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He was not only aware, he endorsed content theft during the same IRC conversation:

19:06:48 jhurliman so someone is able to steal a furry outfit and learn how the creator built it. OH NOES LEARNING

The apology and action taken was insincere and insulting.

He was not only aware, he endorsed content theft during the same IRC conversation if the posted logs are true:

19:06:48 **** so someone is able to steal a furry outfit and learn how the creator built it. OH NOES LEARNING

The apology and action taken was insincere and insulting if this is the case.

That may be true, Seola, but we can HOLD THEM TO THEIR STATEMENT, and that's a start.

coco

Agreed and worthless i would add to that as well, which is why its important to bring these facts to the table in the one thread as if not these facts WILL get overlooked and so it will continue

That may be true, Seola, but we can HOLD THEM TO THEIR STATEMENT, and that's a start.

coco

Oh? Precisely HOW can we 'hold them to their statement' Coco?

It is indeed.

duplicity from the lib sl honcho?

http://atomw7.googlepages.com/home

the plot thickens

As i posted elswhere i went and had a look at the libsl website and i have posted a couple of links below which i believe shows the underlying current with libsl to use the programs they create to make them money on the side as well as getting a pat on the head from LL.

The first that came to my attention was the God mode hack which netted a cool $1000 dollars in sales:

http://www.libsecondlife.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=15

Nice going guys Which adds wieght to the claim that perhaps you were happy to release the copybot onto SLX whilst shouting loudly after the event we did not do it as it seems mighty suspect shortly after Baba placed this comment on your front page it was on sale:

http://www.libsecondlife.org/

"CopyBot is not a product that we sell or distribute. It’s a debugging tool and silly demo with a [now] obviously bad choice of name. Hopefully you won’t be seeing copy bot on SLex any time soon.."

Yeah right just like the God mode hack i suppose etc. etc.

The second thread that got my attention was

http://www.libsecondlife.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=36

and i take a point from the thread:

"* LL is glad to have us working on libsecondlife. They pointed out (and Cory later reiterated in http://www.secondlifeinsider.com/2006/08/19/slcc-keynote-speech-part-2-cory-ondreika/) that we have more people subscribed to the libsecondlife-dev mailing list than Linden Lab has paid developers. They see more value in working with us and encouraging us to explore areas they don't have to than trying to impede our progress and get in an arms-war with encryption, etc -- this is of course constrained by their general business with the sims and official client, as well as a (hopefully dwindling) number of sensitive area WRT exploits, etc

* "Everything will change" within the next few months -- LL wishes we had maybe started 3 months later and feels we may be wasting our time (but isn't telling us to stop)"

which shows me LLs has rolled over like a puppy with a "please dont hurt us" attitude to these hackers instead of placing resources in house to protect their platform. Makes me wonder after reading the site who is holding whose lead.

I sincerly hope that LLs reins libSL in, as tho i think its needed in the long term to advance SL to the platform LLs wants, i believe there are to many inflated egos amongst them and there lies the inherent problem with lots of wannabes jostling for LLs attention as we have seen with the recent projects that they have worked on and the way that they treat others that dare question their intelligence or motives in the forums or blogs.

Peace

LL will not call off or hold LIBSL responsible for its actions as LL has a few(or so its been rumored) lindens in the self same group. libsl has created content with LL blessings, and then when it blows up in thier faces, or, it gets "accidently leaked" that things like copybot or some other grid crashing "viewer" are being developed, they either had no idea, was not thier intention or my fave, aww come on it was a joke.

LL since then has been doin the CYA approach to the backlash regarding copy now that the media is involved. i strongly encourage anyone who was a victim of copybot to get in touch with these reporters and let them no the lindens are full of crap in thier responses.

just my 2.5 cents

http://www.libsecondlife.org/content/view/31/

http://forums.secondcitizen.com/showpost.php?p=87813&postcount=29

wait... i thought baba was out... and now the lib sl homepage announcement that he was out is conspicuously missing...

libsecondlife Reorganization
Written by John Hurliman ( Thursday, 16 November 2006 ) All of the existing project leaders are stepping away from the helm of libsecondlife. Some will continue to write code while others are moving on to other ventures. It's expected that a new management team will pick up the reigns soon. The project is definitely not dying, it's actually experiencing the largest influx of new developers the project has seen to date, so bear with us during these growing pains.

http://www.libsecondlife.org/

"CopyBot is not a product that we sell or distribute.

LL has stated the policy and will ban forever more anyone using the Copybot for purposes of stealing content.

