"For Sale" signs now forbidden?

Thing is, I think the number of people who "impulse buy" a piece of land like that is vanishingly small, and not a reason in support of "For Sale" signs.

I get really tired of playing word games with you.

We didn't have the rules before, that's so obvious to anyone that it doesn't need to be specifically stated. It's the lack of rules that led to widespread abuse and necessitated the stricter rules that are in place now.

Unless you want to pretend that we didn't have any mainland blights the meaning of what I said is rather clear.

I never said you got into any trouble, I said you ran into trouble by splitting the land because where before you had 1 sign for 1 parcel you now had two (three) parcels but you still were only allowed 1 sign regardless.

I didn't imply anything. You stated it yourself in this thread that you had 2 signs up on the same sim which is against the new rules.

They allow one sign per sim, someone takes one sign per parcel.
If they allowed one sign per parcel, someone would take two signs per pacel.
If they allowed two, someone would take four.
Etc, etc.

The whole attitude of "I do what I want without regard to anyone else" is what ultimately led to the new guidelines and if they loosen up things will just go downhill once more.

As far as rules are concerned, you don't get to break them just because you think they're stupid.

If you can't abide by things the way they are then you're not responsible enough to be given any more leeway than you already have because you'd just keep on stepping over the line until it's all completely meaningless.

I answered it, you just didn't like my answer.

My view of this thread is that nobody has come up with a good reason as to why For Sale signs shouldn't be allowed on each parcel, as long as they are unobtrusive, such as flat on the ground and no more then 0.5m high. Some people don't think they are needed at all, and that's fair enough, but nobody thinks they should totally disallowed. Others think that they are very useful. And some people agree with the one For Sale sign per person per sim rule.

So, given that everyone agrees, or accepts, For Sale signs, does anyone have a reason why a small, flat, 0.5m high, For Sale sign shouldn't be allowed on each parcel that's for sale? Leave the rules out of it. I'm interested to know if anyone has a reason why they shouldn't be allowed on each parcel.

My thinking is that a smallish, flat, 0.5m high sign on each parcel is far less obtrusive than one 8m high sign per person per sim, even when there are lots of parcels for sale in the sim.

I never suggested that they shouldn't be allowed. I am just not convinced that they are necessary. Let's say that they were totally banned tomorrow. What would change? Nothing.

People could and would still find land the same way they could before.

God help me I am probably going to burn in hell but I actually agree with Phil and Ciaran over this issue

We're the rebel alliance I'll have you know, you've been blinded by Vader and his cronies!

There is difference between a innocent ugly build with someone learning how to build or
is creatively expressing him or her self in ways that others don't find beauty in
it and doing it intentionally creating ugliness to extort and blackmail others into giving you money for it.
Yet selling and making money is wrong in it's self as long their is demand for it.
I have met several people who have what I consider ugly shop displays and products
but they make more money selling their products then I could imagine

We're the rebel alliance I'll have you know, you've been blinded by Vader and his cronies!

"Do we really want to make contact with meat?"
"Let's just pretend there's no one home in the universe."

The adfarmer policy was done to stop people using ugly to extort people into buying the land for outrageous amounts. It is the two things coupled together that are important, not just the ugly.

That was the original adfarm policy, but Jack's September blog posts are more sweeping than that. He's repeatedly stated that LL will fulfill its role as manager of its Mainland "estate". The current specific policy has to do with advertising, and is directed toward folks with multiple ad appearances on the same sim or (especially) on multiple sims. But the underlying motivation is to make Mainland a viable business for LL again, so practices that degrade the appeal or profitability of the Mainland are subject to intervention. Per Jack's 9/12 blog post, "If you are engaged in something that clearly has a negative and widespread impact on the Mainland experience, we will request that you stop."

So, "isolated ugly" is okay, but "widespread ugly" will probably get removed. And multiple land for sale signs got caught-up in the current operational definition of "widespread ugly"--and specifically "advertising" so it fits in with the current policy.

My hangup about all this is that is just seems unfair that somebody with one 512 for sale in a sim can use a sign, and somebody with, say, two non-adjacent 512s has to choose one to go without a sign. As I've said, I think that if such signs could *never* be used, nobody would lose out on enough business to pay for a freebie, but if some parcels can be marked with them, some people are going to continue to stumble upon land to buy by seeing these signs, so it somewhat disadvantages parcels that can't have signs.

I think it's a waste of time proposing it, but to me, a fair and frankly preferable solution would be that any for sale parcels 512sq.m. or larger may have one sign, textured on top, no more than 0.5m from ground surface at any point, and no larger than 4m square, and all the other stuff (no particle system, no targetOmega, no prim light, etc). But to be acceptable--to be fair--that rule must apply to Ma and Pa's Homestead, too.

cuz it's ugly Phil. even flat.

I disagree. They *can* be ugly, but no sign is ugly just because it's a sign.

Phil I honestly believe that you put out nice looking signs even though I have never seen any of your stuff. However... we all know that many people are going to abuse whatever lee-way they are given. Now is not the time for LL to be loosening up the regulation of the mainland that so many people have waited so long for.

wanna see what those low signs would like like peppered all over a sim? go to Paneer. ugh.

wanna see what those low signs would like like peppered all over a sim? go to Paneer. ugh.

So pretty, who wouldn't want to live there!

I disagree. They *can* be ugly, but no sign is ugly just because it's a sign.

Aren't you reacting as though this was a permanent installation?

Are they not, instead, notices of availability that will be gone once the land is purchased?

Do you have some sort of guarantee that what will happen to the land once it's purchased will be less 'ugly'?

Part of being an adult, contributing member of society is realizing that everything can NOT be exactly to my taste; some things that I don't personally enjoy or prefer are actually useful and even reasonable.