Inclusive Communities and Representations of Violence against Women

Here is my take....

I am a woman. I have a brain (ok some may not agree to that at sometimes). I do shop yup I see things once in a while do I agree maybe, maybe not, it is not up to me to decide what is right or what is wrong... do I leave hmmm nope I keep shopping I am there for shopping not oggling what is happening. Too loud? Mute is your friend.

We own land and on the off chance someone may "see" something does that mean I have to raise huge walls surronding our place? NOPE! If I "see" my neighbors doing something you know what? It is their property their place they can do what they want. Yah when walking our property once I did see something lol well it was right there near the property line did I go screaming into the nite? Nope I kept on walking our property, why? cause it was their property! On another property we owned at one time a certain male appendage kept shouting, was I offended no that was their right but I did IM the person and let him know I could here it on the other side of the sim lol. Just figured he would like to know.

And just imagine if everyone raised them walls dang wouldnt that be a sorry sight?

Here in SL there is everything and everyone under the sun here.... Get used to it or well get your own private island dont go off that said island and then you will be happy, or maybe not I dont know.

And the thing about accidently getting into a "Gor" sim I did once when tping randomly. But as others have said there are signs blue notices and all that and if you CHOOSE not to read them that is your problem, cause you CHOSE not to read.

In the end why use your energy to seek out these places or "accidently" go into these places. Why not use that same energy and learn to enjoy SL. Everyone is different and that is the part that is great! It is called diversity (I think).

Take this as you will but seems to me that there is too much she said he said she did he did and you know what? In the end it dont matter!

Bec

Honestly, with this number of posts on the thread at this point, no. Nor am I looking to test her.

This might help:

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... however, finding *this* post might be kind of difficult!

You REALLY do not see the connection between drug use, poverty, and prostitution??

You REALLY do not know that the majority of 'actresses' in porn are prostitutes??

REALLY???

Rock

You do realize prostitution is being paid for sex, as such every porn actress/model is a prostitute because they sell sex for money.


You do realize there are already plenty of laws on the book that are aimed at protecting them?

If you read your quote above carefully you will see that we agree! I agree with the laws we have that aim to protect vulnerable people against rape, battery, etc. At issue here are the views of people who argue that there should not be any laws (or LL TOS or Community Standards) against depictions of forced sex and violence against women, in the name of freedom.

Rock

Yes, by punishing them to the fullest extent of any and every law you can pin on them. But you can't protect someone from what MIGHT happen. A person can only make educated decisions, even then there is random chance as well as the effects of other people's decisions. Law enforcement is mostly an after the fact thing. Crime Prevention is really something we as individuals should be thinking about.

Which is precisely what I said.



Good, in the countries that have them. I also know of many countries where it is the prostitute that is criminalised, and thrown in jail.

Rock

what is a prostitute?
call them actress if you want but they are not really being paid to act..
i would say 100% of them are prostitutes..even the men..and before they made the big time to film they were probably doing private shows..

i'm gonna have to say the number of women and men being sold into slavery and forced to be prostitutes in SL is pretty low..
not because of some SL images someone may see of avatars posing in a picture or on pose balls doing a little forced play..

So asking for proof of claims made is a 'game'?

Don't you realize that the USA was founded on the rule of law---in which claims must be proven?




Well, the point has been made. Two posters who made nasty accusations about a third were asked to provide at least one piece of evidence in support of their claims. Neither could come up with even one shred.

I'm willing to come back to the discussion if one of them DOES come up with even one piece of evidence for their claims.

But...I'm not holding my breath.

............

*One is irresistibly reminded of:

Interviewer: What newspapers and magazines did you regularly read before you were tapped for this to stay informed and to understand the world?

Politician: I've read most of them. Again, with a great appreciation for the press, for the media.

Interviewer: Like what ones specifically? I'm curious.

Politician: All of them. Any of them that have been in front of me over all these years.

Interviewer: Can you name any of them?
Politician: I have a vast variety of sources where we get our news.




EDIT: oops, cut off the end of the 'it's all in this thread' analogy.

At issue is this:

An image or depiction of anything does not lead to the actual act except by a minute portion of the population that choose to act out that urge or fantasy.

So should you lose the ability to:
Drive, because some people choose to speed or even commit vehicular manslaughter?
Use a computer, because some people break into other computers and steal private information?
Use a phone, because some people choose to prank call or send threatening phone calls?

How do you make the enormous leap from real life victimisation - (and you named various types) and "depictions of forced sex and violence against women"? Simply saying they both need to be 'illegal' does not prove a connection - at ALL.

