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Phil Deakins
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11-26-2009 09:40
From: Scylla Rhiadra
No you're not. You're fighting with Pep. This entire thread is, from the very first posting, about Pep.

Please, Phil, just leave be.
No I won't leave it be. If you can turn a blind eye while someone cynically targets another person for harassment, alright, but I can't.

And please note that no thread is being derailed for a change.
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11-26-2009 09:44
From: Phil Deakins
I know that Rhonda removed some of her post contents but she didn't remove the posts - which would have been pointless because they'd already been quoted.
Search the forum for posts made by Rhonda with the word cancer in them.

The incident happened back in mid-Sept, yet the oldest post of Rhonda's that has 'cancer' in it is early Nov.

They are both guilty of deleting posts that give info on how the whole incident happened.
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11-26-2009 09:46
From: Phil Deakins
You wish. If you can't produce the evidence (a quote) it didn't happen, and I can tell you that it didn't happen.
From: Phil Deakins
No, that's not the issue, Pap. Your death is what we're talking about, and it's a very suitable topic for such a nice sunny day - all very pleasant . . . I prefer you to die by firing squad, because (1) I can be there to watch it, (2) lots of other interested people can be there to watch it,
Is that sufficient evidence of you expressing a wish that I should die?

Pep (You are obviously being overcome by the same sort of mental malaise as your poisonous protegee.)
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11-26-2009 09:47
From: Waterstar Eilde
Every teacher worth their salt will tell you that the thing the attention-seeking playground tease, clown, straight-out bully or sociopath hates most of all is being ignored. As difficult as it is to do, it's the only strategy that works time and again.



Waterstar beat me to it - and said it better than I could. Why people respond to attention seekers, giving them the attention they're looking for, baffles me.

I cringe everytime someone responds to the usual trolls on this forum.
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11-26-2009 09:48
if this thread becomes bothersome to a reader, that reader can choose to stop reading this thread.

and i think this thread is very much about Ignore vs Not to Ignore vs ARing and is very valid. the personal potshots aimed at inciting a reaction are simply giving topical examples of why these options are even being discussed.
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11-26-2009 09:49
From: LittleMe Jewell
Search the forum for posts made by Rhonda with the word cancer in them.

The incident happened back in mid-Sept, yet the oldest post of Rhonda's that has 'cancer' in it is early Nov.

They are both guilty of deleting posts that give info on how the whole incident happened.
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Lil, I repeat, I have *not* deleted one single post relating to this issue. At the time I noticed that Rhonda edited several posts, replacing text with a graphic, but the only quote I saw of her cancer wish post was quoted by Rio.

Pep (If you search for "clovering" in my posts you will find a bowdlerised version of Rhonda's original post.)
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11-26-2009 09:51
From: Pserendipity Daniels
Is that sufficient evidence of you expressing a wish that I should die?

Pep (You are obviously being overcome by the same sort of mental malaise as your poisonous protegee.)

he didn't wish for you to die. he simply said that when you do, this is how he'd like to see it played out, and that he would like to be witness. he did not wish you dead.
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11-26-2009 09:57
From: 3Ring Binder
if this thread becomes bothersome to a reader, that reader can choose to stop reading this thread.

and i think this thread is very much about Ignore vs Not to Ignore vs ARing and is very valid. the personal potshots aimed at inciting a reaction are simply giving topical examples of why these options are even being discussed.

The unhighlighted part of this quote below are those sections of the OP that do not contain direct, named attacks on Pep. The highlighted parts do.

This thread was a deliberate provocation. I'm sorry, Phil, there's no other way to see it.
From: Phil Deakins
There are times when putting someone on the ignore list is beneficial to a person, and sometimes to the forum as a whole. One such time was when I eventually put Colette on my ignore list (there was nobody else on it), and the forum noticably quietened down. Prior to that, it had been a hotbed of arguments. Me ignoring Colette was good for me and had a good effect on the forum as a whole.

