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Annabelle Babii
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03-23-2008 11:29
From: Gordon Wendt
he'll reincarnate as a snail, slow, slimy and absolutely powerless.


you forgot "tasty"

Anyone have any butter?
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Colette Meiji
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03-23-2008 11:30
From: 3Ring Binder

once again, it all comes down to money. humans are savage. i don't know why we pretend to be otherwise.


Going with your Description I would be agreeing they are savage and saying it would be nice if they weren't.

While contrary to this there are:

1. trafficbot runners would be admitting they are Savage but saying its a dog eat dog world out there and they have little choice.

2. People like Phil are saying they aren't Savage and are actually a civilizing influence.



Now people are not reading very well if they think I have argued that trafficbot runners should be made to stop.

I have simply been saying the people in the #2 group are full of it.
Snowman Jiminy
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03-23-2008 13:18
For every organized bot-ridden parcel there are a 1000 potential content creators that cannot get exposure on fair terms.

Any content creators out there that remember making their first sale? That pleasure, the pleasure of creating and getting recognition that someone is prepared to part with $Ls to get a copy of new content, is denied to thousands of people because of bots.
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03-23-2008 13:23
Well said snow.
3Ring Binder
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03-23-2008 13:26
Collette, my only disagreement with your last post is your reference to not having any choice. we ALWAYS have a choice.

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Lillyann, in respect to your posting.... i know what you are trying to say, and i agree that not shopping at places that host campbots in ridiculous amounts is a great first start to getting control over the grid. but most people won't do that. i don't shop anywhere that has more than 4000 or so traffic... unless i am really trying hard to find something and those are the last resorts. but i've been around awhile, and i know the havoc areas with lots of green dots does to my SL experience. noobs are not yet that trained.

as far as hiding the bots... i totally disagree. they are not hidden. they appear on the map. i appreciate them being far up in the sky, so at least they don't cause as much lag as they could if they were lower. but i don't think the bot runners think they are fooling anyone. if they do, they themselves are the fools.
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Tegg Bode
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03-23-2008 15:50
From: 3Ring Binder
Collette, my only disagreement with your last post is your reference to not having any choice. we ALWAYS have a choice.
Lillyann, in respect to your posting.... i know what you are trying to say, and i agree that not shopping at places that host campbots in ridiculous amounts is a great first start to getting control over the grid. but most people won't do that. i don't shop anywhere that has more than 4000 or so traffic... unless i am really trying hard to find something and those are the last resorts. but i've been around awhile, and i know the havoc areas with lots of green dots does to my SL experience. noobs are not yet that trained.
as far as hiding the bots... i totally disagree. they are not hidden. they appear on the map. i appreciate them being far up in the sky, so at least they don't cause as much lag as they could if they were lower. but i don't think the bot runners think they are fooling anyone. if they do, they themselves are the fools.
It seems not everyone leaves the minimap up on their screen all the time :)
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Usagi Musashi
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03-23-2008 20:43
From: someone
My view is that SL isn't a game, simply because of the RL commercial aspect if nothing else.



As said earlier Bots can be use for a reasonal purpose. But I have a better Idea put paid ads on the bots from paying commerial island that exist allready and place them all over Sl. The let them teleport freely like. HEhehehheh That a great way for LLABS get get even more money from those people. Instead of giving us less service.
Damien1 Thorne
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03-23-2008 20:45
From: Usagi Musashi
As said earlier Bots can be use for a reasonal purpose. But I have a better Idea put paid ads on the bots from paying commerial island that exist allready and place them all over Sl. The let them teleport freely like. HEhehehheh That a great way for LLABS get get even more money from those people. Instead of giving us less service.

Then everyone will have to put up banlines to keep adbots from constantly visiting.
3Ring Binder
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03-23-2008 20:47
From: Tegg Bode
It seems not everyone leaves the minimap up on their screen all the time :)

true dat.

i'm wondering... how many of us uses the main map to calculate potential lag?

i use the main map a lot. when i search something, i almost always view the map prior to teleportation. i say almost, because sometimes i am in a hurry, or just plain forget. lots of green dots is surely a lagmonster, so i try to avoid that as much as possible.
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Tegg Bode
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03-24-2008 01:01
From: Damien1 Thorne
Then everyone will have to put up banlines to keep adbots from constantly visiting.
Damn there's an idea for the Adfarmers next, avatars wearing temprezzers and rotating signs wandering the grid or camping and lagging in your sim till you pay up for them to go elsewhere
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Usagi Musashi
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03-24-2008 03:54
From: Damien1 Thorne
Then everyone will have to put up banlines to keep adbots from constantly visiting.


