Underage

do us all a fav and stop trying to cause flame wars with challenges every time you post ?

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better yet you earned a MUTE TAG

Fine. I still never made any assumption in my post. If this is how you react when asked to explain what you mean, then perhaps you need to cut down on the caffeine.

when the hell did it become illegal to interact with minors online? what law is it that everyone is so in fear of? ffs im sure glad i dont live in america.
unless you plan on exchanging rl nude photos with her what exactly is the risk?
live and let live.

Hey guys, Browsing the forum whilst killing some time, this thread awakened something in me enough to respond, bear with me here

We all come across child AV's at some time or another, from my prospective its always safer to assume that they are in fact NOT children but residents acting the part for whatever reason.

I would consider any child av asking to be taken into a family as a scam, I would also hope that most rational people would feel the same, however i can understand that some people get taken in and I would imagine its often the "adopted parent/ s " who are the victims not the "children"

We all know that SL can easily take over our rationale and we can see and believe things which seem real but are being mis represented again for whatever reason.... hope that makes sense )))

I go with the poster who said that she lied to get on SL, and would not recommend any further interaction with this child AV, this person may well be pretending with a view to unloading the guy of some lindens.

As for callousness, nah that does not come close to being callous, this is SL not RL, dont mix up your emotions, of course we would help any child in distress in RL, but on SL no way jose. There is all the help that people need in SL no matter what your age in real life or your SL.

peace brothers and sisters

I think the most common fear is that if any allegation is made against you, you'll be investigated, and even if you're found innocent the investigation will harm your reputation. (Would you trust a babysitter, who was accused of child abuse, but found innocent?) Men often believe they are more at risk but the problem applies to both sexes.

The problem is that the allegation doesn't have to be true.. and it doesn't have to be the child that makes it. A typical example would be something like this: a child logs into SL or another talker, claims to be an adult, and gets involved with a sexual situation. Their parents catch them. The parents get angry, and essentially back the child into a corner, where if they admit that they did that intentionally or experimentally or anything similar they fear being punished or abandoned; so the child claims it was non-consensual, and the parents then demand that the child "prove it" by going through with a full-scale legal action against the other person involved.

I have just completed the 3 steps for protection when a minor anounces itself to the public on Second Life. Ban, Mute and file an AR with Linden Labs. Cold but it has to be done. Better to be safe than under investgation or in jail! Once I read the notice it left me no choice. None at all!

You did tell us that you were married to a very boring woman, so we assume that you are over 10. But I keep shaking my head, how the heck do you really know for sure. I have read so many profiles that say they are 12 or 13 years old, then they say they are over 18. Right now I am clueless on this subject. So many people tell me one thing then months down the road I discover that it isnt true. I used to take people at face value and I think I still do. But as far as their rl age goes, I give up on that one. So I think that I have decided that if someone tells me they are 12 or 13 I am just going to assume they are over 18 or they wouldnt be on the main grid. It is not my place to judge their age. This train of thought may be skewed but who knows what is going on in someone elses mind.

What notice? Sorry must have missed that one, do you have a link? Does it say I have to report everyone that says they are under 18 on their sl profile?

Relevant related link

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/s/1028189_no_photos_of_your_baby_

I believe that one, people are getting rediculous. Also, you bet if some kid under the age of 18 is scared and lost I am going to invite then into my house instead of stay outside and freeze. If they want to lock me up for that one then more power too them.

You (and me) are apparently the only one's who noticed that a Linden spoke up in this thread. I think they may actually be posting a lot - it's just that people don't notice.

what do you mean this person is not a complete child?!?!


Too many "not completly a child" girls, and boys are being hurt by people who don't give a damn~and wash their hands of the responsibility as a society to govern our children!! YES OUR CHILDREN! Until a CHILD is 18 THEY ARE A CHILD!

If we have not learned anything these past few years with these kids letting loose bullets on people it sould be we need to take notice of these kids! How will you feel if tomorrow on your local news you hear of a 16 YO abducted from her home by a pedo' and the link is from SL.