But there can be times when putting someone on the ignore list can be bad for the forum as a whole. For the past few weeks, Pep has been coldy injecting poison into the forum in his crusade against Rhonda, and he continues to do it. Some people have suggested putting him on ignore, but what would that mean? It would mean simply allowing him to continue with the harrassment, without anyone saying anything against it. The result may be that another person is driven from the forum by the actions of one person, and I don't think that's very good.

Another option is to not respond to the poison, but that amounts to the same thing - allowing him to spread his harrassment with impunity.

A third option is to respond by pointing it out for what it is. But that has the effect of derailing threads, as we have seen, yet again, in a new thread today. It derails threads because it's exactly what he wants, and he responds with more of it - ad infinitum.

So, keeping quiet, either by using the ignore list, or by just not responding, allows him free reign to harrass another forum user for as long as he wishes, which appears to be permanently. On the other hand, responding in any way whatsoever gives him the opportunity to continue with it, which he likes. Either way, it's a win-win for him and a lose-lose for the forum as a whole.

He totally ignores everyone who suggests that enough is enough or asks him to stop. Other people's opinions mean nothing, however overwhelming they are.

If it bothers you, I suggest using the little red triangle icon at the bottom left of each of his 'poison' posts to report him for harrassing another forum user. Harrassment is one of the officailly stated reasons for reporting a post. I've done it twice so far, and I'll do it every time he injects his poison. With a bit of luck, something will be done to prevent him from continuing the harrassment.


If it doesn't bother you, remember that little story where, in the end, there was nobody left to speak for me.
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11-26-2009 09:57
From: 3Ring Binder
he didn't wish for you to die. he simply said that when you do, this is how he'd like to see it played out, and that he would like to be witness. he did not wish you dead.
Everybody dies in the end. Doctors have a 100% failure rate. Phil was expressing a wish for me to die prematurely by firing squad, rather than by the painful cancer which his protegee wished on me - although I seem to recall that she also suggested a pre-emptive bullet might be appropriate for me.

Pep (Of course both of them are suffering from virtual delusions, but both have expressed a wish to see me die; is that normal - I don't think so.)
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11-26-2009 09:59
From: Scylla Rhiadra
The unhighlighted part of this quote below are those sections of the OP that do not contain direct, named attacks on Pep. The highlighted parts do.

This thread was a deliberate provocation. I'm sorry, Phil, there's no other way to see it.
Yep, that's *real* harassment.

Pep (But don't worry, Scylla, Phil thinks that this sort of discriminatory action is doing a public service, and that it will divert me from posting elsewhere - FAIL!)
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11-26-2009 10:01
From: Scylla Rhiadra
The unhighlighted part of this quote below are those sections of the OP that do not contain direct, named attacks on Pep. The highlighted parts do.

This thread was a deliberate provocation. I'm sorry, Phil, there's no other way to see it.


I see it differently. So you're wrong, there are other ways to see it.
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11-26-2009 10:05
From: Love Hastings
I see it differently. So you're wrong, there are other ways to see it.
"I see no ships".

Pep (Read between those lines, dear.)
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11-26-2009 10:05
From: Pserendipity Daniels
Everybody dies in the end. Doctors have a 100% failure rate. Phil was expressing a wish for me to die prematurely by firing squad, rather than by the painful cancer which his protegee wished on me - although I seem to recall that she also suggested a pre-emptive bullet might be appropriate for me.

Pep (Of course both of them are suffering from virtual delusions, but both have expressed a wish to see me die; is that normal - I don't think so.)

nope. at no time did he mention he wished for you to die at any particular time. he did, however, request a particular method.
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11-26-2009 10:08
From: Scylla Rhiadra
The unhighlighted part of this quote below are those sections of the OP that do not contain direct, named attacks on Pep. The highlighted parts do.