Well think about :) The are basically LLABS allowed. So why not. Those islands do pay much more then most do on sl.....Think about..eample a Beer company has a sexy avie teleporting in and out of sims ( which allows Ad containt ). If land owners allow ad drvien bots on their land They get some sort of bonus........
Lindal Kidd
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03-24-2008 07:58
From: Usagi Musashi
Well think about :) The are basically LLABS allowed. So why not. Those islands do pay much more then most do on sl.....Think about..eample a Beer company has a sexy avie teleporting in and out of sims ( which allows Ad containt ). If land owners allow ad drvien bots on their land They get some sort of bonus........


/me stares in horror.

OMG. You'd have places clogged with Beautiful Avatars spouting jingles for toothpaste, Ben&Jerry's, Chevrolet, Gillette, and Depends? You are an evil, evil, evil person.
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Usagi Musashi
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03-24-2008 08:15
From: Lindal Kidd
/me stares in horror.

OMG. You'd have places clogged with Beautiful Avatars spouting jingles for toothpaste, Ben&Jerry's, Chevrolet, Gillette, and Depends? You are an evil, evil, evil person.



My point is if we are stuck with al these bots atleast put them to some good. ANd if land owners "of those bots landing on otehr people land ) have LLABS offenthen a bonus for times the land on said land ). Given the land owners the option of allowing or not allowing them. they can key them ( avies, and Bot )to read land Pref if they are allowed or not. wearing the outfits of the sponcers is no big deal ) Just don`t allow them to use sound bites.


Usagi
Lindal Kidd
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03-24-2008 08:24
From: Usagi Musashi
My point is if we are stuck with al these bots atleast put them to some good. ANd if land owners "of those bots landing on otehr people land ) have LLABS offenthen a bonus for times the land on said land ). Given the land owners the option of allowing or not allowing them. they can key them ( avies, and Bot )to read land Pref if they are allowed or not. wearing the outfits of the sponcers is no big deal ) Just don`t allow them to use sound bites.


Usagi


Hell, Usagi, if they can wear the T shirt, we may as well let them do the sound bites too. *sigh* Now that you've brought it up, it's only a matter of time.
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03-24-2008 09:19
From: Lindal Kidd
Hell, Usagi, if they can wear the T shirt, we may as well let them do the sound bites too. *sigh* Now that you've brought it up, it's only a matter of time.

Bot advertising is well under way in the most efficient way possible. There are already default-avatar and glamour bots idling in the various welcome areas. They belong to a group or two, and spam relatively newly minted accounts with notecards and landmarks. Drop a landmark on anyone recently arrived to SL and there's a very good chance they'll soon vanish, either out of curiosity or by just hitting the wrong button/key.

Getting people to a heavily branded area before they learn anything about the world makes a very strong impression. Much stronger than saying/shouting text that will just scroll by and vanish in 15 seconds. A custom avatar or signs will have a low chance of being looked at or, depending on server and client stress, even loaded. Sounds suffer from the same issue - again, far more efficient and dependable to send an inventory item.

Even if the target new resident avoids paying attention right away, guess what? They'll keep the item in inventory, and one day, what's this? (Hint: another potential sucker.)

For advertising purposes, firing bots around the landscape just isn't reasonable. It eats up too much bandwidth, attracts too much negative (administrative) attention, and nothing makes even a stable client lose connection like crossing an iffy sim boundary. Much more efficient to just spam the newbies. And if that adds to the ongoing customer retention problems? Eh well. If SL goes under there's plenty of MMOs in the sea.
Usagi Musashi
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03-24-2008 09:31
Well those commerical islands do have their Budgets( it is cost effect in advertizing cost ) and BW for them is not a worry...... I am not refering to the body and shape shopes like ........that put live models ( But i sure love seein gthose live models) But that of what "Ben&Jerry's, etc etc etc etc" these people are big players on sl and have rl business that spans the globe........Those guys could put those Teleporting ad driven bots to pop in to every sim/island that allows it ( then kick backs to those sim/island owns each time they appear as a bonus for doing so..... showcasing their products and why not. Bots to many are a everyday thing now. And LLABs is not doing a thing to stop them. I dislike them as much as otehr common people here. But bicthing abiut it as you say isnt going to change LLABS mind. Oh if those feel they can change the SL world by saying " IF WE BITCH LOUD ENOUGH" well look at ad farms and how much LLABS cleaned up wat % well not eough fr people like myself that travel around alot to take notice.......as Snark said it indeed is enbed inour lives now regaurdless if we like it or not.

thanks for reading

Usagi
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