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Ricardo Harris
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02-28-2008 03:46
From: Broccoli Curry


If you don't have the balls to report it, send me the landmark and I'll gladly go and do it.



You're mistaking me with Bracken. Please don't it's highly offensive to me.
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02-28-2008 03:48
From: Ricardo Harris
... Only a few saw the point I was trying to make and that is about buying fked up items in sl... (edited for brevity)

On the contrary Ricardo, I think many of us understand exactly what you are saying. Most would also agree that there is a great deal of rubbish for sale in SL, just as there are stunningly well-designed, well-made items.

Unfortunately, your own argument is diminished when you use an illegal item as your example. You ask in another post, "Does it justify selling badly made items?" without seeing the disconnect in your logic. If somebody is willing to rip off a movie and sell it illegally, what do you reckon the odds are of that person giving a rat's about the quality of the merchandise? The vendor knows only too well in SL or RL that you have no recourse if you're not happy - therefore it's no skin off their nose. Some have more scruples and sell a half-decent product, but if you knowingly buy a bootleg, you have no reason to have high expectations.

If, on the other hand, you had cited an original product which you had bought in good faith from someone representing their merchandise as being of a particular value and quality which turned out to be 'fked up', to use your expression, you would very likely have received positive expressions of understanding. You might even have kicked off a much more interesting discussion about the overall quality of products in SL, rather than feeling the need to vent your spleen about being misunderstood.
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02-28-2008 03:51
From: Bree Giffen
I think Ricardo is complaining that the movie itself is bad. Bad acting. Bad story.



Probably.


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Ricardo Harris
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02-28-2008 03:53
From: Surrealist Seesaw
On the contrary Ricardo, I think many of us understand exactly what you are saying. Most would also agree that there is a great deal of rubbish for sale in SL, just as there are stunningly well-designed, well-made items.

Unfortunately, your own argument is diminished when you use an illegal item as your example. You ask in another post, "Does it justify selling badly made items?" without seeing the disconnect in your logic. If somebody is willing to rip off a movie and sell it illegally, what do you reckon the odds are of that person giving a rat's about the quality of the merchandise? The vendor knows only too well in SL or RL that you have no recourse if you're not happy - therefore it's no skin off their nose. Some have more scruples and sell a half-decent product, but if you knowingly buy a bootleg, you have no reason to have high expectations.

If, on the other hand, you had cited an original product which you had bought in good faith from someone representing their merchandise as being of a particular value and quality which turned out to be 'fked up', to use your expression, you would very likely have received positive expressions of understanding. You might even have kicked off a much more interesting discussion about the overall quality of products in SL, rather than feeling the need to vent your spleen about being misunderstood.



OK, this I can understand and I appreciate it.

I'm not debating I was wrong, I just threw it in there as another crappy item sold in sl. It's all it was ever about.
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02-28-2008 04:04
From: Ricardo Harris
You're mistaking me with Bracken. Please don't it's highly offensive to me.


In what way? You have reported it, or Bradley has balls and you don't?
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02-28-2008 04:10
From: Ricardo Harris
It is what it is.


How smart do you need to be to understand what someone is trying to say? Not hard if you try. Not unless you're too stupid, isn't this right? No one was whining. And if you knew anything you'd know I've commented on this same issue many times in the past. It's all open for debate or/and discussion which is ok. But don't try to change what it is I'm saying simply because you're too dumb to understand what was being said at the start.


It is what it is nor do I regret what I ever say. This is aimed in general.


Whelps its apparent you just like to see what you type. So I will go in SL and enjoy myself for the day. Its a shame that with the outlook you have you cant enjoy it :)
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02-28-2008 04:41
From: Ricardo Harris
Expect sympathy? From who, you guys in these forums? Are you kidding me? My post wasn't about sympathy or anything else. It was to prove a point. But there are just too many stupid people here who instead of seeing what I was saying diverted from it to make it seem totally different then what I had in mind.

