Bot Annihalation

HooooOOOOooooo! /me makes t'shirts for the posse to wear.

One or 2 are fair enough but when people use the sims resident capacity or let 100's loose on the grid hammering the servers as they TP in and out before they even rez, it's just blatant cheating and sabotage of the SL grid, and these people don't care because the only reason they login is to transfer money, they don't contribute to building SL or enhancing the experience.

Awesome, I'll wear my best hunting hair

Moving money is part of SL. It's what makes the economy function, just like in RL. Not my thing, but it takes all sorts to make a village. We have passed beyond the point of quirky geekieness that made SL so attractive at first. Now it is a wide open (and fairly unregulated) environment in which hungry sharks are swimming. I am a clown fish

But running bots is only for those look to make money off people giving away money..........for many.......well some say its the way the game is now. But many say its just a lazy way to boost traffic and it is.......abusing the game in this fashion doesnt given any positive meaning.......sayin gthe lack useage of resources for making money is no pardon.......

Maybe he trying to say body and skin makers can use real models to show off creations...... that I understand

Or role players that need the extra agents.........This is understabable

Lol, yes but if being a resident is just working a spreadsheet, you really aren't a resident IMO.

I DID say "it doesn't work that way IF...". Please don't skip words. Yes, I've had traffic bot herds shut down recently despite your little statement. Yes, they were affecting the region/neighboring regions performance. Ironically, 2 of them were low prim furniture places (yw-I'll take my fee in L$ plz). All joking aside, if your little gaggle of waterheads is only a handfull in number, or doesn't negatively affect sim performances (including child agent burden on bordering regions) then have fun with that. I'm no crusader... I just hate idiots who are too stupid to know what "too much/too many" means, or too selfish to care.

As far as your written statement goes... It's about as meaningful as the grey area statement from any other linden who's had to backpedal or been overridden (think casino). What you got was a right to run bots opinion, but it's only good up to a certain point. The fact that botfests have been filed on and shut down after you got your statement proves it's not a blank signed check.

Hmm, I won't be able to bring my bees...

Can I pee on them?

Putting 20 to 50 bots in a ground, or sky doesnt help the game in a pos form. Oh it will help boost the traffic for "said" bot runners. But frankly speaking if their "goods" as they say were any good they wouldnt have to use bots would they?

I'd have to agree, and I think its terribly irresponsible for LL to act in this manner - which seems to be pretty much standard operating procedure of late.

They should have thorough and consistent policies not only with us the residents, but ESPECIALLY in house.

Sorry people. I was busy, and now I'm away to bed, being as it going up to 4 a.m.

I've said all I want to say anyway, so there's no point in replying to the later posts. If you think it's cheating, then for you it is cheating. Simple.

I'll reply to this though, as it's short....

No I didn't. I don't have a sim to lock you out of. I already suggested that you wander round the sim and check its performance. I prefer prevention, rather can cure, and when a newbie nutter starts a thread about orbiting bots for fun, it might just be sensible to keep the person out.

Why would you want to kill these bots? They are pure Capitalism in action which is what the US of A is all about and how the rest of the world should be according to the money grubbers.

Thats right!!

Everyone should have enough trafficbots to peg their traffic number at Maximum.

That way the places search is a level playing field again.

Because they make for a good bbq?

Laughs..............

But... but.... If you orbit these "bots", and the traffic of the sim suffers, then HOW will I know which sims to avoid???

The higher the traffic, the less chance I'll go there.

I had a lot of sympathy for Phil's arguments, until I understood from his comment above that the sim is not his. In this case, bots are consuming resource, on the asset servers, on the sim, and on sims that are next door.

Is having bots "cheating" - well, that is for other people to decide, but if everyone did it, there would be no benefit, just a drain.

...and his argument is that everyone does it.

Summary of community opinion (within thread): LL is tolerant of bot usage, possibly because it drives up total and concurrent population. As long as bot usage is not examined and traffic/grouping is a listing mechanic, store owners will run as many bots as possible to drive up personal traffic. Non-store-owning users, shoppers, dislike "zombie" bots because they want to follow the crowd to popular stores.

Residents, especially older residents, are used to there being one player per avatar in game. We haven't been able to depend on that model since camping chairs started up, but client branching has multiplied bot use, due to the development of small footprint clients.

This has been discussed many times before, but we're looking at a classic advertiser model of cash flow. Television, radio, and periodical networks/publishers don't care about viewers except for drawing them in -- the real customer is the advertiser, who pays real money for ad space.

Between shoppers and store owners, store owners are the real customer of the service. An independent user of Second Life who's just here to chat and poke around is essentially useless except for blowing a few bucks on L$ and maybe a small, semi-dependable monthly fee. Advertisers, businesses, and sometime botrunners of SL buy more land and drive up more traffic, in the usual cycle of big numbers, big prizes.

As focus continues to shift away from early adopter residents to average consumers, expect not less, but more tolerance for standard practices that business/land owners invent and adapt. As long as negative reaction from Residents has a minimal effect on the bottom line, why should LL worry?

Its nice to see there are some people with common sence thinking........You don`t see this offen on this forum.

The two parts I taken out of your remarks here are two of the pressing issues for many of us. Specialy those that are older residents.....Many of us have become use to multi alts being run by one user or ( alts with the -multiple add). Since camping started which dated back to oct 2005....(when it first started to show up). But now as you know 70% of the game is only about camping. And with this slimdown diet client like "Sleek" and if you can believe it people are selling a version of this client for 1000L to 2000L. Just for the need to cam for hours on end with as many alts as possible.

The media hype of sl is so vast! It spans from the from almost any part of the world that has a decent high speed connection abilty. The newest part of this media boom is moble phone coonected to the sl network......Now if LLABS can scale the client down to reach moble phone devices terms of useage. darn right you see even more advertiser model of cash flow!

i repeat:

Quoted because I suspect people will miss this bit.

One thing to consider is Businesses Own practices make the metrics advertisers are the most interested in USELESS.


camp and trafficbots because their very nature as most possible number of dummy accounts, make the total number of accounts, Users logged in in X time, and User concurrency numbers worth nothing.

while advertisers are most interested in knowing how many potential customers will see their advertisement.



Oddly enough with enough dummy accounts potentially slowing down grid performance at peak times, the trafficbot runner might be contributing to reducing their own bottom line by making SL less stable than it otherwise would be due to inflated concurrency.

Too bad they drag everyone else's experience down with them.

People are not always going to respect other's perspectives. Especially when the opposing perspective is motivated by greed over principles.

Since this thread is derailed anyway, I will try to give my opinion, though it is more a dount then an opinion.

At the moment I have got quite a nice parcel. A shop with some nice low prim sculpted furniture in it. A good place in search, at least the new one. But: Hardly any traffic. So I have been thinking to put 2 or 3 alts in my shop, sitting on chairs or couches. Looks nice as a way of demonstrating the poses, and gives my traffic a hell of a boost.

On the other hand, I am not much in favour of traffic bots, as I agree with the people who think it is not the right way to act. Not ethical. And my 2 or 3 alts would be traffic bots, the demonstration of sitting animatitions is a nice extra. So I am not sure yet wether I am going to put a few sleek clients on an old pc here.

So no, I am not much in favour of traffic bots, but if it would help me in getting more people to my shop, it is tempting. Though I do build for fun, it would be nice if I do get my tier covered

Greetings, Marcel

You should say MIGHT in the last sentence as well. Since no one can tell wether the traffic bots do slow down the grid, no one can tell wether they drag down other peoples experience. Putting "might" in the first part, and make kind of a solid statement in the last part, doesnt seem right.