Ah, but when I said, "Don't be so stupid", I didn't attempt to change the subject 

thats not what you said.
You said "Dont be stupid, I know its hard for you."
Completely different.
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Colette Meiji
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03-21-2008 19:01
Ah, but when I said, "Don't be so stupid", I didn't attempt to change the subject ![]() thats not what you said. You said "Dont be stupid, I know its hard for you." Completely different. |
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03-21-2008 19:01
Pfffft...come on Phil...knock knock! It's me, Little Red Riding Hood. Can me and the big bad wolf come in now?
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03-21-2008 19:04
the "Gaming" is the unfair part. Saying everyone should cheat so that you can claim something is ethical is a bit pathetic. _____________________
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Jannae Karas
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03-21-2008 19:07
Me thinks Colette and Phil should meet in a combat sim and settle their differences.
Although I understand and support Phil's use of bots to compete in his business, I agree with Colette that the practice is lacking in ethics. Pure capitalism (which we have in SL) and ethics are very much in conflict with each other. I prefer to live my life and conduct my SL business in an ethical manner. In doing so, I acknowledge that it puts me at a disadvantage. My own business dealings in land and rentals is really nothing much more than a hobby these days. If things go south at times, I merely have to pick up the extra tier payments myself until better days arrive. For this reason, I no longer invest in more land than I can comfortably pay tier on myself, less the renters contributions. While I prefer ethics over expedience, I am not willing to fault another for making that choice as long as no one is injured. (Yes, Colette I realize you will say that his more ethical competitors will suffer injury, but in reality these big box, low prim furniture mavens cater to the masses. They do not take away from the niche designers where folks like you and I spend our $L). _____________________
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03-21-2008 19:08
thats not what you said. You said "Dont be stupid, I know its hard for you." Completely different. It's still the same - I wasn't changing the subject, whereas you were. But you can do now that we've got to the bottom line - you think it's cheating and I don't, AND I choose not to go through it all again. If it really is cheating, then I agree that it's unethical. But I don't believe for a second that it's cheating, so for me, it isn't unethical._____________________
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Jannae Karas
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03-21-2008 19:09
Pfffft...come on Phil...knock knock! It's me, Little Red Riding Hood. Can me and the big bad wolf come in now? ![]() _____________________
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Dave Herbst
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03-21-2008 19:10
If say I, as just a normal Avatar contribue X to the problems with peak Concurrency, but a Trafficbot runner because of their 20 trafficbots contributes 5X, then that trafficbot owner is 5 times as much a part of the problem as I am. We all have to share the same Grid after all. By that logic, the same could be said about forum post counts. If every resident in SL had 12K+ posts, the forums would implode. |
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03-21-2008 19:10
![]() He locked me out of his sim He thinks i'm gonna keel his bots. |
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Colette Meiji
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03-21-2008 19:11
Aha. You mean something different to me, by "gaming". To me, it is doing things that will cause a place (or webpage) to rank higher than it normally would. To you, it means cheating. It isn't cheating, Colette, but we've been through that before, in great detail. Let's not argue it out again. You think it's cheating, and I don't think it's cheating. Some people may not remember the discussion about it, but I've no desire to go through it all again. I'm content that you think it's cheating, and that I don't. Okay ... we can go that route *IF* gaming the traffic system is cheating. *THEN* gaming the system is unethical. *AND* telling others they should also cheat is not a ethical solution. *AND* Trafficbots are therefore also unethical. *AT Best* Trafficbots could be explained as a necessary evil because of business reality. But they are still unethical. I feel, as do many others, that gaming the system is cheating. End. ----------------------------- You feel it isn't cheating. You are entitled to your opinion. It does nothing to invalidate my thought process above. |
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Colette Meiji
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03-21-2008 19:12
By that logic, the same could be said about forum post counts. If every resident in SL had 12K+ posts, the forums would implode. thats okay, 95% of all residents don't ever post on the forums. |
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Jannae Karas
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03-21-2008 19:12
He locked me out of his sim He thinks i'm gonna keel his bots.Understood. He is becoming paranoid. _____________________
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03-21-2008 19:13
Understood. He is becoming paranoid. "becoming"? _____________________
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03-21-2008 19:14
"becoming"? Hi cowboy ![]() _____________________
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03-21-2008 19:15
thats okay, 95% of all residents don't ever post on the forums. 95% of residents don't run bots either. Disproportion is only ok, when it applies to you then? |
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Jannae Karas
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03-21-2008 19:17
95% of residents don't run bots either. Disproportion is only ok, when it applies to you then? 99.999% of all residents don't run bots, but a fair number of older "and wiser" accounts run alts. _____________________
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Chris Norse
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03-21-2008 19:17
95% of residents don't run bots either. Disproportion is only ok, when it applies to you then? But that 5% of residents who do run bots lag out the other 95%. Bots and sensors that work beyond the plot they are currently on are the next things LL should look to clean up. _____________________
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03-21-2008 19:18
In the not so distant past I would be posting this as in before the lock.
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Colette Meiji
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03-21-2008 19:18
95% of residents don't run bots either. Disproportion is only ok, when it applies to you then? Guess so. |
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03-21-2008 19:18
Hi cowboy ![]() How is Jannae this evening? _____________________
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Jannae Karas
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03-21-2008 19:24
How is Jannae this evening? Currently not in world, but enjoying spring break with great intensity. _____________________
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03-21-2008 19:25
Guess so. I love your attitude Colette. ![]() _____________________
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Dave Herbst
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03-21-2008 19:26
But that 5% of residents who do run bots lag out the other 95%. Bots and sensors that work beyond the plot they are currently on are the next things LL should look to clean up. Not all bots. Landbots and search bots gobble up resources, lots of it. That's not good. There are alot of bots that have narrow focus and limited function. That doesn't make them bad. We use a single bot to manage our landbase. Attending our plots manually would takes days and days, if not weeks. A bot can perform the same purpose in much shorter duration and with much more resource economy (no bling, no attachments, no graphics to load in every sim). |
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03-21-2008 19:29
You're very naive, Colette, or a totally unrealistically minded, or just criticising for the sake of it. You could equally say that those who pay more for an ad have an unfair advantage over those who pay less or nothing, because they are higher up the rankings. No matter which way you try to say otherwise, using a method that is acceptable to the owners of the system, and that seeks to raise the rankings of relevant places in relevant search results, simply isn't unethical. Yes well we should just have paying, because when it comes down to it that what happens in the real world, if a magazine offered free ad to every plumber in the area, you put an ad in then found another plumber in the area had 20 free ads by just putting them in under different names because it was possible, it is fair even if it's not ethical I guess by you? _____________________
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Colette Meiji
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03-21-2008 19:29
There are alot of bots that have narrow focus and limited function. That doesn't make them bad. We use a single bot to manage our landbase. Attending our plots manually would takes days and days, if not weeks. A bot can perform the same purpose in much shorter duration and with much more resource economy (no bling, no attachments, no graphics to load in every sim). Quite difference between those and bots that only exist to game the traffic system. I would think. |
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03-21-2008 19:30
I'll change my answer on account of that post. If the bot isn't interfering with anyone or anything, then it would be unethical to orbit or kill it. Bots have people behind them. Those people are conducting their own business, therefore it would be interfering with someone else's legitimate use of SL. Don't make the mistake of thinking that the only avs that are being used by real people are the primary ones. Yeah, I'll think about that while I'm orbiting those bots. Would anyone else like to help organize a bot hunt? |