Badly Made Items Just Keep On Coming

Yes they do.

Real life is also full of the same badly designed, badly made crap.
Sometimes you have to re-buy something after it breaks down because you can't afford a more expensive brand. e.g. Most DVD players are badly designed, with stupid menu systems and crap out after 2 years or less.

So SL is like real life in that respect also. People just wanna make a buck.

Would be great if there was some sort of improved system for try before you buy or more permissions settings allowing for returns.

Even demos as they are can be problematic since the Client doesn't actually tell you they are demos .. and thus its possible to get confused and buy the full priced item by mistake.


There is no "Consumer Protection" in Second Life , it is all at the good will of the creator.

Some Creators want to make sure their customers get what they paid for, others are too busy.

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Another part of this that is an issue is clothing. It seems to me the vendors always show the most flattering angles of any outfit. You don't realize it has nasty seams until you actually buy it.

Prim clothing that cant be sized to fit...

And then there are the clothes where once you get them on you realize the vendor picture was obviously touched up in Photoshop.

I shop a LOT and rarely have problems, but when I do, I let the creator know. I'm polite, give them all the details they need, and wait a reasonable period of time before contacting them again...although, I believe I've only had to 'nudge' once or twice. Virtually all of the people I've dealt with have been helpful and understanding, resolving whatever the issue was to my satisfaction.

Of course it is. Does it justify selling badly made items? No, but it happens all the time as in rl. It's a gamble especially in here. These people have no morals, no honor and they'll cheat you out of 1 Linden if they can.

What I paid for that movie is nothing and it was never what I was trying to say. It wasn't about the money. I spend in a month what some here haven't spent in a year. But if they can't see what I've been saying by now then later for them.

the thing is what you might consider junk, I might not

it is a broad brush to paint with saying that everyone thinks this is junk or that is junk

and I do complain
not too long ago I had a very bad experience with a very well known game maker in SL, even tried to get help via the forums as to what to do

the items that this person usually makes are flawless but this time I got 2 fcked up games, which he did give me replacements which were also messed up

never heard from them again

complain? where.. what good will it do? we can not name names so moot point to complain
other than to get it off our chest I suppose

over all though, I have not had many bad experiences in SL as far as designed items not meeting my expectation...

and when it does, I do not come ranting and raving here, I tell some friends, and then move on

Yeah, let's just take the movie as a bad example, cuz it's a little like the blanket full of DVDs in a Chinatown back alley: ya pays yer money and ya takes yer chances. But yeah, there's a lot of other stuff for sale that's not inherently illegal and still sucks. A lot of content creators are shipping product before they have all the skills it takes to make the product really work for customers. (This is also known as "The Microsoft Way."

But ya know, when I get frustrated enough with finding anything that actually works or looks the way I want, I figure out how to make it myself. This requires a certain degree of obsession, of course, and takes some investment of time, but if one is really, really serious about something that just can't be found in acceptable type or quality, then it's always an option.

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Is it wrong that I read this as "Bradley made items" I wondered why Ricardo had a bone to pick with Bradley.

Ricardo. You bought an illegal bootleg copy of a movie. First of all, shame on you. Second, you had to expect poor quality. You can't equate illegal copies of movies to other content in SL. It's apples to oranges.

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Or maybe some of us are smart to know "shit" from shinola and don't buy it or if we do, not QQ about it. The way I see it is the seller is the smart one selling something that you would buy and you are well.........the stupid one thinking you are gonna get an actual theater quality movie from somebody in a game.

I think Ricardo is complaining that the movie itself is bad. Bad acting. Bad story.

Don't be silly, Trout. Ricardo adores me.

Perhaps you can find a better viewer than SL or pay some machmachina people to recreate it legally in SL

Look at at this way.
LL is designed to allow people to sell stuff.
The TOS does not expressly forbid the selling of crap.
Therefore it must be that the sellers of crap are exercising their rights?
---- This sort of logic has been applied in discussions on other aspects of SL ----

ZOMG! You got a problem with people exercising their rights????
What about our freedoms??
Are you trying to put us all on a slippery slope???

