"For Sale" signs now forbidden?

Ponsonby, it isn't directed at you, so please don't take it as a personal affront. No one is calling you anything; rules change.

No, I read the thread where people say that someone who ones more than one parcel in one sim should only be allowed one for sale sign on one of his parcels and no signs on his others parcels.

No you misunderstood me. I just happen to think that the one for sale sign, per owner, per sim rule is a step in the right direction.

Thing is, I think the number of people who "impulse buy" a piece of land like that is vanishingly small, and not a reason in support of "For Sale" signs.

Most people have already come up with reasons and issues in their mind why they need more land. "Gee, I have run out of prims. I need more. Hmm... only way to get more prims is to get more land.." "Gee, I have run out of space; I want a bigger house or shop; I need more space. Hmm.. only way to get more space is to get more land...". They are already predisposed to the notion of buying, and probably already have done research in the area surrounding them. Some may even be bold enough to check with all their neighbors to see if they might be interested in selling. They most likely have already learned to use the map overlay, and may know about View->Land Owners. They've probably already flown around their borders looking for land for sale using every method known and available to them at the time. If the issue was pressing, then they probably check fairly regularly, maybe even weekly, or daily. They might see a For Sale sign, as it might otherwise not be in their view, but they definitely would see the yellow blob on the map.

Then again, maybe it's not a pressing issue, but I can't see it as a "gee, there's land for sale next to me! Cool! I will buy it!" without already having a reason to. For one, it most likely will require them to obtain the resources in terms of L$ and tier to buy it.



I don't think you can say that, either. Do you KNOW for a fact that she had not looked already?



I only bought my first parcel via Land Search. If I move, I will use Land Search to find my next one (unless I buy an Island, of course). I SEVERELY DOUBT that I will buy another parcel due to seeing a "for sale" sign somewhere in my travels.

I understand where you are coming from; I just don't see prim signs as anything but redundant, is all. If it makes you feel better to use them, I don't necessarily mind them being used, as long as they follow the rules (so many of them before the rules were put in place were spammy to the point of ridiculous and beyond). I even can live with one per parcel 256sqm (or 512sqm) and above.

All I am talking about here is the invention/inflation of reasons why they are better than all the other tools available to the point of absurdity, essentially "justifying" them as being non-redundant.

I do appreciate that.

I was referring to the new policy and the warning I received, though---to LL (in effect) calling me a jerk, not you guys.

^_^

When I posted a suggested rule of 0.5m high a couple of pages back, I first wrote it to apply to 512s and up, but I took that part out because I visualised a grid of 16m plots, each with a 0.5m high sign and all following the rest of the new rules, and I didn't see it as being an eyesore. To my way of thinking, it's the 8m height that can produce eyesores on a group of small plots, and even on a group of 512s if the horizontal dimensions are large.

If Land Sale signs are restricted to 0.5m in height, then I can't see them being a blight on the landscape.

Lots of things, yes. Ad farms... porn signs... smiley face prims. Your point?

That's right. A For Sale sign that's flat on the ground is easily seen by people flying around, or moving around nearby where those for whom the land might be of the greatest interest are.

I do, especially when that little "buy land" icon pops up in it, causing the title to shift noticeably, because I am curious as to why it shifted and what I may have stumbled onto (like damage-enabled land, no-fly land, etc).

If I want to see what's for sale I look at the map. It gives me a much better picture than signs.

Yay. We agree then.

Yes but it's people who aren't looking to see what's for sale that we're talking about.

No, I don't know, and I can't categorically state that she wasn't keeping a lookout, but I do know that you can't say she was keeping a lookout

I haven't argued that signs are better in general. I've argued that in some cases they are better, simply because the other ways of spotting land for sale aren't being used.

Nope.

As a security researcher, I am one of those people who is constantly puzzling in my mind how a terrorist would get dangerous items and materials through, and it really isn't all that difficult. The system is designed to catch stupid terrorists, well, some of the time.

While waiting in those long security lines, people like me have PLENTY of time to run through scenarios in our heads.

Good reading on the subject:

http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200811/airport-security

I've *never* noticed that. I'll have a look - not that it would be any use to me these days, as I'm only interested in buying in the main sim, and I do a daily flight with Land Owners on for that purpose.

Why would you want for sale signs on the plots anyway ? who flies around looking for them to buy land ?

If someone wants land they will probably do the same two things that i do.

1. look for land highlighted yellow on the grid map in an area im interested in purchasing.
2. use the land tab in the search window.

I get really tired of playing word games with you.

We didn't have the rules before, that's so obvious to anyone that it doesn't need to be specifically stated. It's the lack of rules that led to widespread abuse and necessitated the stricter rules that are in place now.

Unless you want to pretend that we didn't have any mainland blights the meaning of what I said is rather clear.

I never said you got into any trouble, I said you ran into trouble by splitting the land because where before you had 1 sign for 1 parcel you now had two (three) parcels but you still were only allowed 1 sign regardless.

I didn't imply anything. You stated it yourself in this thread that you had 2 signs up on the same sim which is against the new rules.

They allow one sign per sim, someone takes one sign per parcel.
If they allowed one sign per parcel, someone would take two signs per pacel.
If they allowed two, someone would take four.
Etc, etc.

The whole attitude of "I do what I want without regard to anyone else" is what ultimately led to the new guidelines and if they loosen up things will just go downhill once more.

As far as rules are concerned, you don't get to break them just because you think they're stupid. If you can't abide by things the way they are then you're not responsible enough to be given any more leeway than you already have because you'd just keep on stepping over the line until it's all completely meaningless.

I answered it, you just didn't like my answer.

I agree. Well said.

Neighbours. They advertise plots to people who aren't actively looking for land.

You've just clarified my point. If they aren't looking for it why would a for sale change their mind ?

Unless they are compulsive buyers in which case SL is the worst place they could possibly be lol.

..and if signs weren't allowed (or are limited in this sense), they still have several EASY ways to find out about them, either through the seller's efforts, or their own.

Opportunity knocks. They see the chance to expand but they weren't looking for it, it landed in their lap.

Yes they do but that's not the point being made here, the point being made is that people can and do see for sale signs and then go and investigate.

The same as when someone comes and tells me they're going to rent a newly vacated neighbouring plot. They hadn't asked me for more land, they hadn't asked if I'd got any other plots for rent but when they see the chance arise they seize the opportunity.

Well, that kinda is the point, at least the one I am making. For sale signs are redundant. They also aren't nearly as effective as the other methods of finding land for sale. Even in the case of neighbors, they can EASILY discover that the land is for sale, whether they see the sign or not. Does the sign add to the visibility of the plot for sale? Maybe. Depends on the situation and who is "looking". The point is that I don't see an overriding justifiable reason for their use which isn't served handily by other, better functions available to all.

If land for rent could be posted to the system similarly to land for sale, I think it would make rental signs obsolete/redundant as well. However, we don't have that capability, so land rental signs should most definitely be allowed (again, on 256/512+ plots).

Again, I am not trying to say that people shouldn't be allowed to use For Sale signs on larger plots, I simply don't see the value or rationale for having/justifying them here.



Uhh, I lost you there...

Absolutely not. For you, no doubt, but not for residents as a whole.

They are more effective in some cases.

They can, but they are not looking.

Definitely.

The point is that For Sale signs are an effective way of showing that something is for sale. They don't need an overriding justifiable reason other than that. That goes without saying. And nobody has come up with a reason to not have them.

Fair enough. Others do see the rationale for them.