Bye Bye Traffic Bots/Camping

yes, you need to clarify your statements better and not mislead the public......especially if you're pointing fingers at groups of people and their methods!

You can't live on a theory....the reality is what is now, the tools that LL provide, the TOS, the operating platform we have, the market conditions....you optimise it as best you can to maximise your own sales. If you're not serious about generating sales, then you can remain in the "Social Club" and not worry about things too much!

You need to clarify that statement better.
Are you advocating that people 'mislead the public' by using traffic bots and campers in order to give a dishonest impression of actual interest and activity in the place?
To clarify "actual interest and activity" - I mean avatars such as the searcher who are looking for something and are led to believe that such traffic is in search of much the same thing.

I learnt that fact at a very young age working as a trainee accountant. The businesses that did everything by the book were the first to shut down in a tough economic enviroment. The ones that operated in that "grey" area ended up surviving and becoming successful. Morally it was hard to deal with!

Let's also not conflate new search with old search. No one here is advocating the use of bots to inflate traffic. Hence the joyful title of this thread, Bye Bye Traffic Bots/Camping.

Correct.....and when that day comes, the people that are serious about their SL businesses will make that adjustment accordingly.

Very true!
This also goes back to my comment regarding the fashion industry and how to do a degree it's manipulated and rigged in favour of old or popular brand names.

Have you read this whole thread?

If you have, you'll know my position is similar to that of the OP & Marcel.....in that we would all like to see Traffic counted differently and see the end of the traffic & camping bots. My position has not changed several pages later!

I prefer not to use Bots, even though it would be to my benefit in terms of sales. My direct competitors choose to do so.....good luck to them and i'm not going to condemn them for that (many of them make excellent products). It is what it is...people will try to max out on optimisation. I have far greater concerns like :

- content theft
- blatent copying
- using your company name in their advertising or Land description
- ranking highly in ALL or Classifieds or Places for certain products that they don't even produce or sell!

The new search doesn't end the concept of traffic bots, it just means the end of the current incarnation of them.

There's at least one current way the new search could be targetted by bots by working along the same lines as the "comment spam" bots on the web.

Elaborate?

As many have told you before, there will never be a perfect Search system no matter how you tweak it.

The old Search still contains land parcels with spaces or exclaimation marks before it's Name,... before you could cut dozens of 16sq/m parcels and list all keywords in them. The more land you had control over, the more it could be manipulated.

You can change Places Search to alphabetic listings.....and you'll witness a glut of renaming of parcels to "AAAAAAAAXYZ company".

There is no perfect way!

OK.
I understand your position.
You expect me to interpret the meaning of your postings based on your previous postings.
You expect my individual postings to be stand-alone comprehensive statements that should contain all clarifications required so as to not mislead the public.

I'll bear that in mind.

Well yes....you're the one taking the moral high ground and casting stones on certain practices (the words you used were "dishonest" and "evil" in several of your posts)

We agree in principal over the same discussion point....let's get rid of camping bots! Unlike you though, i prefer not to be so pretenious and up my own ass!

You can get Phil to explain it to you, he's using the basic "technique" in various ways, although not quite in bot form.

I agree, you can't solve the problem from a technological point of view, but you can quite easily punish the behaviour instead by delisting those who just can't help themselves.

"Unlike you though, i prefer not to be so pretenious and up my own ass!"

You just prefer to be gratuitously insulting.
OK.

Yes, but the point of this thread is to discuss what changes should be made to the platform.

The point of this thread was to announce the imminent departure of traffic bots and traffic camping.

And yet they both still exist.

It was announcing their impending doom... which has since been thwarted.

I disagree with your last point. If for example my immediate competitors are using traffic bots but using the exact keywords for the products that they sell in their mainstore.....i don't see this as misleading or cheating. I know for a fact that most of them create good products and ultimately attract more traffic than I do through the use of "Places Search".....but thats ok, i have the option to do likewise, but i choose not to. They are just using the tools allowed to get a higher position than me.