I'm truly sorry for the rant, it just irks me that it's so easy for people to wash their hand of children that obviously are in need of guidance!

To the person concerned, you seem really concerned for this child. and that I applaud you in! Keep insisting and they will listen! Kids DO listen!

I'm just wondering, but how does a day (A minute if you really wanna get down to it, even second) cause maturity and responsibility to suddenly pop up?

pardon? I said nothing about them being mature or responsible at 18! I said they are not adults until then!!

It doesn't, in reality. However, the law (at least in the US) says it does. The cutoff has to happen sometime for legal purposes, and 18 is it. Maturity really doesn't matter in that circumstance, only age does. You can have an extremely mature 15 year old and an extremely immature 19 year old. Doesn't matter....the 19 year old is still an "adult" and the 15 year old is still a child.

Worse yet, what if she's Stone Philips? Not trying to sound like the paranoid 'American', but there are severe criminal penalties in many countries including the USA for harboring and contributing to the delinquency of a minor, even if no sexual overtones were present. Best bet is to set her strait as to the severity of the punishment you could incur, and send her packing. I am sure that if it is an adult investigator, or Stone posing as a child, they will try to push you as far as they can into a compromising position, get you arrested, and publish a documentary exposing SL as a dangerous place for minors where adults prey on children. That would be bad for everyone here. Do yourself a favor, as innocent as the situation seems, I would just back away from it quickly and be firm about where you stand. Any other ground would be quicksand.

A very safe assumption.



So, wait. I'm scamming my in-world parents? How exactly is this again?

I *do* know there are some kids out there who are, ya, tryin to scam. same everywhere in this metaverse of ours, I suppose. Yet you'll find a whole lot of people who simply want to have parents or children in this shared world of ours, myself included, and who are not "scamming" anyone. I have never asked anything of my in-world family except their time, and I usually feel reluctant to even ask for that!

So, um... where's the scam?



I agree.

Mari

sure there does, and being online, there already is, in the form of tickets submitted, AR's filed, chat/im logs created, creator/transaction histiories for photos, etc ad nauseam. by it's nature your environment bears out the truth of your actions, for good or ill. what you are describing is sheer paranoia, what I describe isn't a fantasy, oh no one will mind, it's cold hard digital fact, you and you actions can be tracked.


this is SL, anyone who knows how to swing a cam can describe your house. meanwhile, see above.


:hakes head sadly:: I'm glad I don't live in your world. I say that not because we don't live in the same place, but because you don't see anyone as worth helping, that your ideals and morals are subject to the whim of some silly law, or unlikely situation. I'm not advocating you change, just saying I'm glad I'm not you. we all stand by what we believe in.


QFT & Fact


I believe in doing what my conscious says is the right thing, law be damned. What do you believe in?

Not OUR children - THEIR children ("them" being the child's parents). We are not responsible for raising other people's children, nor are we responsible for shielding them from seeing some SL porn.

Wow, there's still hope yet.

I don't understand why people feel the need to be life's police. As stated above, it's not anyones responsibility to care for other peoples kids providing this person mentioned is in fact a minor which may not be true.

Why lose sleep over this? So what? Long as it's not your own kids don't worry about it.

For the record though, I said that all women were boring - not that mine was any more boring than the rest of them.

That was mostly a troll for fun though - there is a small minority of women who occassionally have something interesting to say.

After all of these millions of posts on this subject I still see no reason why the residents of Second Life, and Linden Lab too, should be responsible for taking on what is a parent's responsibilty to supervise their own children.

Stop making me laugh cutie.
/me reaches over and slaps him on the ass!!!

the law the law the law the law tos law law tos law tos
fear the law tos blahblah blah.
i dont know how people can live like that? there is no law against talking to underage ppl online hey. and all the talk of 'ar cos the law/tos blah blah' make me think youre the same people that would have handed over anne frank. just you could comply with 'the law'.

Would there have been a reward for handing Anne Frank over? If so, I totally would have. Maybe LL should start giving rewards for winkling underage users out of hiding too.