Underage

Yes, I am worried about the legal part of this for me, but I am more worried about her, if I ban and mute her she would probably end up somewhere I wouldnt like my rl kid to go to. In fact, that's how she came to me, we took her from an odd (to call it someway) place. I just want them to cancel her account in main grid and transfer her account to the teen grid.

You sound like a nice fellow. The brats are not my kin and thus not my problem. It sounds nice to make speaches supporting the children and community but my trust level is low to none. There is a good chance it is just a policeman trolling for perverts. Eject, Ban, Mute and AR are four very good steps for safety. Not perfect but once the brats announces him/her self it is the only thing to do. Let their relatives do the teaching. Also I do not want the little brats on my property or in my house. It is cruel and ugly perhaps but it is the way to survive in modern America.

It's certainly true in parts of the UK too.

I've heard terrible stories about little girls becoming lost on Paddington Station for hours because nobody - man nor woman - would help them. Women were slightly more open, but still feared escorting the child anywhere for fear of being seen as a "snatcher". And rumours that undesirables had actually _trained_ their children as "traps" - in the belief that you can be paid compensation for having your child attacked - were persisting..

This is in a similar vein to a woman who lay dying by the side of a major road in the course of which hundreds of people drove right past. This actually made the nationals, and a survey carried out showed that most people would not help for fear that if they tried but did it wrong, they'd be blamed for her death. The second most popular viewpoint was that it might all be a trick and there could be someone hiding nearby to attack them or steal their car when they got out. http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30000-13229876,00.html

lass and by all means do what your conscious tells you, I can't say I blame you, I've been burned before too... but assuming it is some police officer looking for perverts, I'd like to think that how I treat them, and what I do, will at least brighten their world enough to see that there are decent caring people around that will buck the trend and try... I prefer not to live with that parnoia, and couldn't live with my own conscious otherwise... and I survive alright

PS just realized how funny it was to correct a pronoun used by someone named ranma (if you aren't an anime fan, look up 'ranma saotome') made me grin, thanks

And what if this girl decides to accuse you of anything?

She has already lied to get into SL, how do you know you can trust her at all?

I have been in a similar situation. I asked the lad to leave SL of his own volition. He didn't. So I reported him and had nothing further to do with him.

if this seems harsh, sorry. But if you know someone is underage then it does not seem wise to risk anyone thinking you are encouraging them to stay in anyway.

Sadly, in this day and age, one has to protect oneself.

Disregarding for a moment this person could easily be 40 years old and just said shes 16 as part of her kid backstory...

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In the OPs posters place I would askl the 16 year old why she is breaking the rules to get into Second Life, and wouldn't her RL parents be disappointed or concerned with what she was doing?

I would remind her that the internet is full of people that would want to take advantage of her and she shouldn't trust people she meets online.

Then I would say no to the family request, and would quit associating with the person.

And I wouldnt do anything other than that.

Filing an AR is a reasonable suggestion (but not filing one is also reasonable) . The rest, especially the follow reports, seems like an unnecessary overreaction. I can't imagine what you expect to accomplish with that, other than making more work for some LL employee.


I feel that such an extreme view is unwarranted. The world isn't black and white. The phrase "sweet and nice" is not synonymous with "scrupulously honest". There's absolutely nothing in the original post to suggest that this person created any risk at all for the original poster, not legal, and certainly not with regard to their account.


It's rare for someone undersage to admit to it, and if everyone thought like you, it be even more rare. All that you're doing is reinforcing the natural inclination of underage avs to keep that secret.


I'm sorry. Exactly which rules are being broken? Telling them to go to the teen grid is an interaction. Is that a risky thing to do?

Or are you equating 'interacting' with sex? If so, that's unfair to everyone involved.

It sounds like paranoia to me. But I guess I'll have to remember this the next time a 16 YO high school student asks me for directions to the college admissions office.

Its definitely paranoia.

Before my daughter recently got her license, my husband drove her friends and her lots of places.

He was never once arrested.

It depends... in SL its an age controlled adult environment. If i was in another, say a bar or strip club or something and a 16 year old comes up says shes 16 and asks for help or a friend/buddy... I'm going to tell the people that work there and get her taken away and her mother/police/social services called or whatever needs to be done.... I wouldn't say... "well theres lotsa bad people around here, so you better sit with me so they don't get you..." then try to explain to her she should hang out a chuck'e'cheese... give me a break.

Mily,
Thanks for bringing this issue up. In this situation the best thing to do is to submit an abuse report. We can then investigate further and can transfer the account to the Teen Second Life if needed. I see you've gotten a lot of residents suggesting the same thing but I thought I'd confirm.