If however there were a Sex establishment and advertising products similar to mine, but they don't actually sell any of those keyword products at their location.....then i would be pissed! That's false advertising in my books and real gaming!

Look, if anyone should be pissed about camping bots, then it should be me....i'm probably losing potential sales on a daily basis because of my low rankings in traffic. If you tally that up for any given month, those amounts might be significant. Your gripe seems to be from a customers point of view...you probably want to source a "animated furry cat" or soemthing.. as quickly as possible, so you prefer existing Places search as oppposed to using new ALL search.

One of the main reasons why i'm against Camping bots is that the other losers are real AV campers (Noobs mainly) They lose the chance of making cash to buy those basic SL essentials...this money invariably gets re-cycled back into the economy. Of course this also is also gamed with mulitple ALTS (chinese farming). I have 3 camping spots in total across 2 different commerical plots, but i created a camping group that has real AV's. I know they are all happy about earning extra cash to use in SL.

Sure I accuse you of things, not falsely, that is not insult - go look up the different between accusation and insult.

Let me spell it out:

You are a self confessed traffic cheat and bot camper.

The search is being changed to make it (allegedly) harder for people like you to cheat (ie. People like you forced the change).

You are part of the problem regardless of whether you started your dishonest tactics before or after the decision to change the search. Its at least guilt by association if nothing else.

The Lindens obviously don't think traffic cheating is fine otherwise they would not be removing traffic, they would pat you and your kind on the back and showcase you (hahhahaha).

I'd like to take you on a tour of your belittling and bullying behaviour of this thread alone. That is what I said - belittling and bullying - I did not even mention insults. Go back and read properly.

In the meantime here is just what I came up with before I even posted: -

Post 146 in reply to Yumi Murakami:


Belittling and bullying attitude.

Next up in Post 179, again in response to Yumi:


Again, same belittling tone,

Now we get to downright insulting at post 197 towards Sling Trebuchet



We have the whole lot in this post at 241 in response to Kitty Barnet, insults (Bloody Selfish), belittling and bullying..


An lastly a short extract from the post at 249:-



Accusation, gee isn't that what you don't like Phil?

I repeat all this was before I posted here.

Apology accepted Marcel about the name. If you jump into the middle of this you should expect to get hit by what's flying around.

I also recall things quite differently in other threads, some of which are nothing to do with botting. One notable example was in a thread where he was belittling "most if not every" woman and there have been many cases since then.

I didn't expect respect for what I said, I said it because I felt it needed to be said and it's probably what a lot of people have been thinking...especially those he loves to belittle. I even started mildy and only when faced with classic Phil's abusive reaction did I intensify my comments.

Ah yes, but the difference is that I don't invent things, whereas you do. You had no idea what you were talking about, and yet you piled in with a false accusation. It's no good trying to worm your way out of it later, because the words you wrote are still there and speak for themselves. You see, you're not capable of recognising when someone is being argumentative for the sake of it, as Yumi was at that point. You're not capable of recognising when someone like Sling is throwing some mud around just for fun. You don't know about the dialogue with Kitty. You just don't know enough to know these things. You don't even recognise a false accusation when it bites you in the ass. You're just here to be troublesome, to stir, to throw mud, and to troll. You say I'm part of the problem, but what problem? I see no problem. You should go back to bed. It's much better for you there - no brain needed there

You see what I mean about your lack of intelligence? You don't understand the words "many, perhaps most"? (not "most if not every" - you don't have much of a memory, do you lol). You said it dearie LMAO!!!

But hey. Let me set you straight. If you attack me, I'll attack you back. That's the way it is, and that's the way it's always been with me here. Take it or leave it, but don't expect to win anything.

I'll tell what. I have a great idea for you. Put me on ignore, and then you won't have to read anything I write, since you don't seem to like any of it. I would if I were you.

OK I misquoted you slightly but there is little difference between the two language wise and your comments in that thread left little doubt as to how you feel about women in general and what you were meaning.
You cannot set anyone straight Phil, least of all yourself. I'll do as I want - not what the Great and Almight Bully Phil tells me to do thank you very much.