where can I find pick camping places ?

Ok, but the way you wrote it, it could only have meant one thing to me because I'm not aware of us locking horns on any other occasion - at least not enough to merit "especially from me". In fact, I'm sure we haven't.

I'd still like to see the bit where you believe I threatened your life. Rha is way ahead of me (did I really really call you fat and ugly? ) and I'll go through it too, but you are likely to be the only one who can point to the exact post.

Why? are you going to beleive me this time when I tell you that I mean generally in the forums I have said worse to you. I never even had that stuff in mind as I said, it was finished as far as I was concerned but there are many other posts where I have said worse to you than "You rake muck Phil" which is extremely tame by anyones standards and obviously true. Why are you assuming I mean that thread when there are other threads and other posts where we have almost come verbally to blows.

The posts overlapped.

I'm sure you have said worse to me, but not enough for me to remember. Remember that, because of my bots, I'm used to being insuted here, so it has to be pretty bad, and sustained for a while, for you to register on my radar. That thread is the only time that we have locked horns that I can remember.

ok sure seems like I missed something then

what I saw was phil make a comment or two in regards to another post made by another poster which was a similar comment, it was a comment in passing, about how his mom said that he always has to be right (or something to that effect)

I did not see phil going on and on about his mom

I did see you call him a momma's boy more than once, then when he finally disclosed that she was deceased you then decided to use it as blackmail to get him to admit that he falsely stated something about your RL (something very petty in my opinion)

and you continued to post saying that if he takes back what he said you will not use his momma as fodder (paraphrased)

I only saw you continuing with it, not him...

(however I am sure you will spin it to show him as the bad guy... so be it, I am done with the conversation, you did what you did, I see it the way I see it, and my opinion stands as it stands)

edited to add... I DID go read that thread (or did you miss that part of my post?)

so stop assuming I am basing this on what Phil says, and know that I looked for the proof myself and you did not stop at just one more comment after finding out his mom died, you continued with it

and on this note I am done with this discussion, as I am sure it is not nice for phil to be seeing this all drug up again, and it is disrespectful to the family and the deceased

my apologies phil...

Well I think we have, the first thread I ever encountered you on I said worse. The Many, if not Most thread, and there have been other bot threads.

Rha is clearly not reading it properly, anyone can go read it if they want.

It is going to take me time to get it all together and that is why I want to make sure you really want to rake this muck here and now.

I haven't read it yet (it's open in another tab). But I do remember that it wasn't your first comments about my mother that incensed me so much. That didn't bother me at all. After those, I asked you to leave her out of and and explained why. Then you did it again (you've said that in this thread), and you were so glad to do it again, which wound me up. One time was too many at that point. But then you threatened a number of times to keep on doing it without any concience at all, until Colette stepped in. It was those threats that *really* had me beside myself. So it's not quite as you described.

You are seeing only what you want and not what is there but why am I not surprised. Even your own version is not sounding like what you were accusing me of a little earlier.

Since when was calling anyone a Momma's boy saying anything about his mother? Yet you both repeat I said things about his mother - lies.

Blackmail, it is blackmail now to say to Phil, if you retract what you said about me I will stop calling you a momma's boy? I call it reciprocation, and agreement and attempt to reach a conclusion.

You are also reading it wrong if you did not read where Collete posted and I stopped even mentioning him being a momma's boy and said one comment about how *HE* brought his mother up - not me, admittedly with my tongue in cheek at that point.

You even seem to be skipping the bits where he mentions her first and I pick up on it - you really think I would call someone a momma's boy out of the blue without them mentioning his mother or someone else doing it? Sheesh you are a real piece of work.

You are low to cast aspersions on my character when you *FAIL* at the things I mentioned about and misrepresent what is there and what is truth.

You fail also to mention how you kept calling me terms of endearment after I asked you to stop, you kept doing it to taunt me. That is why I took delight in calling you what I did and that was long before I knew she was dead.
Your memory is very selective. There is no need to post anything, you and Rha cannot even read what is there - why should I research it for you, you would only misrepresent it again.

Go find the first post where your mother is mentioned, it is not by me.

Anyone else who has any vague interest will make up their own mind which brings us to my original posts about your behavior in this thread, and Rha's for that matter.

People will judge for themselves should they care to.

I know you were in that one, but not to the extent of me remebering you sepecifically. That's probably because there were so many who claimed not to be able to understand plain engish in that one. The reason I know you were in it is not my memory.

Actually, Rha is refreshing my memory about it. It sounds like she's reading it ok.

