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Rock Vacirca
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05-22-2009 14:31
From: Chris Norse Repeat this to yourself.
Second life is pretend. It is not real. No one really dies or is hurt. That is what the paedophiles said about their 'ageplay'. That argument didn't wash then, and it doesn't wash now. Rock
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Chris Norse
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05-22-2009 14:31
From: Ponsonby Low In what way does "support you ranting all you want" = posting "Go away, please"......?? Simple, there was no implied use of force. The OP wants to use force to stop opinions she doesn't like.
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Chris Norse
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05-22-2009 14:33
Please leave Petunia out of this. She is ok with the new plural relationship involving the pie.
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Chris Norse
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05-22-2009 14:33
From: Rock Vacirca That is what the paedophiles said about their 'ageplay'.
That argument didn't wash then, and it doesn't wash now.
Rock I wouldn't ban consenting ageplay between adults. So it did wash with some of us.
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Shane Roxan
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05-22-2009 14:34
Rock:
So the spread of pornography from your example resulted in people experimenting ...
Trying out something other than missionary, hand jobs, and blow jobs...
Is that a bad thing when it's between consenting adults?
IIRC the UK still has bans on anal sex between consenting adults...
A person is responsible for making decisions.
A book doesn't make someone do anything, an image doesn't make someone do anything, a song doesn't make someone do anything...
A person makes themselves do something.
What you and many others forget is... the root of the problem lies with the person who chose to act on their urges and desires.
There are many studies done to promote this or that that are biases from the get go...
They do not consider how something might be a release of a fantasy or urge in a manner that prevents actually carrying it out...
After all look at the amount of people that enjoy pictures of the naked body, both atheistically and sexually. They far outnumber those who look at those pictures and act on the urges they have... because it's a choice they make.
The books and magazines didn't make those killers do a damn thing, they chose to do it.
I've played violent video games, watched action movies, etc... And yet I don't go out and duplicate what I have seen... nor do the majority (and that is a simple look at the numbers... look at the number of people that have viewed your favorite action flick... and how many have gone out and reenacted it.)
To be blunt, the ban on imagery that is made by consenting adults and not an actual assault on the persons in it (meaning no real snuff, rape scenes, etc) should not be banned.
If they committed an actual crime making the pictures or movie, then they should face the proper punishments.
Making it so that a man taking shots of his wife in rope bondage or suspended is a crime... is just moronic.
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Shane Roxan
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05-22-2009 14:35
From: Rock Vacirca That is what the paedophiles said about their 'ageplay'.
That argument didn't wash then, and it doesn't wash now.
Rock so lets ban all violence in sl, meaning combat sims... It's not really murder, but it's still violence!
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Ponsonby Low
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05-22-2009 14:35
From: Melita Magic Posonby your post(s) to me read like a vitriolic rant. That's quite a strong accusation. Can you cite any remarks I've made that support such a characterization? From: Melita Magic (I also said those things were my opinion and my perception; yet you still want me to 'prove' them to you. Go to dictionary.com and look up the words opinion, and perception: otherwise, leave me alone.) So you're saying that according to your definition, opinions and perceptions are not based on anything? They are not inspired by anything? One would think that if you want to claim the OP 'feels annointed', you'd have come to that view based on some particular remark or remarks that the OP made. But.......no? Your claims about How The OP Feels and What The OP Assumes aren't based on any particular remark or remarks that the OP made? ???
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Ian Nider
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05-22-2009 14:36
From: Rock Vacirca That is what the paedophiles said about their 'ageplay'. That argument didn't wash then, and it doesn't wash now. Rock Why is there an assumption that vanilla's are pure and don't rape and bdsm-ers do? Do people with shoe fetishes all steal shoes?
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Ponsonby Low
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05-22-2009 14:38
From: Chris Norse Simple, there was no implied use of force. The OP wants to use force to stop opinions she doesn't like. Now you've really got me intrigued. In which post or posts does the OP express this "want"?
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Chris Norse
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05-22-2009 14:39
From: Ponsonby Low One would think that if you want to claim the OP 'feels annointed', you'd have come to that view based on some particular remark or remarks that the OP made. But.......no? Your claims about How The OP Feels and What The OP Assumes aren't based on any particular remark or remarks that the OP made? ???
I can't speak for Meltia, but I got that "anointed" feeling from the OP when she first used the word "allow". All her following posts just reinforced this thought. Then when you pair it with the "agenda" of her partner in posting, what other conclusion could a reasonable person draw?
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Ian Nider
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05-22-2009 14:41
From: Ponsonby Low Now you've really got me intrigued. In which post or posts does the OP express this "want"? She/they/their group want censor and ban in SL.
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Chris Norse
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05-22-2009 14:43
From: Ponsonby Low Now you've really got me intrigued. In which post or posts does the OP express this "want"? She has talked repeatedly about "compromise" and "giving up just a little of our freedoms", how does she enforce this without the use of force? She has repeatedly connected RL behaviour and fantasy behaviour, saying that the former should mean the latter is banned. How does she enforce this except at the point of a gun? Does she come out and say "The thought police will kick down your door and drag you to a reeducation camp."? No, but if you read her posts you can see she would love that idea if you thought a way she didn't approve of.