This thread was a deliberate provocation. I'm sorry, Phil, there's no other way to see it.

nope. if fact, it was not a provocation at all. it was simply the purpose of the thread to begin with.

the subject? Ignore vs Not Ignore vs Ar
the example? Pep. he, of course, can be the ONLY example because he is the only one consistently trolling, harassing, stalking and inciting anger and reactions out of people.
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11-26-2009 10:10
*sigh*

Ok, well, fuck it. Have fun, then, kids. I'm gone.

How's that for "over emotional," Pep?
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Phil Deakins
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11-26-2009 10:11
From: Pserendipity Daniels
Is that sufficient evidence of you expressing a wish that I should die?

Pep (You are obviously being overcome by the same sort of mental malaise as your poisonous protegee.)
Sorry, but that won't do. You said that I wish death on you. Now quote where I wrote it, or zip it.

Out of interest, that quote was me expressing a preference as the way you would go and not a wish that you would actually go. English too hard for you?
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Phil Deakins
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11-26-2009 10:14
From: Pearl Clarity
Waterstar beat me to it - and said it better than I could. Why people respond to attention seekers, giving them the attention they're looking for, baffles me.

I cringe everytime someone responds to the usual trolls on this forum.
But this isn't the average attention seeking, Pearl. This is personal harrassment aimed at one idividual, and it's continuous. He may well be getting his rocks off on the attention it's bringing him, but it's not just the average attention seeking. He does that anyway, and nobody usually bats an eyelid.
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11-26-2009 10:14
From: Phil Deakins
Sorry, but that won't do. You said that I wish death on you. Now quote where I wrote it, or zip it.

Out of interest, that quote was me expressing a preference as the way you would go and not a wish that you would actually go. English too hard for you?


Trying not to respond directly is an uphill battle, isn't it?
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11-26-2009 10:18
From: Scylla Rhiadra
The unhighlighted part of this quote below are those sections of the OP that do not contain direct, named attacks on Pep. The highlighted parts do.

This thread was a deliberate provocation. I'm sorry, Phil, there's no other way to see it.
Oh it was written about Pep - specifically how to deal with his current behaviour towards Rhonda. People keep suggesting putting him on ignore, for instance, but that would leave him free to continue his harrassment of her with impunity. It's not in me to abandon someone in such circumstances - hence this thread. That's what this thread is about - the various options of dealing with Pep, and my thoughts on them.
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11-26-2009 10:20
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Trying not to respond directly is an uphill battle, isn't it?
:) But the topic is different (he's not harrassing me) - and I hadn't read the posts of other people who explained it to him.
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11-26-2009 10:21
If no one reads or responds to the idiot's posts, then it doesn't really matter what it writes, does it?
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11-26-2009 10:24
From: Milla Janick
If no one reads or responds to the idiot's posts, then it doesn't really matter what it writes, does it?
That's the whole point, Milla. It does matter what he writes when he continues his harrassment of one particular person. If nobody responds, then, sure enough, some people will get the impression that what he writes is true. To be honest, I wouldn't like to be targetted in that way without anyone objecting to it.
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11-26-2009 10:27
From: Milla Janick
If no one reads or responds to the idiot's posts, then it doesn't really matter what it writes, does it?


Beaten to it, again...!
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11-26-2009 10:29
From: Pserendipity Daniels
Pep (And she has poisoned *you* into wishing death on others as well; proving my point rather well. :p )

From: Phil Deakins
You wish. If you can't produce the evidence (a quote) it didn't happen, and I can tell you that it didn't happen.

From: 3Ring Binder
he did, however, request a particular method.

You should co-ordinate your protestations better guys.

Pep (You are making my arguments for me. :cool: )
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11-26-2009 10:31
From: Scylla Rhiadra
*sigh*

Ok, well, clover it. Have fun, then, kids. I'm gone.

How's that for "over emotional," Pep?
Seems like an entirely rational response for a change.

Pep (You're learning.)
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