And by the way. Linden Labs is a corporation. Second Life isn't real. It's a business. It is not a state. It does not have laws, it has rules based upon legal liability (most likely) and profit projections.

Again a lot of emotional, straw-man arguments, with nothing underneath but your personal belief. Your logic structure is a lot like both OPs'.

well I want the op then to prove her claims, as well as you

Your turn on the hot seat.

close enough I'm almost willing to say alt or so

And those men wouldn't have sick fantasies if they didn't have pornography? I'm still trying to connect A to Z, but we still don't have the whole alphabet.



Despite what the Bushies would have us believe, there is no crime until someone has taken it beyond merely thinking about it.

Conspiracy is a legal concept that makes it a crime to plan certain criminal acts and allows the police to intervene with an arrest before the act can be carried out. Proving conspiracy, however, still requires showing that the alleged perpetrators took some kind of action toward putting their crime into motion. Purchasing the materials to make explosives... obtaining fake IDs... renting a truck... recruiting others to help... these are all actions that can show intent to commit a crime. Merely thinking about it... sorry, not enough... at least in this country. No guarantees in China, North Korea, Iran, or various other locales.

That you are absolutely obsessing on one line in one post, to the point it's become scary? Yes, the point has been made.



I think you must watch too many episodes of CSI.

This is not a freaking court room. And you still haven't understood the simple concept "OPINION."



Please. Do.

It's not just the Bushies anymore. All of those Fools on the Hill are of the same ilk, no matter what color seat they sit in. A free thinking citizen is the worst enemy for any politician in today's world.

so rock...

quick question:

For someone so opposed to exploitation of females why do you even condone slave/pet relationships?


surely it's a dark fantasy to have a woman on a leash and made to do your bidding... much like those pimps forcing the women into slavery?

Should that also not be removed from SL, since it is an example of women in captivity and forced to serve

O RLY? Cite your sources. And I don't mean some random wiki.

If you mean that the actors and actresses in porn are technically prostitutes because they get paid to have sex... then yes, I will agree that the literal definition fits. But if you mean to say that the majority of them have been forced into the career... you're going to have to cite some reputable sources.

Second life. Roleplay, between consenting adults.

If there is something about this you fail to comprehend, perhaps your government should shut your internet connection off for your own protection.

At least here in the States, the Adult Film Industry is Big Business. So big, the State of New York is talking about slapping a tax on every dirty movie you download. While there is a seedy, Mob influnced element to it still, many Adult Films are produced by and acted in by aspiring legitimate artists, using it as an opportunity to support their art, and quite often be very well paid while doing so. Many of the industry's most succesful producers and directors are women themselves, some former actresses. While it has it's tragic side, as does music, legitimate film and theatre, and the visual arts, the Adult Entertainment Industry has moved out of the shadows in into a good portion of America's homes. Thanks in no small part to the internet.

What claims have I made for which you'd like evidence?

Reread your posts, and kindly back up everything you stated.

There is a handy tool built into the forums to allow you to do so.

This type of crap has been going on by BOTH parties for decades. So don't lay that bs out there. For reference look up "Parental Music Resource Center". The Democrats are no better on censorship than the Republicans.

# ^ Farley, Melissa (2007). "Renting an Organ for Ten Minutes: What Tricks Tell Us About Prostitution, Pornography, and Trafficking". Pornography: Driving the Demand in International Sex Trafficking. Captive Daughters Media. pp. p.145. ISBN 9781425758905.
# ^ a b Farley, Melissa; Vanessa Kelly (8/4/2000). "Prostitution: A Critical Review of the Medical and Social Sciences Literature". Women and Criminal Justice 11 (4). ISSN 0897-4454. http://www.prostitutionresearch.com/pdfs/Farley_Kelly.pdf.
# ^ Silbert, Mimi H.; Ayala M. Pines (June, 1984). "Pornography and sexual abuse of women". Sex Roles (Springer Netherlands) 10 (11-12): pp.857-868. http://www.springerlink.com/content/t1h0056032220l05/.
# ^ Monto, Martin; Nick McRee (2005). "A Comparison of the Male Customers of Female Street Prostitutes With National Samples of Men". International Journal of Offender Therapy and Comparative Criminology 49 (5): 505-529.

Now cite yours to the contrary.

Rock

Honestly...stop spamming the thread with your wiki-bickering.

This has NOTHING TO DO WITH SECOND LIFE.

*clears throat* Sorry, didn't mean to yell.