Inclusive Communities and Representations of Violence against Women

No one is telling anyone to "shut her damn" mouth; nor has anyone called anyone else a "bitch".

<.< considering the number of guys that have asked me to go fem with my kani... I think the majority don't care.

Many as in more than one, or many as in a large percent of the total sex workers?

I suggest that the Bunny Ranch in Nevada is not broadly representative of the sex workers in America.

Though maybe its my perception that's skewed. I've known a few strippers. I know one who, after retiring from it, said she enjoyed stripping but was happy she could finally get a desk job. The others were either working their ways through college, or had abandoned hope of that long ago (and in that group, many were making incomes as strippers that still kept them close enough to the poverty level that they qualified for public assistance).

But for the women- and I would say it's few rather than many- who had a full range of choices and yet chose to be sex workers, that is great for them. Anyone who gets to make a living doing something they enjoy is living a great life. I just suspect that in the sex industry, they are the exceptions rather than the rule.

That just doesn't sound right lol

I think they're equally in balance with the guys who freak the heck out over any SL woman who won't "voice verify" to assuage their homophobia.

hmm... wonder if that is why Rock is so angry at me. He peeked at my profile.

....this is SL...not Los Angeles, not tree huggers country or green peace country...SL...do you people honestly have nothing better to do in your lifes then to try and borify a game?..a game..once more so you understand...a game.

watch your local news and see how successful you've been. Hey blame it om Marilyn Manson and Dungeons and Dragons while your at it.

The devillllll made them do ittttt.

Give me a break.

Oh, party at my sim, they'll be dungeon and dragons, lots of Marilyn Manson music and Slayer music and I'll have a giftbag at the door with a 9mm and a couple hand grenades. Help yourself to the strict 9 laced cool aid and fruit salad chalk full of razor blades. If you get tired theres graves already dug outback in the yard

You do realize that 540,000 Americans isn't a very large number. Less than .25% of the population.

Like many Americans I believe in both the 1st and 2nd amendments.

don't confuse the man with facts!

LM plz

The difference is laws that cover actually committing a crime versus policing thoughts.

Half of which probably didn't even actually see the incident.

Oh cool. Shane wins.

especially considering he's in violation of the ToS by asking for RL information...

If I had the $$$ to sponsor a virtual world I would buy a RL "sim" in the caribbean instead.

I basically wonder, is the OP and her buddies trying to generally ban bdsm.

What I want to know is why is it only r/p of things that can fall into bdsm that they are claiming can cause rape?

What about "normal" sex... are they assuming that all "normal" people never rape?

Over all don't they really need to ban ALL sex?

I mean it was only 2 decades ago a mate of mine was fired from his childcare work for being gay.

These "debates" always seem to drag out the jabs at someone's city, state, country... I'm surprised you didn't do the usual lash-out at a bible-belt state though (and yes, that would have been equally unfair).

-- another liberal feminist for free speech (to spell it out, in case you missed my earlier posts in the thread: no, I do NOT support the version of feminism, or its projects, that is espoused by the OP)

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Jack the Ripper only wanted one thing from his victims. I'll give you a hint... It wasn't a shag, a hand-job, or a blow-job. Since the beginning of time, people have always used their imagination. The fact that these guys want to mimic something they have seen is just them being unimaginative. The reason you hear about it happening more often now is because of the advent of technology. That doesn't mean it wasn't happening prior to the invention of the T.V.

Pets? Oh how sweet of you to spend your time pampering, cherishing and protecting all those "vulnerable" women. Not exactly empowering for them, though, is it?

I am not having a dig at your kink, honestly, as long as it's all consenting adults that's great! It does seem, though, that your kink has coloured your entire world-view (that all women are vulnerable and in need of protection), or perhaps it's the other way round and your kink has grown out of the general way you view women. Perhaps that's why you think nobody else can tell the difference between sexual fantasy and RP and real life? Just trying to understand where you are coming from.

I agree that those sort of images (real ones) should be removed I totally disagree with the law as it stands as it has some far reaching effects. My firend Clair Lewis is a tireless campaigner against this law and I hope at some time it is changed so as not to be so draconian. She runs the CAAN website http://www.caan.org.uk/ for which we as a website are solid supporters and yes Scotland wants even stiffer controls. Whilst I agree what happened to Jane Longhurst was tragic and done by a mentally unbalanced person, these laws should not affect normal people who are into the BDSM scene etc. IMHO

After 2 years in Iraq I have seen a lot worse things done to innocent people, for no real reason apart from the fact they were at the wrong place at the wrong time, than what happened to her.

Yes I am well acquainted with the Australian court case and that in my mind shows how stupid these laws can become. I have had that cartoon on my PC, does that make me a sex offender, absolutely not, what it does show me is just how stupid some of our law makers and court systems are to destroy a mans life over a cartoon. Thank god masses of people in OZ supported this guy over this totally ridiculous case in question.

I am in a 24/7 BDSM RL relationship and open about it if asked and my wife is very submissive towards me and will do anything I ask of her, but just for me and no one else unless I have told her otherwise, but I do not abuse our relationship and the power that she gives me. Thing is and which most do not understand, she holds all the power if the rights were known as I worship the ground she walks on and would lay my life down for her if I had to. She is submissive to me because she chooses to not because I abuse her and make her and that is the difference. Outside of our relationship I wouldn't like to cross her as she is a very strong woman and knows exactly what she wants and she gets it when she sets her mind to it, she is well educated and has held managerial positions in the workplace.

It is between us consensual just like here in SL and thats the difference. I abhor violence against women any woman in fact violence against any person unless in self defense is inexcusable but I do not need governments telling what is right and wrong as I was taught that from an early age and I accept there has to be laws and consequences for actions but stupid laws like the one above well its the world going crazy imho

When trying to rally others to your cause, one good strategy is to focus first on those aspects that you can use to rally the most support from the middle. Once you can get enough people to agree with you that "yeah, that's kinda messed up," then you can expand your campaign. This is how the Prohibition era came about in RL. Banning "kinky" sex is just the beginning, and succeeding there would establish a precedent that will make it that much easier to "cleanse" the virtual world of all naughty adult behavior.

A little hyperbole and a few logical fallacies never hurt for rounding up the sheeple, either. "Rape is bad, m'kay? Most men who rape have read porn. Therefore, porn causes rape. To stop rape we must get rid of porn. If you don't agree with me you must be a porn loving rapist."

well as been pointed out before:
He enjoys that kind of rp, so it's a good rp.

Odd since he holds up the pay for sexual work as bad m'kay... but yet offers treats and inticements to women to be his pets.

The human mind is an odd thing at times

And he has to face the crowd now, and all his defenses are those he sneared at about how it's all consenual in rp.

I like how neither him nor the op bother to look into the biases of their sources, nor have they considered (and honestly looked into and considered) how the safe nautre of SL rp has and can help folks (I would suggest poking around concerning treatment of soldiers for reintegration into society and dealing with post tramatic stress syndrome, which has a lot of similartities to what a survior has to deal with. )

It's enough to make one consider that the sexual ageplay ban may have been a serious mistake. It was really the "thin edge of the wedge": practically everybody could agree that it was horrendous enough that it needed to be banned. Now it makes it that much easier to argue that just one more little slide down the slope will be good for us:
Note the tactic of asserting-by-assumption: those who argued against a ban were themselves pedophiles.

So now we're all porn-loving rapists.

I certainly don't propose to revisit that debate; it's not a candidate for reversal, the new Adult isolation ward notwithstanding. I just remember the anti-ban folks quoting Niemoller and warning us all that we would be next.

They were right about that.

Should I whip off my pants and wave them in salute now?