now. I've said everything I can think to say, over and over, and you're just not getting it, for whatever reason. Have a lovely day, Boy.

to quote a movie that was rated PG
"I do not think that word means what you think it means"

(and really, no one cares that RA might get replaced by an idiotic yahoo answers forum? which only Mentors will be allowed to reply to? best of luck with that, and I'll add congratulations for killing content creation fora if they go that way too)

when your plane lands, then we'll discuss.

I was under the impression that it was intended to be a new, completely separate site (Or section thereof), intended for..err...the exact same thing as RA. Just without the bullshit (Theoretically).

I don't see any other information about the project, though, so unsure at all, really. No mention of the current forums unless I missed it, so...meh. Personally, not worried.

These forums haven't been rated PG since at least 9-13-2007, which is the last search result I can find when searching all open forums for the f-word... Enough to keep the Spanish Inquisition and the starter of this thread busy for months.

Isn't that about where the archive cuts in?

The forums have never been strictly moderated to be PG. That doesn't change the fact that under the Community Standards, it *should be* PG. Just like PG land in SL itself... it's meant to be PG, but there are plenty of people doing Mature things on PG land all over the place.

AR's everyone for thread hijackery