With regards to the actual movie, if you buy something you know must be pirated, then you are always likely to get something poor quality.

As for why there is so much crap for sale, well, there's always some fool who will buy it, especially if it's nicely photographed, packaged, and described. It's no different to RL, people will sell rubbish because other people will buy it. And in SL, with no consumer protection at all, it's even more lucrative than in RL.

If you hate being screwed so much, why don't you AR them? There's a mechanism provided for you to make a complaint, so why not use it? Or is it better for you to whine about it to a forum of folks who can't do anything to help apart from offer advice, which you throw back in their faces?
"...that's for others here to do"? So you want us to fight your battles for you now, tough guy?

Yes, the SL marketplace has plenty of badly made product. My advice is to do a bit of research, shop carefully, and be glad that the amount of money you're risking is pretty small.
Hopefully market forces will tell and the crap-merchants will be forced out of business.

Im missing something... you come here, obviously to bitch but not willing to do a thing about it... if you expect simpathy, it aint gonna happen. You have to be willing to help yourself, not whine constantly. Calm down, paste your kinoki pads on your feet and sleep.

Expect sympathy? From who, you guys in these forums? Are you kidding me? My post wasn't about sympathy or anything else. It was to prove a point. But there are just too many stupid people here who instead of seeing what I was saying diverted from it to make it seem totally different then what I had in mind.

Only a few saw the point I was trying to make and that is about buying fked up items in sl. I have stated this many times in the past as I did again to tonight. Not once did I mentioned it was about money. And since money is the main reason for gripes then it should of shown right then and there what I was talking about.

It went from what I was talking about to some "peoples trash it another mans treasure" and all that other garbage which had absolutely nothing to do with what I was getting at. But thats nothing new in these forums since it's full of imbeciles and morons.

To the few who were cleaver enough to understand my point good for you, the rest of you can go scroll back and see what I wrote you can do for me. This is exactly why I don't blend in with you guys, you're too stupid to understand simple things being said. Not all of you but many of you. I can stay here until I'm blue in the face and my fingers fall off explaning what I was saying over and over and I'll still get your moronic responses which had nothing to do with what I was getting at.

Just another day at the forums.

Sad thing is I have seen no point 'proven', ranted about? Yes most certainly. I see now you must resort to name calling, very comendable I must say. Maybe one day it will quit raining, quit storming and SL will become the perfect world YOU wish it to be.

Why do people insist on trying to rationally converse with "Captain Sunshine?"

So your presence here admits to being one of them...?

Whilst I would agree that it is perhaps wrong for the person to be selling a crap copy of a movie in the first place, you should also have known better than to watch what you knew would be an illegal copy - even if it was a copy of the original DVD most have a 'not for public showing or rebroadcast' caveat in them so it would still have been against the rules for you to have watched it anyway.

Basically, by paying to watch what turned out to be a low quality version, you're just making the problem worse. As long as there's a market for people wanting to watch illegal movie streams, idiots like you describe are going to be making money out of it. People don't pay to watch, they lose money, they give up and go do something else.

If you aren't part of the solution (ie reporting them) then you are part of the problem (allowing them to go unchecked).

So are you going to be the big tough guy that you claim to be, and "do the right thing", or just walk away and pretend that you aren't actually an accessory to a crime, responsible for receiving stolen goods, and the various other things you are guilty of - because at the end of the day, you are just as guilty as the person selling the movie stream.

If you don't have the balls to report it, send me the landmark and I'll gladly go and do it.

It is what it is.


How smart do you need to be to understand what someone is trying to say? Not hard if you try. Not unless you're too stupid, isn't this right? No one was whining. And if you knew anything you'd know I've commented on this same issue many times in the past. It's all open for debate or/and discussion which is ok. But don't try to change what it is I'm saying simply because you're too dumb to understand what was being said at the start.


It is what it is nor do I regret what I ever say. This is aimed in general.

"To the few who were CLEAVER enough to understand my point good for you"

Sorry, found this highly ironic..........