Only a few saw the point I was trying to make and that is about buying fked up items in sl. I have stated this many times in the past as I did again to tonight. Not once did I mentioned it was about money. And since money is the main reason for gripes then it should of shown right then and there what I was talking about.

It went from what I was talking about to some "peoples trash it another mans treasure" and all that other garbage which had absolutely nothing to do with what I was getting at. But thats nothing new in these forums since it's full of imbeciles and morons.

To the few who were cleaver enough to understand my point good for you, the rest of you can go scroll back and see what I wrote you can do for me. This is exactly why I don't blend in with you guys, you're too stupid to understand simple things being said. Not all of you but many of you. I can stay here until I'm blue in the face and my fingers fall off explaning what I was saying over and over and I'll still get your moronic responses which had nothing to do with what I was getting at.

Just another day at the forums.


So your point was that people sell crap?
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02-28-2008 04:43
From: Wulfric Chevalier
So your point was that people sell crap?


That, and apparently we're all drooling morons.
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02-28-2008 04:55
From: Beezle Warburton
That, and apparently we're all drooling morons.


I find it amusing that someone so intellectually dazzling should choose to spend his time sparring with us drooling morons and borderline imbeciles. That's surely akin to shooting fish in a barrel, no?

Maybe if you are intoxicated with self-importance, it's a fun thing to do.
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02-28-2008 05:01
From: Ricardo Harris
Now you guys are getting side tracked. It's not about someone liking something another doesn't. My point being too often you buy things that are badly made then when you complain you get nothing in return. This is what I'm talking about. Not one mans treasure...bah!

Not just a bootleg movie. It happens all the time with just about everything you buy. Oh, I forgot this doesn't happen to some of you here, my bad. or if it did you just eat it up cause you won't complain.

Anyway, take it as you will.


okay there is something with your logic here that well is illogical

your paying for stolen material and get ripped off so one guy is stealing from the other guy and your upset your ripped off by a guy who is already ripping some other guy off.

This is like complaining when you buy a stolen television set to toshiba that their stolen TV set doesn't work and expecting someone to actually care about the fact its broken. About all that happens is they call the cops who take away your broken tv and you loose the broken tv and the money. No one is gonna fix it they are going to put the theif in jail (and possibly you.. )

If you purchase contraband dont expect it to be fine art or even usable its like purchasing a copy of the mona lisa and then getting mad its not really the original mona lisa and just a cheap fake.

buyer beware. If its not a legal feed that you paid for from a legal supplier and not some guy with a burner in his basement running it off a free server or something then expect to get what you pay for. A cheap copy.

I think your offtrack in using a bootlegged copy as an example and should have picked something well more legal and not a cheap ripped off copy of something you should not posses.
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02-28-2008 05:16
Wouldn't it have just been easier to use a legal example? Such as badly made clothing or prims or something. Then it wouldnt have tinged the whole thread with thoughts that it doesnt matter because it is illegal (not that i dont agree, i could never say that pirate films are ok, and certainly wouldn't expect a good copy).
From the title of your thread, you have obviously seen a lot of badly made items, so why not give us a decent example of something a bit more legal, rather than an illegal, poor copy of an even poorer movie...

just my 2 pennies ;)
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02-28-2008 05:55
While you will never see me apologize for anything I say or to anyone ever in these forums, I have come to the realization I said some things I shouldn't of said and normally don't regardless if I believe them to be true or not. This is due to the fact I don't ever let anything get to me in here as I don't take anything seriously. Unfortunately, I let it happen today. To begin with I wasn't in a good mood when this whole thing began and coupled with some remarks that were made to me I just cut loose.

Well, as they say there's always a first time for everything.
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02-28-2008 05:58
From: Broccoli Curry
In what way? You have reported it, or Bradley has balls and you don't?




If you're a female you can always come check. I'm easy.
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02-28-2008 06:11
From: Ricardo Harris
If you're a female you can always come check. I'm easy.


