Bots?

I can't explain it. My understanding is, as Tegg said, 5 a/cs per email, and a maximum of 2 new a/cs per day. I haven't had any problems with it.

I should have read the TOS myself before asking the question.

The TOS does not allow an infinite amount of accounts per person. The TOS, in bold, specify that "Account registrations are limited per unique person. Transfers of accounts are generally not permitted."

I understand that Linden Labs may have automated part of its enforcement under these TOS. One method of enforcement is an automated mechanism that rejects automatically an attempt to register a sixth account to the same e-mail.

Does this automated system not check other identifiying information? For example, whenever you register an account, you have to provide your real name and real address. Does Linden Labs not cross-check this information? There is no system of checking when the exact same real name and real address are shared among multiple e-mail accounts?

Because it is possible to gain infinite accounts through using different e-mails doesn't mean that it's allowed by the TOS.

The TOS state:

"2.4 Account registrations are limited per unique person. Transfers of accounts are generally not permitted.

"Linden Lab may require you to submit an indication of unique identity in the account registration process; e.g. credit card or other payment information, or SMS message code or other information requested by Linden Lab. When an account is created, the information given for the account must match the address, phone number, and/or other unique identifier information associated with the identification method. You may register multiple accounts per identification method only at Linden Lab's sole discretion. A single account may be used by a single legal entity at Linden Lab's sole discretion and subject to Linden Lab's requirements. Additional accounts beyond the first account per unique user may be subject to fees upon account creation. You may not transfer your Account to any third party without the prior written consent of Linden Lab; notwithstanding the foregoing, Linden Lab will not unreasonably withhold consent to the transfer of an Account in good standing by operation of valid written will to a single natural person, provided that proper notice and documentation are delivered as requested by Linden Lab."

I would sai: how the heck you know the opposite! Since you are telling me: please logoff because your sleeping av is cousing (even minor) trouble.



Please point the relevant Linden quote that my sleeping av may causes [ANY SORT] trouble.



It's not the number of resident logged in, it's what the residents are doing to load the asset server, plus the current condition of the database (that is not something static). So you may have an asset server failure with just 10000 resident that are upping dozen of tga's at the same time, while you may have a smoothly experience with 60000 concurrent av logged. The packet handshaking (that is almost the only thing that happens when you leave your av in a place without doing anything) is not relevant, it's just bandwidth, the rest is already cached, and the bandwidth is not the issue here, the asset database server queries are. They (occasionally) close the login not to limit the numer of av logged in, but to limit the *potential* loading of the asset database, because *after* you logged in, you gonna load your inventory and you gonna "do" anything else (creating etc.). They may leaves the login open but shutting down the asset server connection and it will reprise in the same way, but it's more logical to close the login instead, because without the asset server you can't do much apart "sleeping" (infact during these problems, the residents that remains in aren't able to use the asset server)... and.. (here comes the conclusion) we are just talking about !UH! Sleeping!

However I half decided to stop my contributions to this thread, I have to say that Vittorio in that last posting described exactly where the current problems are. Technically correct. Whatever system they are using, the facts that are mentioned in this posts pretty much make sense

Vittorio and Marcel:

There are people in this forum who simply don't want to know what causes things to go wrong. They *want* it to be their pet hate, and they argue that black is white to try and persuade other people. You can put all the common sense possible in front of them, and you'll never get through to them, because they don't want it to be so. And then there are those who argue because they enjoy keeping things going. You're banging your head against a brick wall.

When this thread is over, and another one starts, they'll be back saying the same old things, because that's what they want it to be.

Unfortunately i have the (bad?) attitude to not give up and ignore what ppl say, if i believe they are wrong (and in most case they are "so wrong" that im disoriented while facing em, and i repeat myself: "how's possible?????", because i believe that if you leave the "ignorance" propagate without saying anything u won't have a better world tomorrow.
It's not altruism, but the opposite (i'm honest), since i'm forced to live in this world and my life depends also by other ppl decisions (it's valid both on SL and in RL), i must be sure that those other ppl does actually have a (working) brain.

LOL. Some people here have one, but it does seem like some people don't, and those are the ones who you cannot get through to. They will argue that black is white before allowing their brains to work as they should.

i like red myself

I forgot to add to my previous post:-

And then there are those who just keep things going because that's what they enjoy doing.

You accept all sides of a discussion then

no..cause i'm Apache..it's always black and white..never red..i'm the underdog lol

just being playful hehehe

There won't be a better world tomorrow in this forum. Too many people here won't allow it because they don't want it. You've seen it in this thread. More than once it was said, "show me where LL said that something is ok". You rightly pointed out that LL doesn't make those statements - they make statements when something is *not* ok. Did you see any of them saying something like, "yes, you are right"? Of course you didn't - because they ignore parts of posts that are really sensible when they don't have an answer that fits their desires. I was effectively called a liar, simply because the other person didn't want to accept that something happened. You can't get through to these people, because they refuse to allow it, regardless of how much good sense you write. They don't want to know what causes the database problems. All they want to do is blame bots - and sleeping avs.

The TOS only say that they are limited, it does specify a number. While from a strictly semantic point this means that the number of accounts one person can have is not infinite, the practical effect is that the TOS do not impose any restrictions on the actual number of accounts a person may have.

