we got an answer from the lindens on our strip club.

I just find this very dissapointing. I don't like the idea of the adult continent , but I was hopeful that they truely did mean xtreme adult. I thought they were targeting things like rape and graphic violence.

I don't believe that every strip club needs to be off on some adult continent.

Any estate can be flagged adult too, so limited space in Ursula only encourages the adult estate business model. If LL won't fill the demand, I would expect there will be several estate owners who are willing to.

I think it's gonna be a tricky balancing act mostly because land speculation will drive prices through the ROOF if there's any hint of scarcity. I don't know enough about the land biz to say at what point that becomes good or bad for LL, but I assume it will warrant some consideration at some point.

I believe that is exactly why they came up with this whole crackpot idea.

Are you retarded or what? Doesn't the fact that you're a strip club sort of clue you into the fact that the Lindens would deem it adult? Ok, so you don't have pornographic material plastered on the wall... wouldn't the naked girls on the stage sort of put you over the top as an adult themed club? What makes you think that adult related material being moved to a separate location is going to cause you to fail? People who don't want adult materials aren't going to patronize your business, so what's the loss. If anything, it's a plus, because everyone who visits your sim IS looking for adult related material. Should make life easier for you, not harder. Are you really THAT stupid that you'd make a statement like "A simple strip club that doesnt even have naked girls on the wall is deemed adult." A simple strip club??? Are there complex ones? Do you really think that stripping women isn't adult related? In the real world, strip clubs are segregated to the 'seedy' side of town, so why wouldn't they be in SL?

Personally, I'm not bothered in the least with adult material, but I recognize that some folks don't want it, and I understand the Lindens segregating adult related material from PG related material. The only thing the Lindens did wrong was to not do this a long time ago, or from the outset. Because now they have to make a "change", which always brings out ding dongs like you that think that a strip club isn't an adult themed place.

@ #55 Your rant would make some kind of sense if LL had said from the outset that stripping fell into the 'adult' category, but they did not. They started this whole fiasco by saying that only the most extreme sexual or violent activities would be moved to Ursula. Since then, unfortunately, the goal posts have moved - not only from week to week, but from Linden to Linden. I think anyone could be forgiven for not knowing which category they might fall into, given that it's a bit of a moveable feast as far as LL is concerned.

Yes, this makes sense. As both Ciaran and I (and others) have observed in the Further Conversation thread, the current plan makes a nonsense of having PG and Mature next to each other on mainland if, as JP Linden commented at the educators' brown bag meeting, there is an intention to make PG a 'truly clean' experience.

What I don't get is that they have a teen grid as it is, so why not just keep the kids there? As in move PG to the teen grid. Won't Ursula just also be just as open to kids on fake cc details.

Shouldn't the resources be put into scanning for pedo activity all over regardless if they are genuinely trying to save children from pedophilia, or a better age check? Or what ever one does to curb this shit, which they say is hard to control online anyway, maybe kids parents need to make sure no creep is chatting up their kid on the net etc...

I seriously doubt it is for the reasons they are claiming. If it's about making money for them it's just so insincere.

Busty: What did they tell you to do instead re advertising, if anything?

they are not separating the adult from pg..they are separating the adult from mature..PG and mature is pretty cut and dry and has always been separated..mature and adult is where i can see a strip club maybe making a mature sim..

i mean people can have sex in their houses in a mature sim or have orgies as long as it can't be seen from the outside..
why would a nude dancer be considered worse than someone having sex or a group of people having sex if they can't be seen from outside?
would nudity be considered XXX or R or would sex?
and how can people think this has nothing to do with a teen merger??
i mean we are all supposed to be adults here on this grid..so why 3 separate levels with mature being the new adult PG..

not that i really care what they do..but i don't think there is anything stupid about asking if a strip club is mature R or XXX.
not all of those places in rl are on the slum side of town..some are right down town sitting in high rises catering to the top 500 club executives..

i don't think it's stupid to be a little curious when they haven't given a clue as to what is mature or not..one minute it's as long as you can't see it from outside and the next is you can't be nude..but if you own a house you can run around naky all day long as long as you can't be seen outside and have wild sex parties until the cows come how as long as you close the curtains and keep the sex balls lower than the bottom window trim lol..
it's gonna be interesting how people push the envelope..

i wish they would stop dangling the bait and drop the hook already..it's like they love to see the fish gather and guess what they will do lol

no, mine...

(yours is still on the shrine hidden in the back room)

I'd think it should be easy to draw a line between sexualized imagery and behavior and overt public sexual behavior.... which would make a great definition between M and A if you ask me...

Oh right, I didn't quite get the separation lines, thanks Ceka.

The funny thing is, with the camera you can see if you choose... It doesn't even make sense if we are talking about stopping kids from being exposed or able to access mature or adult stuff.

I read somewhere that the new adult would require a cc with some spending on it so they could see it was an active owned card and more likely to be adult.... I mean what's that doing to save kids?

All over the net it is a genuine problem, kids having access to porn and being targeted by malicious people, most of what I have heard of to combat this has to do with filters to screen for certain things.... not credit cards. Some form of genuine age verification even would be more realistic.