I definitely want to see where you got the idea that I threatened your life. It isn't true, but I want to see where it came from, and I want to see in what circumstances it happened. So yes, please go through it and find the damning evidence. I'll do the same.

Obviously not if she is getting it wrong, see my responses to her.


And since you are determined to drag all this up again and you asked for it here is the first post where you made the RL threat against me, though earlier in the thread you had already said you would stalk me in every thread too. Post 1056.


Dangerous obviously means RL because nothing is dangerous in SL or the forums as you well know, you wanted me to be frightened in RL, well you succeeded, and you never disabused me of thinking it was anything other either in any of the posts after that.

If I had taken that to the police they would be very interested in talking to you I bet.

yes you did call her fat and ugly

your comment was that someone told you that in RL gab is fat and ugly

(personally I think it was uncalled for, but not as bad as what she said... however you both said things you should not have)

the simple solution would have been to just say sorry and move on (on both parties) but you both got pissed at the other and would not let up, nor back down

I thought we had and vowed never to bring it up again and despite what you and Phil think that is exactly what I did.

Yes it was uncalled for I already admitted that at the time later on in the thread and then came back for a fresh start after a hiatus.

Are you going to apologize for misrepresenting what was said before you read it properly? It is my character you are besmirching after all.

do you WANT me to quote the damn posts?
stop assuming I am not reading it and just making it up and go read it yourself!!
why in the hell would I say I read it, if I did not read it, when it is there for anyone to go and read and confirm what I say is fact???

you might want to go read it to refresh your memory...

(and I know the post you refer to when you say "RL threat" funny thing, I never took that as a RL threat, jsut as a you will be sorry you said crap. and yes ppl can mess with others in SL and make their SL a hell to be in... only phil knows what he meant by that comment... could have been just blowing smoke out his ass for all we know, because he was frustrated with your constantly bringing up a subject that was hurtful to him (and I tend to think you knew it was hurtful which is why you kept doing it)

I'd forgotten that, but I do remember now. That's nothing compared to what followed.

Because you said that I'd threatened your life. I will read it through and I won't find anything like that. But you may have understood something that wasn't meant and I'd like to see where you got it from. Are you saying that you won't back up that statement with evidence that you claim is actually there? That'll be two things you've calimed to exist that you refuse to show - the other being the IM.

I posted the URL for that. It's exactly as Rha said: someone posted that his mother would never accept to being wrong, and I replied with what my mother used to say to me. You later claimed that, since I brought my mother into the thread, that she's fair game and you set about it.

Yes they will, but it does help people to decide for themselves when other people don't post falsehoods. This thread was very good in terms of the lack of insults etc., until you came in with your falsehoods; one being about Marcel and the other being that nobody on our side ever admits to doing it. You raised that subject out of the blue. Nobody was talking about it. We were talking about paying for picks and such.

Yes I do because I don't think are reading or comprehending it properly.

You said I said things about his dead mother, he repeats that too. Show one place I say anything *about* his Mother instead of saying things about Phil. Momma's Boy says nothing about his mother and everything about him. So what did I say about her until the dragging her up quote after Colette stepped in?

Explain why trying to get him to stop repeat lies about my RL if I agree to stop calling him a Momma's boy is blackmail and not Quid Pro Quo.

Explain those things you misreprented. You even said I did all this and I quote "about his deceased mother" like I knew she was deceased before hand - all misrepresentation.

You don't think that is a RL threat? Well I bet the RL authorities would beg to differ if you went with that to them and said a man on the internet has posted that and you are frightened by it - which I was as is evident if you read later on.

I did see your responses to her, and she wasn't getting anything wrong - you were.


Stalking you in threads here is nothing. You were asking for it. Is that quote where I threatened your life? Is that it? I do remember writing it. You interpreted it as meaning RL? And you further interpreted it as meaning you life? Well well well. As you are so fond of saying, people can judge for themselves. And if people care to read it for themselves, they'll know why it was written - it was during the time I was beside myself with anger at you for your continuing posts about my mother. Believe me, that was extremely mild compared to what was going through my head.

You should have done. I'm sure they would have read the thread and laughed you out of the building.

what does this tell you?

it tells me that you are using the fact that you know comments about his mom hurts him, and because of that, you are using it as a means to get him to admit to not knowing your RL details (fat and ugly comment) and that if he doesn't admit that it was a lie, then you will continue to make fun of the comment about his mother (the comment she made) which you knew full well hurts him...

doesn't paint a pretty picture of you
(especially the "offering you an out", you KNEW it hurts him, yet you used it as ammo)

*sigh* as I said yes, I read the posts...