Linden Lab is not very good at promulgating any policy it has about specific limitations on numbers of accounts. To this day it still has the misinformation regarding having to pay for additional basic accounts published on its website regarding membership plans.

Vague policies are certainly a hallmark of Linden Labs.

That leaves unanswered my question though, for those who have obtained more than five accounts using different e-mail addresses. To do so, does one have to enter different personal information (real life identifying information) for each different e-mail, or can one enter the exact same personal information for each separate e-mail address?

Look its basic manners-

If you are logged on at a time when others can't get on, and you are done using the service, log off.

Geez what do they teach people nowadays.

No, your Av logged on and "sleeping" isn't using the service.

Your Av is a fictional construct made up of 1's and 0's, Second Life is an adult's playground. Your AV is a *TOY*.

When you are done playing, put your toys away.




(**thanks Woody for the awesome quote)

It's what i am trying to TEACH (yes: teach) you by 3 messages already, my "sleeping" AV is connected but im using just bandwidth, the service interruptions are not caused of the bandiwidth usage but the "working on" the asset server, and while i am sleeping im not loading (or overloading) the asset server, if i leave my avs logged out the asset server will continue to fail... with or without me, because (and this is the 4th time i repeat it): im not the cause of the problem.
My english may suks, but since the rest of the forum is capable to understand what i'm typing, then there must be a problem just with you.
Explain me what you didn't undestand, what are your doubts, what's the reason why you insists to "force" me to do something that wouldn't help to solve the problem anyway, and i may understand your reasons.
I give you some valid arguments:

- You are sleeping, but your PC is using power, so you are contribute to the general world pollution;
- You are sleeping, but your PC is using bandwidth, so you are slowing down other ppl on your ISP to download pr0n on internet;
- You are sleeping, but leaving your av sleeping with your virtual partner, make me jelaus because i just have a rubber prim to sleep with.

These, with some else would be valid argument, but *NOT*: your connected av is increasing the problems of second life, because IT IS NOT.

Insists on your line when you are obvisously wrong, don't make you automagically right: you still wrong.

Looking at the "basic manners" doesn't mean you have to ignore how the it works, if you don't know, sit down and learn... because if the mechanic tells you to change these damn wheels because they are sleek and you risk to go offroad at the first corner, you MUST go to change your wheels, you don't change the brake pedal or your rear mirror, otherwise you'll be dangerous for you and for the others! This would be stupid.

I can answer that. It's a game to her. She isn't interested it the way SL works, and she's not even interested in the topic of the discussion. She's only interested in playing with you - bringing out your emotions - stirring it up all the time. It's what she enjoys doing - she's a troll. You can never win an argument with her because she's not interested in the subject matter. She just goes on and on and on, stirring it up all the time - playing with you to bring out your emotions. She appears to be stupid, but she's not. She knows exactly what she is doing, and she enjoys doing it. She understands perfectly well what you have been saying - she may even agree with it - but she won't agree with it in a post because that would stop her fun. You are having a one-sided discussion because only you are interested in the topic. Her objective in the discussion is very different to yours.

Put her on ignore - some people here think that's the best thing to do with her.

Ah, gotcha. But well the thread still interesting, since by these errors other ppl may learn how the system it is supposed to works.
For my emotions.. lol.. i'm a programmer, i don't really reply "emotional", you show to me a problem i give you the code, if you reply with the same problem, i'll reply to you with the same code, i'm more "robotical", and i can do it in a infinite loop.
My replies in this thread aren't really aimed to Colette, i'm aimed to show the whole rest of users that what she typed (in this thread) is totally wrong.
At this point i think, it's evident, so my function here is near to the end, since i've reached that target.

Most people here seem to understand the difference between active avs and non-active avs, and their relative effects on the system.

I'm a programmer too (was), but I'm also emotional. She used to follow me round the forum when she wanted to play with me, and I used to get involved - tried to explain things to her etc., and we had some arguments. But a couple of months ago I put her on ignore, and I haven't seen anything she's written since then, except when someone quotes it. For a few days after that, she posted right after me in various threads, but she must have given up because I couldn't read the posts and I didn't respond. I've never been tempted to take her off ignore, because I know I'd be too tempted to respond to her

Phil

Your opinion of me is really unimportant, but if you are going to attack me in posts at least have the nerve to talk to me directly.

Or else talk about me behind my back in IMs.

It is extremely childish to go on post after post about someone as if they cant see what you are saying.

Second Life uses some resources whenever an Avatar is attached to the grid. Whether they are idle or not.

Second Life needs to know where your Avatar is at all times - "Presence" which is related to your "friends online" ability. An ability that often fails during problems times.

In addition whatever basic information that SL has to send to every idle avatar is still sent to you if you are logged on.

I have not ever said that a trafficbot or an idle Avatar uses up as many resources as an active participant - but for you to claim they use *none* is ridiculous.

Mine is off when not using it, but I guess there is some power draw from it being plugged in.


Again mine is off when not being used.


LOL! At least you don't have to buy it breakfast in the morning.

Marcel, I want my sister back. I will hunt you down and make you pay until I do.

I'll quote this so the self-congratulatory brothers get a chance to see it

I'd have quoted it too, but apparently I'm not worthy

Darn it!

My english is not good enough to understand it I guess, een the translation of self-congratulatory did not make sense. But as far as I know there is only 1 person stating he muted Colette so who is the brother