we got an answer from the lindens on our strip club.

We put in for an advertising account for our 'Bustys Place' big boob girls strip club and dollhouse. Mind you now, there is no 'extreme' anything other than the size of the dancers boobies there. (No death or slasher or hardcore pornos or anything of that nature, will have to start now I bet to compete better.)

The lindens sent a rep to our parcels and the verdict was its adult and will be considered as such, (and our advertising denied)

SO there you go, A simple strip club that doesnt even have naked girls on the wall is deemed adult.

If thats the case with ours, From what I've seen, 3/4 of ALL clubs in SL will fail including those that arent strip clubs per se.

4%.... is adut! LOL! ROTFLMAO!
try 84%.
thats more like it.

Yeah, the naked girls on the tables shouldn't even count.

no thats not the point... if just being naked is adult then surely sl is doomed. Maybe Im missing the meaning of adult then.

Did they tell you how they came to this conclusion without having definitions of what constitutes Adult Content?

It seems any judgement on their part is premature since the policy is incomplete.

True that. Although, I'd assume that content for the purpose of titillation would be a no-brainer.


Uh huh-huh, he said titillation.

Obviously. Being naked in a decidedly sexual context is by all rights considered adult. And don't try to tell me stripping is not in a sexual context. The big boobs aren't there just for the pleasing aesthetic background they provide to a gentlemen's party place. They're jerk off material.

That does seem extremely premature, given the fact that no standards have been released yet.

How else would you deem it? I mean, stripping for money, tips, etc.. has to be considered adult.

Look at it this way. Now SL is about the size of small European country but with the concurrent population of one small town, creating a ghost town effect. So this is a way to get your 84% of the current residents into one place and leave the remainder of the world to whatever is being planned - commercial use and the teen grid merger or whatever.

Though I had been ambivalent about the grid merger, feeling we already have enough juvenile behavior in world, that's probably short changing the many many minors who do act more grown up than many residents I see. And after visiting the Science Islands (I don't know if they have a collective name) I feel kids really should be allowed to access that. I would have been fascinated at 14, as I am now.

I guess that's easy for me to say. I don't have an adult business.

LL were talking extreme adult content, proper nasty stuff, nekkid av's are not extreme adult content. This is why LL are talking absolute balderdash over this issue.

Is that why they go? Damn! My ex said he only went because the beer was at the perfect temperature.

I'd deem it mature, which is already set as a sim rating. If this is the sort of content that needs to be sent to the adult continent then what is mature?

Does this mean we can get rid of all those guys who insist on dancing shirtless in clubs?

No Shirtz! No Mature for youz!

To the OP, I think you're being disingenuous if you consider stripping to be a non-sexual activity. I'd agree that nudity does not necessarily equal sexual, but I doubt your dancers are doing it from a spirit of naturism, or to recreate classical sculptures.


Maybe they should always ask the dancers?

Morality Linden: I'm from the, uh, Confidential Committee of Moral Abuses.
Dancer: Committee of Moral abuses?
Morality Linden: Yes Ma'am. There's been some reports that the management have been taking liberties with the artists in this place.
Dancer: I don't know nothing about it.
Morality Linden: Have you felt yourself to be exploited in any way?
Dancer: How do you mean, exploited?
Morality Linden: Well... well, like to get this job. I mean, did... did you do, or... or were you asked to do anything that's lewd... or unsavoury, or... or, otherwise repulsive to your... your person, huh?

Perhaps they should mirror those islands on the Teen Grid.

The point of the Teen Grid is not to prevent juvenille behavior in SL, it's to keep SL from becoming a haven for pedophiles. When a parent signs their child up for TSL, they can have reasonable assurance that Linden Lab is keeping a pretty strict watch on the gate as far as what adults are allowed in and how much they are permitted to interract with the children there.

It's supposed to be extreme adult content, that's what the left hand of LL tell us. A strip club is not extreme adult content, it's mature, it should be on a mature sim but it's certainly not extreme.

OP: That sucks, sorry.

People who think this is fine, adult content, duh: The problem in my mind is that the only official LL word on this was the original blog post which specifically singled out the most extreme XXX 4%. Blondin Linden has since made a bunch of statements about other things which he felt would be Adult, including strip clubs and other places featuring erotic sexualized nudity. But that is entirely at odds with the official line.

Best case there is a major disconnect on what Adult encompasses, depending on which Linden you talk to and what day of the week it is. Worst case, LL flat-out lied to us in the blog post. I think that's what is of major concern here, and why people like Busty have a right to be upset.

What is an "advertising account" in this context and what does it have to do with access to sims?

Will the dancer then attack the Linden, flee and get shot in the back by him? That sounds pretty extreme to me. What's next, Voight-Kampff tests for everyone to determine who's real and who's a bot? Actually...that seems like a better way for Lindens to spend their time. (Yes, this reply is useless, I just wanted to give you props for the Blade Runner reference. )

They were? Last I knew, they were talking about things _centered around sex_ or violence, along with the more extreme things. You know, the things that places are required to have bouncers for in RL, or at least someone checking ID on those that seem too young.

You can wander around your home naked in RL without checking IDs. You can't run a strip join with 12 year olds running around. Just not accepted, usually.

So, is everything racier than the SI swimsuit issue going to be rated "Adult"?

"PG" and "Mature" will be meaningless. We'll have Ursula and eight "G" rated continents.

Seems to me the definition of Adult Content is the foundation for the whole plan, and it would have been a good idea for Linden Lab to have at least a vague idea of it in place before announcing this thing.

omg does that mean that minors can't go into the rl topless coffeehouse down the road?

Nudity is not 'adult'. Nudity with the express purpose of sexual titillation is.

But see, the only thing that matters here is how Linden Lab defines "adult" for the purposes of land and advertising and age verification - and the closest thing we've had to a definition talks about "extreme" things and "4%". Neither of which fit at ALL with an ordinary strip club.

Your personal definition of "adult" doesn't matter the tiniest little bit. Neither does mine. LL, on the other hand, seems to be happy jumping in and enforcing a policy before they even know what it is, in a manner completely at odds with their only official statement on the matter.

I'd like to think the definitions would follow along the lines of

PG SI swimsuit calendar
ex: hooters yes, strip club no

M pretty much anything that would require a RL id check, or might get shown on the news
ex: strip clubs yes, BDSM dungeons no

A what most people wouldn't admit to their neighbor as having done
BDSM Dungeons etc

(I say most, because me, I'm a freak, and if you bring it up I'll tell you all about it)

or to simplify
non-sexualized/publicly-sexualized-but-not-engaged-in-sexual-acts/public-sexual-activity

Blondin said a couple of times at least that stripping is deemed 'adult', on the grounds of sexual intent. Now, a public display of sexuality is not the same as public sex, and what constitutes an incentive to engage in sexual activity is widely open to interpretation. Stripping is certainly not at the extreme end of the scale that we were first led to believe would be the benchmark for removal to Ursula.

If 'sexual intent' is to be the yardstick, then given the many and varied sexual proclivities of humans, it seems to me that LL has dug themselves a pretty big hole.