You raised the subject of your mother just as you did then, the posts don't lie and nothing in any posts of mine mentioned her - you created this drama because you rake muck as I previously stated - you just don't like the truth and that is why we have to rely on the posts being read sequentially so you cannot take them out of context in your *misremembering of them*

No, I made a comment about him, saw his reaction and went from there just as he had been baiting me throughout that thread.

You are no oil painting for behavior Rha before you start casting stones, I remember many of your posts that you now have deleted because you wont stand by what you write for all to see.
Don't you dare judge me over one thread where I taunted Phil. You willfully ignore all the baiting Phil does to many people including myself. It is very convenient of you.

It looked for all the world that you brought it up. I am sure that anyone who reads this stuff objectively can see how *very* much your statement sounded exactly like what I thought it was. Ok - it was a wrong understanding of it but there was no way for me to know that. I accept what you say about it, but in my heart, I still find it hard to believe that you weren't thinking of that thread when you wrote it, including "especially from me".

semantics

ok so the comments were not ABOUT his mother, the fact remains you knew the comments of momma's boy and such were hurtful, and they were in reference to a comment he made concerning his mom

THEN you find out that his mom has passed on, so you use that as a means of trying to get him to admit to something you claim is false (we have no way of knowing if it is false or not)

so... what does that tell you?

Then show me where I did the things that I outlined in my response to Rha, you cannot just as you have no proof of anything here either.

Stalking anywhere is the same and it is against the rules here and inworld to stalk someone for the purposes of griefing them.

Nope I posted that already, go back and read it.

I very much doubt that Phil, so what did you mean by Dangerous then? Why did you not refute its meaning anywhere in the thread after that?
Telling someone to take that as the threat is means is suggesting that they should take it very seriously. Of course you felt different about it then, very different. YOu can try to spin Phil but you only confirm that you were never sorry at all and never intended to keep your word.

Yes on a forum with words, semantics are important. So why was it OK in many previous posts for him to try and hurt me? Why do you ignore that?
You are selective and biased, and only interested in misrepresenting what is true. Prove me wrong, don't just opinion me to death, I care not for your opinion we are dealing with facts here.

Semantics or not you told an untruth...again.

Again you only interpret it the way you want to make Phil look like a victim, why is that I wonder? What agenda do you have, no don't bother refuting we will just have to guess.

I did not blackmail anyone, I told him repeatedly that he could stop me taunting him if he retracted his statements, I thought it was more than fair and really did want it to stop but Phil was too incensed to see reason by then.
I never had any intent to call him Momma's boy after finding out his mother died, prove otherwise. There is no post after I found that out where I call him this. In fact the very first thing I offer is to stop calling him it. I was not going to let him know that, why would he retract then? I expected he would say OK and then it would have been over, I lied but it took much longer for him to admit that and so it went on.

Why do you continually misrepresent and misinterpret what is there without any proof but what you want to read into it?
If you can prove your version I invite you to, otherwise what I wrote means what I say it does and your interpretation is flawed and your own issue.

Only you and Rha are saying that and even if the world thought so, which I doubt it does not mean that I was bringing that thread up, it would simply mean I had picked a bad choice of words to express my meaning. However you never even tried to get clarification. I even refuted that was my meaning as fast as I could to try to stop this train wreck from getting worse. You could have asked me if that is what I was referring to, how could there be no doubt in your mind, at all? Is that being fair and reasonable? Is that the right attitude for the forums, is it not perhaps symptomatic that you may have a problem with interpreting what people are *trying* to say sometimes? Sheesh.

You can believe what you want and will but facts remain facts that I did not bring it up in word nor intent, you did and now this shit is getting out of hand and you will do nothing to stop it.

Just because I said that you and Marcel rake muck, you really wanted to prove me right about the "You" part of that, didn't you? You could have just accepted my opinion for what it was, I even put "in my opinion" too like you once said I should, though you hardly ever do that.

You are responsible for this and the right thing to do is for you to say OK I messed up lets all drop it now.

My statement about you running some dangerous risks wasn't the one where I threatened your life? I haven't seen anything else that could be it.

Anyway, this isn't doing anyone any good. At the time, you apologised privately for what you did, and now you're defending it all. I apologised privately for whatever it was I did (probably that "dangerous game" threat - but *not* your life for goodness sakes). It looked for all the world that you brought it up here and I responded to it. So we sunk to this. I do wish you hadn't decided to change the subject in this thread though. None of this would have come up. Nobody was even talking about insults, and nobody was insulting anyone. Why did you feel the need to do that? Don't answer - I don't want to know.

Now I'm going to read that thread for old time's sake.