we got an answer from the lindens on our strip club.

There is a difference between "just being naked" and stripping and flaunting your boobs.

I am also, though, still confused as to the real difference between Mature and Adult.

Well that and the articles.....

oh wait, that is why they read those magazines in RL

damn - have to clean the monitor again

@Matthew &'Lil, regarding the confusion over the ratings.

Until LL give us a clearer definition, it's all supposition & guesswork. It is beginning to look (see my earlier post & the quotes from Blondin) like any public sexual content is being lumped into Adult. I'm not sure where that leaves PG & Mature, but it's looking like it'll be:

PG: Disney. No nudity. No swearing. No violence.

Mature: Bloodless violence, swearing, non-sexual nudity.

Adult: The rest.

Given their track record, I'm not sure it'll ever get much clearer than that. Individual Lindens will apply their opinion to ARs as they do now. People will quibble the boundary cases, and it'll never be any better defined than 'Broadly Offensive' was.

it's a Trademarked rating system


The initial design called for four rating categories:

* G for General Audiences, all ages admitted
* M for mature audiences, parental guidance suggested but all ages admitted
* R for Restricted, children under 16 not be admitted without an accompanying parent or adult guardian (this was later raised to 17 years of age, and varies in some jurisdictions)
* X for no one under 17 admitted

The G, PG, PG-13, R and NC-17 ratings were established for rating motion pictures and may only be used in connection with motion pictures that have been rated by CARA. Other entertainment, such as television shows and video games, are rated by other entities, with different rating designations, also in an effort to provide parents information about those entertainment media that may be viewed by their children. While the goals are similar, the ratings used for movies are not, and may not be, used for anything other than motion pictures rated by CARA.

Nope, I asked Blondin about this and he said my sexgen reseller vendor is fine. So selling content isn't the issue.

I don't use coarse terms to advertise so it seems I fit into mature, I still find it puzzling that a strip club means adult rather than mature though.

Linden Lab are not pointing out that the new adult continent will be the place where coarse advertising is allowed, that's what they mean when they say they're extending choice, many parcels currently breach existing community standards.

I work in a BDSM club as a deejay. After a few chats with the owner, the conclusion is this: you can have a strip club, provided you leave on the panties, and you don't use overtly sexual emoting.

Our club is going to remain where it is, but our dancers will no longer be allowed to strip completely or do what amounts to phone sex in local chat.

The owner and I both agree we're going to lose dancers, but at this point, it's no big loss. We would prefer the club to be more social than about the sex anyway. Nudity, by itself, is not "adult". Sex is.

I would assume alot of "adult" businesses will lose workers as many escorts, dancers, slaves subs are not age verified .

It's hardly a stretch to figure out that a strip club would be considered 'adult themed'.

not sure how they could stop an escort from working the mature area..they can just use their house..they work the PG area all this time

Not if a strip club is covered by the term "mature" instead. "adult" in SL context is open sex and extreme content.

There is a lot of difference between a strip club with no sex acts and a capture/rape role play area.

See, this is what I was talking about earlier. It seems like common sense to you but you don't seem to realize that we are not talking about a common sense definition of "adult", we are talking about a SL definition that discerns between "adult" and "mature" and is supposed to identify the most extreme 4% that will be cast out of the mainland and denied access by NPIOF avatars. So comments like this not only don't help but actively make things worse.

Don't worry the difference wont last long.

because it will also confuse all the people writing the AR's

And especially Zara and the G-team.

That's probably the idea, get less on the overall grid SL worldwide.

It's reasonable to assume that a lot of these are alts of verified accounts.

It's a stretch when LL say this is about extreme content, stripping really does not fit that bill. Whereas it most definitely fits the mature bill.

I wonder if this will lead to both "Legal" cyber-sex workers and "Illegal" Ones.

The illegal ones could easily be underaged, or unverified for other reasons, and will probably be cheaper.

but it will all get dragged down to the lowest common denominator. ARs will drive the system and the people ARing it all wont make the distinctions you are making.

Strip clubs will be adult. People will assume sex goes on there in the dark corners, and AR them without any evidence.

the G-team will be pressed to classify places like that as "Adult" anyhow, since they give off the "Pr0n" vibe.

It's a slippery slide into censorship not just of SL but of all the net.

If they were about protecting kids LL could do a lot of much more effective stuff than this.

i just hope the ratings wont be to typical where boobs are evil and napalm is good and you need to shoot the stripper before she gets naked or it would be considered adult.

Nooooooo, you are mistaken! They are studying material for plastic surgeons. The venue is an educational project!!!!!!!

I don't think you read my post properly. I was pointing out that LL themselves have moved the goal posts. By their own earliest definitions, Jack didn't think stripping would fall into the 'adult' category, which he perceived as encompassing only extreme public sex (e.g. bukkake, 'forced' sex, etc.). Repeating your own perception over and over doesn't change that.

I've come in late on this, but I find women in sexually overt clothing much more of a turn on than naked women, so shouldn't we therefore extend 'Adult' to include mini skirts too?

No. What the Lindens said when they first announced this was that it would only apply to EXTREME content. If we follow your line of thinking then shooting a gun at a target would have to be considered violent and moved to the adult continent.

Hell, that's put the mockers on my extreme ironing sim!



Pep (Back to working on urban nighttime frisbee golf I suppose)