Are Virtual Worlds the new place to discrminate in?

Agreed kalderi - apologies - I just read some of teh other posts and I was kinda stunned - thaz all.
Gotta go. A real life Arts forum/meeting. Ahhh! We liberals will be attending.

See several of my posts above identifying the problems inherent in not being able to distinguish fantasy from reality.

Pep (We'll change the saying for you - "Better never than late"

I can trace my roots back, and have done so on my dad's side, right down to the ship my ancestor arrived on. They were Yoruba. My mom's side is a little harder as she is the ancestral 'product' of a slave master and a house slave. And, furthermore, just FYI, I don't agree with what you've said here, at all, except for this:

QUOTE: "Equality means everyone is equal across the board, with no special treatment, quotas, conditions or whatever for anyone regardless."END QUOTE

Again, I've been around SL for a couple years now, and haven't met this/these sim owners that only allow black appearing avas on their sim. Still waiting for a private message telling me who they are so I can find out more info.

Can't see any difference to Gor. As soon as you enter Gor RP as a female character you ARE a (potential) slave.

I know your sims, (I think), a friend of mine has a shop there. I would love to spend some time there, but don't, because of the enforced 'theme'. I look like a stuffed pillow in a kimono, Treasure just doesn't have the body for it. I like her body and don't want to change it to look willowy in authentic asian dress, so, I make the choice to just not go. Shame, too, as I said the sim that I know of, is beautiful. But I feel uncomfortable, because I know that if you see me, dressed in my regular non-themed clothes, you might ask me to leave. But like you have said here, it's my choice to just not go, so I don't. Loss to both of us, to me for missing the beauty of the experience, to you for losing whatever money I might spend there.

But what about Gor? Forgive me for not knowing the specifics, but there are quite a few woman that LIKE to play slaves.

We, as members of this virtual world, aren't in any way, shape, or form here to judge or make rules of other peoples personas. People create these personas of what they want to be...or not be. This isn't real life. Its a networking tool for people to find friends and allies in what it is they want to associate themselves with. It's Second Life.

I'm not a racist or a homophobe. Nor, in real life, am I a 4 foot tall black rabbit that loves to wear shirts that you can see my bra through, has a mountain of perfectly styled hair, married to another woman, and live in a cute a frame cottage next to a waterfall.

I am a straight married white southern woman. I know more about the American Civil War than most people around the nation because our public school system shoves it down our throats from the time we get on the bus.

If I, as a furry (or a lesbian, a goran slave, a vampire, wearwolf,or a person in a wheel chair) am asked to leave a sim because of something I've done to my avatar, I have two choices:

1. Change the thing they've asked me to change.

OR

2. Write 'This guy's a jerk because he hates *insert discriminatory adjective here*-don't go back to *Blah* sim.' under the 'Notes' portion of said dudes profile, not change a thing, and leave.

Unless LL doesn't make anyone pay for their Virtual Real Estate anymore, or unless you, as the offended, is going to take over the payments of that person land, you can be offended all you want, but you can't do anything to change it.

They own the land, therefore they can make you leave because you just 'aren't hot enough'. They don't have to have a reason. And you can't impose your morals and/or thoughts on anyone else just because you disagree.

Treasure, I'm not sure we're thinking of the same place, to be honest - we only sell our own goods in the market on the sim and there are no other stores.

But to your comment - we absolutely DO NOT insist on people being dressed as traditional Japanese (heck, some of the time i am there, I'm not!). We welcome all races and clothing. In the example I gave I was talking about the really obnoxious avies that are out there, as far as we are concerned. We have welcomed furries, borg and gorians to the sim, because they have come in and acted in a civilized manner.

I was saying that in a more restrictive RP environment, it HAS to be enforced more.

So in our case, please do not feel uncomfortable and come and visit. We encourage people to get in costume, but do not insist on it.

Sorry if I caused any confusion.

I wish to clarify that I do not harbor a racist bone in my body.

That said, if I want to open up a sim that discriminates against furries, dragons, mechas, blacks, gays, christians, jews, nazis or whoever I feel like NOT having there, I'll damn well do it.

Why?

Because this is a virtual word. Its not R E A L.

I want a civil war era sim?
black slaves

I want a Gor sim?
female slaves

I want a gay only sim?
NO straights!

1940 Berlin?
NO Jews!

Wild west era?
Get to work on that railroad mr chinaman!

Aztec empire?
your ass better not be european!

see my point?

SIMS are whatever the owner feels like doing. Thats why he/she pays, thats why they set the rules.

You dont like it, dont tp there.

But do not tell me I HAVE to be tolerant, do not FORCE me to change MY SIM because you dont like the no furry/no female/no black/no white/ no whatever rule.

Please enlighten me as i fail to see how i made an ad honinem comment. All i did was quote Winston Churchill pointing out how odd it can sound when you don't end with a preposition. Then i asked you to keep what i see as ad hominem commentS to yourself.

Precisely - you addressed me rather than my post.

Pep (Which I didn't)

PS Poor show for quoting someone without attributing it

/me pokes her head into the thread, notes the presence of Kalderi and takes a moment to complement Hosoi on the beautiful builds, particularly the prefabs.

/runs out!

Ah I see now, and i suppose you are right. But could you not say the same thing about your posts commenting on a persons grammar and not their message. After all this is not an English class but a forum for discussing topics related to SL. Perhaps we just have different views on what is appropriate.

Anyway i see the humor in your posts, tho honestly some of them just look like flamebait to me. I made that post because I felt you were spending more time looking down on someone then making insightful posts about the topic at hand, which you do often enough, but not in all threads it seems.

someone said "Just please don't go by that damn script that every short person seems to want to send me if I politely ask their apparent-age when they come into my adult club."

I concur

The LSL call llGetAgentSize returns twice the distance from the center of the AV to the eye height positionn in the z component, and constants in x and y

This is substantially less than height.

Thanks, Nika. I'll pass the message along to the designer. We're working on some new ones right now.

If you dont want the public to spoil the look of a themed build set the sim to group access only and only invite in screened friends.

If you leave it open to public access dont be all shocked and dismayed when the public shows up.

Yes, but doesn't it need to be public to get new members that may be interested in the theme?