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Jezebella Desmoulins
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05-22-2009 14:44
From: Shane Roxan so lets ban all violence in sl, meaning combat sims...
It's not really murder, but it's still violence! Let's ban it in mainstream movies, TV, and video games, too. Playing "Grand Theft Auto" should be punishable by consecutive life sentence for each virtual homicide you commit. /sarcasm How come insane levels of non-consensual violence completely acceptable in those contexts, yet roleplay BDSM consensual "violence" must be stopped at all costs?
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Macha Morigi
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05-22-2009 14:45
From: Shane Roxan Rock:
IIRC the UK still has bans on anal sex between consenting adults...
Nope, it's legal between consenting adults (over the age of 16) and has been since 1967. Until recently though, the age of consent for gay men to have anal sex was 21. There was a big campaign in the Nineties to reduce this to match the heterosexual age of consent for anal sex (16) but this wasn't passed until 2000. Now in good ol' Ireland, homosexual sex was banned until - wait for it - 1993. Ain't Wikipedia grand?
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Damien1 Thorne
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05-22-2009 14:45
From: Jezebella Desmoulins How come insane levels of non-consensual violence completely acceptable in those contexts, yet roleplay BDSM consensual "violence" must be stopped at all costs? Think of the children. 
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Lord Sullivan
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05-22-2009 14:45
From: Alix MacMoragh LOL - I will tell my minions (as soon as I have some!). The topic has come up: http://www.goreanforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=6172You might be interested in skimming that thread (it's not very long). Account-verification has come up more than a few times. However, saying "If I were Gor" is like saying "If I were SL". Sure there are a bunch of Gor sims, but the only connection is that they put the word "Gor" in their descriptions. There's no central authority. Nobody gives permissions or guidance. The gorean forums are great, but most people don't even know they exist. If I wanted to talk to everyone in Gor I don't know how I could do it. To answer your question, I haven't been following the debate. It seemed like something that would only affect the mainland. I'm not trying to play stupid or minimize what you said. I honestly don't know if it will make a difference to Gor. The change will affect just about everybody in one way or another. There is a good starting reference point here on the independent wiki http://www.slapt.me/wikiIts becoming a good starting point for those not wanting to plough through the masses of threads  Feel free to pass the url around and please have a read as private sims will be affected. It goes far beyond mainland.
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Brenda Connolly
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05-22-2009 14:46
From: Ian Nider She/they/their group want censor and ban in SL. The use of "Legislative Force".
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Shane Roxan
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05-22-2009 14:47
From: Jezebella Desmoulins Let's ban it in mainstream movies, TV, and video games, too. Playing "Grand Theft Auto" should be punishable by consecutive life sentence for each virtual homicide you commit.
/sarcasm
How come insane levels of non-consensual violence completely acceptable in those contexts, yet roleplay BDSM consensual "violence" must be stopped at all costs? Because it disturbs the op and others that consenting adults do it. Much like some get upset if a woman puts on a schoolgirl outfit... Or a person wears a furry avatar... Or a guy has sexual or even a loving relationship with another.. The list goes on It basically boils down to my dislike should be the moral ground stone for everyone.
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Chris Norse
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05-22-2009 14:47
From: Brenda Connolly The use of "Legislative Force". It still has a large man with a gun behind it, no matter how much you pretty it up.
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Brenda Connolly
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05-22-2009 14:47
From: Damien1 Thorne Think of the children.  Hey! You can't think of them THAT way! Stop it, or I'm reporting you.
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Ian Nider
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05-22-2009 14:48
From: Macha Morigi Nope, it's legal between consenting adults (over the age of 16) and has been since 1967. Until recently though, the age of consent for gay men to have anal sex was 21. There was a big campaign in the Nineties to reduce this to match the heterosexual age of consent for anal sex (16) but this wasn't passed until 2000. Now in good ol' Ireland, homosexual sex was banned until - wait for it - 1993. Ain't Wikipedia grand? It was banned in some quite harsh form in one state of Australia until the 90's too. Bloody mental.
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Brenda Connolly
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05-22-2009 14:49
From: Chris Norse It still has a large man with a gun behind it, no matter how much you pretty it up. Sometimes you don't even need that, just a nice smile and a teleprompter. 
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Ceka Cianci
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05-22-2009 14:56
i'm just wonder..do people really believe that pornography or violent videos would create people that would go out and do these things?
take a serial killer or serial rapist for example.. would signs show up early in life or after they have reached maturity and adulthood?
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Chris Norse
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05-22-2009 14:57
From: Ceka Cianci i'm just wonder..do people really believe that pornography or violent videos would create people that would go out and do these things?
take a serial killer or serial rapist for example.. would signs show up early in life or after they have reached maturity and adulthood? Unless recent studies have changed the consensus, signs show up quite early. Usually with the torture of small animals, setting of fires, and a few other behaviours.
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Pserendipity Daniels
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05-22-2009 14:59
From: Ceka Cianci i'm just wonder..do people really believe that pornography or violent videos would create people that would go out and do these things? take a serial killer or serial rapist for example.. would signs show up early in life or after they have reached maturity and adulthood? Since most British housewives think Eastenders is a documentary I wouldn't underestimate the copycat principle. Pep (If you couldn't imagine it in the first place then you wouldn't think of doing it, whatever it was.)
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