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<Nimrod> What'd you do now?
<jhurliman> hey! came to ask you for something..
<Nimrod> lol, np
<jhurliman> so... how attached are you to the Nimrod Yaffle name in SL? heh.
<Nimrod> 2000% I denied it on SC because I didn't want the Lindens to make the link... well... see that I admit it at least
<jhurliman> really? hmm
<Nimrod> Yep, why?
<jhurliman> did you see the press about how the link has been made?
<Nimrod> How else would I have known you were banned before everyone else? lol
<Nimrod> oooo?
<Nimrod> Where?
<jhurliman> well i'm talking with adam and a few of the core libsecondlife guys and they need to escape from the bad PR situation in a serious way
<jhurliman> hold on i'll grab the link
<Nimrod> "Word on the grid is that Baba and his Bot-buddy Nimrod Yaffle are being frog-marched by the Lindens out the door -- that even our liberal lib-lubbin' Love-Machine loons have had enough."
<jhurliman> http://www.secondlifeherald.com/slh/2006/11/copybot_girl_ge.html#more
<Nimrod> aah, ok
<Nimrod> Oh yeah, I know they know it's me
<jhurliman> "Banned CopyBot Girl GeForce Go’s Identity Revealed?"
<jhurliman> ok
<Nimrod> I just thought that they made the link with you
<jhurliman> well, to save the libsecondlife group face i'll offer you a deal. since you are involved with the sale already, if you take the complete fall and claim ownership of Prim Revolution i can pay some financial damages for your name being damaged
<jhurliman> "Reports at the Second Citizen web site forums indicate that CopyBot salesgirl GeForce Go may have had an alternate identity - the well known nimrod Yaffle."
<Nimrod> Hmm, how much?
<jhurliman> $100 USD?
<Nimrod> eeehh lol
<Nimrod> I think you'd be ok though, nobody has suggested your connection yet
<jhurliman> well how about this. you don't know who prim revolution is, but you're pretty sure he's an old member of V5 but have no idea which
<Nimrod> Still with the money? lol
<jhurliman> sure, if you defend that story with honor
<Nimrod> Sure
<Nimrod> I can even name current V5 in SL to point fingers at
<jhurliman> great
<jhurliman> heh, we have a PR overlord working here, so he might set you up with some targeted forum topics to respond to, or a blog post to comment on with your story
<Nimrod> haha, ok
<Nimrod> Hmm, what do you make of this? http://www.secondlifeherald.com/slh/2006/11/baba_sucks.html
<jhurliman> you aren't getting kicked out by lindens, don't worry. but libsecondlife is going to make a blunt statement saying they had no connection whatsoever with anyone selling copybot
<Nimrod> Oh man, this just keeps getting better
<jhurliman> indeed
<Nimrod> haha, now Prok thinks I'm Baba
<Nimrod> [3:19] nimrod Yaffle: Am I Baba?
[3:20] Prokofy Neva: How can anyone tell? and you are as phony as a 3-dollar bill
[3:20] nimrod Yaffle: I'm *very* confused
[3:20] Prokofy Neva: oh knock it off
[3:20] Prokofy Neva: in the chat log
<jhurliman> oooh
<Nimrod> but the chat log says nothing... I don't get it?
<jhurliman> she means the one in the #libsl channel i believe
<Nimrod> Yeah, this:
<Nimrod> http://www.secondlifeherald.com/slh/2006/11/baba_sucks.html
<Nimrod> But I don't see a connection?
<Nimrod> who is cw?
<jhurliman> she is connecting the "free the prims!" mentality of GeForce Go with that same attitude by BabaYama
<Nimrod> oh
<jhurliman> an ESC employee
<Nimrod> ah
<Nimrod> Oh wow "Nov 10 19:03:04 BabaYama the bot should just teleport around to every sim stealing attachments and apperaances and storing them in folders" that's what I said too lol
<jhurliman> ahahaha
<Nimrod> Maybe if I could script or knew how to program I *might* see the connection prok is making... but i have NO idea what she's talking about... and she doesn't want to explain it
<jhurliman> baba can't script or program either
<Nimrod> oh
<Nimrod> well there ya go!
<jhurliman> haha, it works in her mind!
<Nimrod> lol
<Nimrod> she's asking who cw is
<Nimrod> like a name
<Nimrod> should I make one up?
<Nimrod> hey tester anvil is gone from the people list