If this comes to be their method I think it is possibly that they want to charge premium and maybe more for adult things.

well it's not the free world in here..they will make it whatever it will be and we will live with it..
i just see a lot of great art being put into a XXX area..not that it's gonna make a difference to me..i'll still go see it..but a lot of people won't know it's even there..
The change is not gonna affect me i any way..i'm all verified..
it would be nice to know what i can make or what i can't though instead of them saying we are making this major change..we'll BRB..only BRB is months maybe years lol

Would premature release be considered adult content?

i would be all for making premium have value again..and i do hate that parents blame the world instead of themselves and that we have to be so gun shy when around kids on the net..

i know strip clubs will end up in the adult area..mainly because they are an adult business..
but having a pg and mature and adult and then saying ok you can have sex in mature but this guy is a business and the girls can't show their breast..
what if i decided to buy two lots next to each other in a mature sim..one named after my business that may sell clothes or other things then the next lot i called my house and loaded it with sex balls..

they are going to have to limit what is said in general chat or that room will fill up..mature from the sounds of it is gonna be just another PG..i mean if it does become a thing where people have to have premium accounts to enter adult areas but you can still have sex behind closed doors in mature..there are gonna be people exploiting not having to pay a premium fee..it's gonna be interesting to see the crazy ideas people come up with to save on that fee lol

i'm not all into sex in sl or anything like that ..so the change is not going to bug me..i do love the clothes and things..
i just want to know what the heck they are doing..it's like waiting for the start gate to open lol

I love you too.

Consider yourself reported and Ar'd,

Maybe you can go script more with your extra time.

WEAPONS OF MASS SEDUCTION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

that would do it for me lol

I'd have agreed with that, but the answers I've seen so far suggest otherwise. LL, as usual have been dragging their feet over providing clear guidelines, so we get this kind of argument & FUD.

I was basing my assumptions on the following: Blondin Linden suggested a club that was "overtly sexual in nature" would have to move to Ursula. Admittedly the it was described as a sex club rather than a strip club, but I think of stripping, usually accompanied by graphic sexual emotes as being as "overtly sexual" as two cartoons banging pixels.

In another answer about naturism, Blondin suggested the subject was "tricky" and as long as "the main point of the gathering is not sexual" it would be OK. If even naturism is under question, surely stripping is even more debatable.

Finally, "If the theme or content is centered around sex, then it crosses the line between mature and adult." Centred on sex. Not extreme sex, hard sex, BDSM sex, furry sex, gay sex or violent sex. Just sex. What they still need to clear up is if dancing naked and stroking your bits for the pleasure of customers is "centered around sex" or not. Their responses so far, in particular to the OP, suggest yes.

Like I've said before, as long as I can still be naked in my home or go skinny dipping in the bay nearby, I'm not too bothered about the new rules. Nealy all the clubs or other venues that allow nudity that I've been to are on private islands anyway, so they should be able to adapt fairly easily.

Really? What have they enforced? As far as I am aware, the owner asked for advice about whether their facility would be considered Adult Content, and someone from Linden Labs gave them an answer (albeit premature, in my opinion). That's not enforcing anything.

No, the OP tried to do something with advertising and LL said NO because blah blah blah etc.



so in this case, they enforced no advertising for the BustyDustee Sideshow.

What a strange assumption, what on earth did you think I was advertising?

They will have to turn their whole island adult, that's not going to be an easy choice to make for all estate owners, especially if the island has mixed purpose lettings.

First people are getting confused with the the terms; PG, Mature, Adult. These are not the same as what is applied to movies for instance. From what LL has said it should be that the only things that have to move are places where actual sex takes places or shops that sell sexual items or animations.

BUT in practice I don't see this happening. Lindens are a group of RL people and all do not think the same way. I could see a call for BustyDustee having to move, or staying, just depending on the Linden. But I also fear much more extreme calls are going to be made and this is already happening. The recent shuttering of vendors with Robin Sojournor's child skins. On April 16th, Carl Metropolitan was banned from SL for 1 hour because a nipple was visible in a portrait in his public library. As far as I know, LL never apologized to Robin, nor reversed that decision. They did apologize to Carl thou.

Anti is right, enough land is going to have to be released so that land speculation does not drive prices up through $L100+ per sqm. And you are going to have to have enough land and everything spread enough to keep below 40 avs per sim. But in the end, if LL is not extremely carefully and broadens the rules to include anything more then sex role play areas and a some shops, Ursula could conceivably end up being the largest continent.

That point about keeping below 40 avs per sim is going to probably be the hardest part. I do not do sex in SL and have no partner. But I guarantee I will still be spending a disproportionally large amount of time there. And if land is half way affordable, I will probably buy a plot there. I can not be the only one thinking along those lines. So in the end we will end up with this huge blob of green up in the top right corner of the map and this is not going to look good for LL either.

I did ask Blondin what would be deemed mature enough to be not PG but not adult enough to remain in mature.

His answer included "dance clubs where there is 'alcohol' and dancing", which I'd always believed to be PG under the current rules.

Matthew