I'd gladly oblige, but the last asset server crash lost my "point and laugh" animation. Sorry.
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02-28-2008 06:13
From: Claire Silverspar
Wouldn't it have just been easier to use a legal example? Such as badly made clothing or prims or something. Then it wouldnt have tinged the whole thread with thoughts that it doesnt matter because it is illegal (not that i dont agree, i could never say that pirate films are ok, and certainly wouldn't expect a good copy).
From the title of your thread, you have obviously seen a lot of badly made items, so why not give us a decent example of something a bit more legal, rather than an illegal, poor copy of an even poorer movie...

just my 2 pennies ;)




I have a folder full of crap I've purchased. Clothes, indoor and outdoor furniture, plants as well as others. Usually, the only people who come across many of these type items are those who shop a lot since they get around more. Those who don't do too much shopping obviously don't have that many chances to come across them as frequently as those who do.
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02-28-2008 06:15
From: Broccoli Curry
I'd gladly oblige, but the last asset server crash lost my "point and laugh" animation. Sorry.



Touche'
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02-28-2008 06:18
From: Ricardo Harris
Touche'



Touché? No thank you :p
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02-28-2008 06:27
From: Ricardo Harris
While you will never see me apologize for anything I say or to anyone ever in these forums, I have come to the realization I said some things I shouldn't of said and normally don't regardless if I believe them to be true or not. This is due to the fact I don't ever let anything get to me in here as I don't take anything seriously. Unfortunately, I let it happen today. To begin with I wasn't in a good mood when this whole thing began and coupled with some remarks that were made to me I just cut loose.

Well, as they say there's always a first time for everything.


I do believe you may be human Ricardo! ;)

For what its worth I do agree with your point.. not over illegal films I may add, but your point in general. Sometimes people do put stuff out there when they know full well they won't work properly or the end user will have some problems, some people will sell sell sell and hope the end user does not run into the problem that the creator has not bothered to fix or ensure is not there before selling in the first place. Then when you contact them..A wall of silence.. though I would suggest giving your merchant a little more time yet.

The thing I always get stung by is prim fittings, they look fabulous in the pictures as does the whole outfit..when it comes to wearing, you just know no amount of custom fitting is going to make a difference.. the whole outfit goes into the "Never To Be Worn - Waste Of Money" Folder.
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02-28-2008 06:30
From: Ricardo Harris
Those who don't do too much shopping obviously don't have that many chances to come across them as frequently as those who do.


I shop a lot and I'm rarely disappointed in a purchase. *shrug*
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02-28-2008 06:36
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02-28-2008 06:44
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"I Was Ripped Off by A Film Bot". A Trout Recreant Production. Starring: Those who shall not be named. Coming soon to a bootleg vendor near you.


Damn Brenda. You're so cliquey.
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02-28-2008 06:59
I shop a lot, and am rarely disappointed. However, I have had badly made items and it has frustrated me when I have paid someone money that I prolly could have done a beter job myself - and Im not bloody talented. I hate that they can get away with it.
I didnt mean anything by it Ricardo, I just thought it may have paid off to have used another, legal item as an example.
I agree with the theory behind your post though.
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02-28-2008 07:07
Regarding purchasing "DVDs" - I don't know why people do that at all in SL. Half the time I get complaints about DVDs not working, it's because the url that they bought access to is bad and gives a 404 error, and they got ripped off. If you're going to watch a movie, do it in rl on your own tv or in theaters! In SL, at best, you're going to get a crappy copy from someone who probably has buttered, shaky hands.
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02-28-2008 07:46
The vast majority of people who make and sell things in SL are hobbiests, not professionals (which to me is a big part of SL's charm). If I buy something from someone that turns out to be not really ready for prime time I just make a mental note that they need a bit more practice and maybe I'll check their stuff again in a few months. It doesn't bother me because I tend to look at my purchases as a way of giving people encouragement. Now if they were using false advertising that was blatantly decpetive then I might be unahppy about it, but that's about it. I don't look at purchases in SL the same way I look at purchases made at a real world store. There I expect professionalism and quality products. In SL I don't have big expectations.
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