<jhurliman> really? hm
<jhurliman> i don't even know his name... cw!
<Nimrod> haha
<Nimrod> [3:32] Prokofy Neva: yes but who is Prim the new alt of?
<Nimrod> lol, V5!
<jhurliman> testing anvil still shows in the list
<jhurliman> here you go
<jhurliman> * Prim Revolution was obviously an alt account, and it looks like it was an old member of the banned V5 group back for more
<Nimrod> Oh, I did tester
<jhurliman> that bullet point was forwarded to me
<Nimrod> K
<jhurliman> * Haven't heard from Prim since the ordeal, probably a dead account now
<jhurliman> if you're asked about the software itself at all you can say that the download link was taken down, otherwise no need to mention it
<Nimrod> K
<Nimrod> [3:35] Prokofy Neva: who is Prim>?
[3:35] Prokofy Neva: the alt of?
[3:35] nimrod Yaffle: Can't say, you have a habit of posting chat logs.
[3:35] Prokofy Neva: it doesn't matter
[3:35] Prokofy Neva: and i haven't posted any chat log of yours
<Nimrod> lol
<Nimrod> haha, now I'm just messing with her...
[3:35] Prokofy Neva: and i haven't posted any chat log of yours
[3:35] nimrod Yaffle: yet
[3:36] nimrod Yaffle: Wait
[3:36] nimrod Yaffle: if I'm Baba... then you did post a chat log of me
<jhurliman> feed her the V5 lead
<Nimrod> K
<Nimrod> You should join the "I love waffles" group
<Nimrod> Many V5 are in that group
<jhurliman> with prim? ok
<Nimrod> yeah
<Nimrod> er.. "waffle time"
<jhurliman> k
<jhurliman> did it
<jhurliman> did you tell her?
<Nimrod> cool
<Nimrod> Nope, I will in a bit
<jhurliman> ok
<Nimrod> [3:53] nimrod Yaffle: Did you know that 90% of the "Waffle Time" group are V5?
[3:53] nimrod Yaffle: What's funny, is that when I mentioned it to the Linden that's a member, he seemed confused and has no idea what I was talking about
<Nimrod> Maybe she'll make the connection?
<jhurliman> cool
<jhurliman> let her work for the clues
<Nimrod> yeah
<Nimrod> [3:57] Prokofy Neva: who's the office Linden in on this CopyBot stuff?
[3:58] nimrod Yaffle: What do you mean?
<jhurliman> no lindens knew about it until the general populace did
<Nimrod> ok
<Nimrod> Should I fight for Geforce with LL? That account didn't break any TOS
<jhurliman> i would just leave it dead, seriously
<Nimrod> ok
<jhurliman> it's not of any value, and you probably won't make many friends under that name
<Nimrod> lol, I had money on it
<jhurliman> oh really? is it banned right now?
<Nimrod> yeah
<Nimrod> they put it on hold
<Nimrod> then it said the account was disabled
<jhurliman> the hold will get released i'm thinking
<jhurliman> oh, hm.
<Nimrod> If anything, PRIM should be banned lol
<jhurliman> yeah you'd think
<Nimrod> I actually only used the bot once, and that was with the tester anvil
<jhurliman> they probably just looked at the land owner and left
<Nimrod> And I fifnd this interesting...
<Nimrod> /139/a0/148912/1.html
<Nimrod> Isn't there a no naming policy in the forums?
<jhurliman> yes, you can click the warning sign to report it
<Nimrod> yeah, I just searched the forums and reported all of them
<jhurliman> but it's kind of pointless since that post isn't going anywhere further
<jhurliman> nice
<Nimrod> I thought that about the account too
<Nimrod> I wonder if I can convince them to just give me the linden that was on it
<jhurliman> you might be able to, yeah
<jhurliman> since you didn't technically violate the ToS, and you stopped the activity once you were aware lindens were not in approval
<Nimrod> Who would I contact?
<jhurliman> you would probably have to call billing and get forwarded somewhere i guess
<Nimrod> Oh, bleh, ok
<Nimrod> Oohh, check Slinsider
<Nimrod> I like how they take the actions of one person for the whole group
<jhurliman> where at
<Nimrod> http://www.secondlifeinsider.com/
<jhurliman> yeah... ouch. that's why we're preparing a new direction
<Nimrod> "eanwhile Prim Revolution, who made the bot -- and was said to be related to the banned W-Hat and V-5 groups -- remained at large in SL, victory-dancing at the site of the already- sold CopyBot parcel."