Thanks again!
Aki

Pick my post apart all you want Kidd. I stated my views clearly with no meansed words. I stand by everything I said and your so "level headed" response could very well get you into some trouble you don't want. This is a very well stated adult grid and any adult who knowingly and willing "interacts" with a child (in this country that is anyone under the age of 1 puts himself in jeopardy............big jeopardy. You don't know this "child". As others have stated she could be a fully grown adult merely playing as an adult.......or an undercover police person. You are opening yourself up to some real ugly issues by being so understanding open minded. No sexual interaction is necessary.........just the accusation of such. Or she finds another "kind, considerate" person to 'mentor" her.........who gains her trust and we read about her abduction, rape and murder on the internet or see it on FOX news. Think you are home free because you did not do anything but "be her friend" and tried to steer her back to the Teen Grid? Good luck with that me friend

Paranoid? I don't think so.........more in line with realistic. Second Life may a community but it's still the internet. So instead of picking my post apart to show the world how "kind and helpful" you are you might think about what I said........it could save you some grief that you certainly would not like.

And........................who said Lindens don't read the forums? Aki.

*if* accusations are made... what evidence? what proof? you have rpoof you AR'd, so what's the big scare for? if you're that paranoid about it, yurn on chat and IM logging, simple.

for instances given of police, would NEVER occur, they must keep records, you don't do any wrong, you can't be accused of wrong. simple. interacting with an underage user is not wrong, in fact you can't even be held accountable to AR them. now if you are foolish enough to become involved in something sexual after them telling you you're underage, let the accusations fly, you deserve them.

now it'd be different if said person was ACTUALLY making false accussations, in which case, yeah, ban/eject/mute/AR/AR/AR.

I swear people act like decency is rocket science....

You could also do the best for everybody which means just do NOTHING and mind only your own business.

Like every good person should do but seems... unable to refrain.

there are alot of times when things should just be left alont but i dont believe this is one of them

sl main grid is not acceptable to allow anyone under 18 on no matter how innocent they might try to stay there is just to much out there under ager's shouldnt see

i feel the underager should be reported and let LL verify if she is indeed under age

There is a lot of time all the time in my opinion.

Dead sick of the backyard intelligence services.

you are as sick of that as i am of underagers illlegally accessing the main grid and putting others at risk because they think they are adult enough to not listen to rules

I really don't care if there are underage players in SL as long as they keep away from me. This is a Linden Lab problem and not mine. I have more important things to worry about.

Why do you care then? just look the other way when you see one. That work for a little thing and it doesn't tresspass on anybody's right to enjoy their life.

because if you engage in things while they are around and just ignore that they dont belong here you can get into trouble too not to mention the people that might do things with them not knowing they are underage and get into trouble

they are not supposed to be here they dont belong here and if we have knowledge of it, they should be turned into LL

You are a kind person but these days there needs to be no proof. None really, it is dangerous to be alone with any stranger child. I would never let one in my house least they can describe it to the police when they lie about being taken advantage of.
It is the same way on the net, one has a chance until they admit to being underage. At that point the only thing you can do to save yourself is eject/ban/mute and AR.
I fear my fellow sl user one day you will be in jail for the crime of trying to help a child. What the frack do I owe a stranger child. Well nothing, it I see one on the street hurt perform life saving measures but only after calling 911. If they do not need life saving measures, call 911 if needed otherwise pass them by.
Like real life we have to protect ourselves, I am not going to prison for some stranger child. Oh in a foreign country, I try to find a policeman otherwise what else can we do? Again no brat is worth my job, my lifestyle and my freedom!

But that still doesnt forgive LLABS for continuing to allow known under 18 kids in the game. Look at ME I am 40 i have to proved proof to a company that inthe past has been hacked. I don`t care how much BS as they say that no information is collected bla bla bla. But the fact still stands. Proof of a passport ( which is death! if someone get hold of that data) or drivers card? Noway! LLABS needs to learn they have to take their own past mistakes and eat them themselves! instead tell us " OPEN UP AND TAKE THE BANANA".........

Given the number of people moaning about id verification, LL can hardly be blamed. There are no "known" under 18s in SL - only suspected under 18s. Even if they say they are underaged, that is still not conclusive proof. Look at me, I'm only 10 in real life. I'm sure you can put forward a strong argument that I'm probably not - but I challenge you to prove conclusively that I'm not.

nice assumption............... I am for having some kind of protection for age proof. But handling over my passport number. Oh please! For a stupid game......

I made no assumption in my post. What are you talking about?