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<jhurlima2> alright, thanks for the help. i am withdrawing my $ from SL right now and will have it whenever the paypal transaction finishes, i think that usually happens thursday or friday
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<jhurlima2> so i can paypal you then
<Nimrod> I don't have apaypay account
<Nimrod> *a paypal
<Nimrod> Can't you pay me with the Linden?
<Nimrod> Oh yeah, did Prim get the 3.5k for the sale of the parcel from the group land?
<jhurlima2> oh, yeah
<jhurlima2> no he didn't
<jhurlima2> well, i can go back and double-check the account history
<Nimrod> OK
<Nimrod> That'd pay for the account itself lol, but did you already sell the Linden?
<jhurlima2> i can send you lindens as soon as they move out to paypal and i can move $100 back in
<Nimrod> Ok, cool
=-= jhurlima2 is now known as jhurliman
<Nimrod> *sighs and prepares for the hate IMs*
<jhurliman> me too
<Nimrod> Oy, read this!
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[5:09] nimrod Yaffle: There's an object spamming me near my parcel '!quit' How do I report this if I can't find it?
[5:10] Data Linden: Hi, that's a harmless broadcaster, designed to disrupt the shareware copybot's activities. Well-intentioned, but already obsolete and very annoying. Go to chat history (Control-H), find the object's name in the dropdown list at the top, and click Mute.
[5:10] nimrod Yaffle: Yes I know
[5:10] nimrod Yaffle: I wish to report it though
[5:11] nimrod Yaffle: How would I find it to report it?
[5:12] nimrod Yaffle: Hello?
[5:12] Data Linden: Just mute it nimrod, it will be dealt with
[5:13] nimrod Yaffle: How can it be dealt with if you don't know where they exist?
[5:14] nimrod Yaffle: ?
[5:14] Data Linden: We have more then one way for deleting it
[5:15] nimrod Yaffle: Can't I just be able to find it somehow and IM the owner? That way LL doesn't even need to get involved
[5:18] nimrod Yaffle: I guess that's a no
[5:20] Data Linden: If you can find it you can file an abuse report against it
[5:20] nimrod Yaffle: [5:09] nimrod Yaffle: There's an object spamming me near my parcel '!quit' How do I report this if I can't find it?
[5:21] nimrod Yaffle: I believe I asked how to do that about 10 minutes ago
[5:23] nimrod Yaffle: Are you ignoring me now?
[5:28] nimrod Yaffle: Data
[5:28] nimrod Yaffle: ?
<jhurliman> heh, they are probably tired of that very quickly
<jhurliman> the !quit spammers
<Nimrod> Yeah, but there's no way for me to find what's IMing me?
<jhurliman> can you click Profile in the IM?
<jhurliman> or is it even an IM?
<Nimrod> No, it's chat spam
<Nimrod> LIke.... 4 messages a second
<Nimrod> Oh wtf: [5:30] nimrod Yaffle: Data? Hellp?
[5:30] nimrod Yaffle: *Hello?
[5:32] Second Life: Data Linden has left this session.
<Nimrod> O_O
<Nimrod> =-= YOU (Nimrod) have been booted from #secondlife by MRY-H96 (Banned)
<jhurliman> oh dang
<Nimrod> lol
<Nimrod> :-/
<Nimrod> I dunno if it's worth it, i guess it's too late though

"Nov 10 19:03:04 BabaYama the bot should just teleport around to every sim stealing attachments and apperaances and storing them in folders "

So, this is possible????!

I thought our appearances were safe?

I've been saying it the whole time and I'll say it again, just because LibSL didn't post the malicious code and you couldn't see it on YouTube, doesn't mean the coding couldn't or wasn't altered not to save the rest of things aside from prims.

I've watched it do it to me along with other in world resis, that the items were in the folder.

So - it can get the items in the box you have set out for sale? Or more accurately, at least one version can?

coco

Linden Lab is definatly blind as a dead batt i swear... THeir letting themselves get anal f***ed by a bunch of hackers.

nZone: Finally, did Linden Lab pursue an ESRB rating for Second Life? I would guess not, because it's not listed on the ESRB site nor does the Second Life page feature a rating logo, but I'm also not sure if it's warranted given the nature of the product. I wanted to verify, though, for the sake of the story.

CO: We haven't yet pursued an ESRB rating. Currently, we only allow in new residents who are 18 or older, so we assume that this would earn us an Mature rating. In the future, if we open Second Life to people 13–18, we would make sure our design would allow for a Teen rating, equivalent to The Sims Online.