Are Virtual Worlds the new place to discrminate in?

We're talking about two different things here. A private club is not open to the public by definition. It's not the same as a privately owned business that's open to the public.

You think I made an ad hominem comment? You have, but I know I didn't. Perhaps you should read my post again more carefully - and not post so precipitately.

Pep (I also reserve the right to criticise people that appear to have little sense of proportion or humour)

Oh, for those who don't know what I usually look like;

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3354/3181612097_c8aacb4b62_b.jpg

Linkage.

about 4 feet tall is SL measurement.
Yes I'm small compared to all the 7 and 8 feet tall giants.

Did anyone throw up yet from this picture? No? then you are sane enough to me.
click the link to see my disgusting avatar....

I still don't get why some idiots won't allow me to live my own second life.

Wow how naive are you. For a start you would not know how the person lost their limb you would assume it was in an accident.
How many mentally ill ppl do you really know Kasuga? trust me maybe more than you think. Do you know anyone who has suffered from depression wow mental illness there
Obsessive-compulsive personality-anxiety disorder mm opps another one, Dependent personality disorder ,Paranoid personality,Senile dementia, Panic attack,PTSD,Postnatal Depression,Substance dependence, Anorexia nervosa,Bulimia nervosa, ODD and ADD also ADHD . Im sure you get the picture there are many mental illnesses out there some are lasting some are not. A bump on the head can bring some on also.
So If your so worried about the nuts out there maybe it would be safer if you keep your family locked in your house cause who knows the next person they walk past , talk to , is in charge of them may have a mental illness.
I do more than tolerate those with mental issues.

I support Sim and Land Owners to be able to do whatever they want with their land. I agree, it sucks that people can be discriminating, raceist, ageist, furriest, whatever....but I firmly believe in SL Land Owner rights.

Here is an example of what would happen if we changed that rule:

You own a club on a sim that you pay RL money for. Somewhere between $195 to $295 a month. You are obviously very dedicated to this SL business.
Some loser comes in and griefs all over your club, getting your patrons to leave, thus making you loose linden and causing much grumpiness. You ban said loser, he files a complaint ticket saying that you banned him, not because he was a griefer, but because he was whatever (black, white, furry, too short, whatever). Your rights as a land owner are taken away and you can't ban this guy.

Not fun.

So, as I said before: I support Sim and Land Owners to be able to do whatever they want with their land.

You don't have to lecture me on mental disabilities. And yes, I know people with ADD, ADHD, depression, anorexia.

But these people don't have a violent disorder. Being a danger to others.

From your point of view you tolerate and respect serial killers, rapists and other mentally sexually disabilities. You also tolerate pyros, and child molesters.

All mentally ill people. curable? maybe. completely reliable? NO.

Respect for you that you feel good about being around these people. I couldn't
I feel myself incapable of defending myself if one of those tends to snap and start random behavior you don't want near you.

But I respect people who lost their legs in an accident, war, and whatnot kind of flesh eating virus. because the topic at hand was about people who destroy their own legs because of the little voice in their heads. That's different.

Stop trying to twist my opinion in making it look like I hate all other than me. You come a lot closer to that.

I am more tolerant towards people who are sick because of someone else's fuckups, than people who created it themselves.

I seem to have no mental disorder. I think. But I am allergic to dust, animal hair, and glucose dosages more than 10 grams per hour.

So what is your disorder? acute trust-everyone-regardless?

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Oh, of course.

The landowner probably can't ban you for your race, sexual choice. But grievers are different. They love to make people suffer. getting the attention they want.

Nobody likes grievers. So they can eject them, ban them, and send them back to NOOB island. I totally agree. I would let anyone in my club, but there are simple rules in every club in SL.

Follow the rules, and stay. Don't follow the rules, and get a ban.

So if you are using a wheelchair in SL, and annoy the shit out of the normal visitors by bumping ionto them, getting attention as in "HEY LOOKIT ME!!"

That's grieving. Wheelchair or no wheelchair. Annoying other people is not allowed in any club.

Mostly rule number 3, NO Grieving.

Personality disorders from the above list diagnosed in Pep's immediate family:

Yes - depression
Yes - Obsessive-compulsive disorder
Yes - personality-anxiety disorder
Yes - Dependent personality disorder
Yes - Paranoid personality
Yes - Senile dementia
Yes - Panic attack
No - PTSD
Yes - Postnatal Depression
Yes - Substance dependence
No - Anorexia nervosa
No - Bulimia nervosa
Yes - ODD
Yes - ADD
Yes - ADHD

Pep (And you are surprised at my forum persona?)

PS Don't you dare discriminate against me (or for me) as a consequence!

Have you ever seen a person with ADHD snap ? I have,I have been the receiver of the pointy end of scissors. They were pushed into my wrist, the person who did it was a 10 yr old kid in school.
People who self harm or who remove their own limbs are less likely to hurt you then some guy you cut off at the lights in a road rage attack. They see themselves as needing the limb removed they see themselves as a person who should not have that limb maybe like a transgender feels they were born in the wrong body. What about someone who feels they need a nose job to look better when all others think they look fine. It is all about their own perception of themselves. Its not common so dont worry your chances of running into someone is slim on the other hand someone who has had a bad day and in a foul mood who may take a swipe at you for cutting them off at a checkout is more likely
My point is you cant tell if someone has a mental illness,

You seem fairly normal to me

***PLEASE*** Kasuga can you not use "grieving" but the correct spelling "griefing". It is not only confusing if the reader doesn't recognise the error, but distracting even if you do.

Pep (and dilutes the force of any argument you make)

So some are saying that we should allow every possible look that an avatar can take in, otherwise we are discriminating?

Let me give you a less emotive case - we run a traditional Japanese set of sims. Everything is laid out using feudal Japanese and asian design elements. You are saying that if ten people came in with dinosaur or massive space alien avatars on, that we don't have a right to ask them to change their appearance and leave?

We want our sims to be an immersive experience. Difficult to do that when you have sci-fi aliens running amok.

If you are saying that we should allow them to do whatever they want on our sims, then that, to me, makes a mockery of the whole of the point of SL. If you are saying that it's ok to discriminate against THEM, but not others, then where do you draw the line? Doesn't that then become a matter of taste and personal standards?

In the same way that you complain about others being intolerant, if people have spent a lot of time and money to build a themed sim, aren't YOU the one being intolerant by insisting on breaking that theme?

Don't get me wrong - I also draw the line at what I regard as tolerable, but I'm not going to impose that will on anyone else. If I go to a sim where they say "nobody with dark hair" then I have the choice of changing my hair, going bald, or leaving.and not coming back.

The fact is that, unlike in RL, you can CHOOSE to be anything you want, black, white, green, striped, furry, alien, monkey... whatever. Like I can choose in RL what clothing I wear and if I go to a club that says "no jeans" then I can expect not to be allowed in - is that discriminating against me?

SL is NOT RL because of that very significant difference, in my opinion.

/me is even *more* worried now . . .

Pep ( . . . for Windsweptgold)

Pulls out her couch and asks Pserendipty to please make yourself comfortable

I know the correct word is "griefing". But so much people use the word "grieving" I hardly feel the need to use it correctly anymore. But your right.

And I won't use the excuse of English not being my first language either.

Im almost convinced of opening a Confederate States of America RP sim where, if youre black, you ARE a slave or GTFO. Just for the foaming at the mouth reactions of you liberal agenda pushing morons who cant seem to tell the difference between whats real and what is virtual.

of course, i wish to point out, that you should run a little search on real estate, and take a gander at the LESBIAN OR GAY ONLY community's where you MUST prove your RL sexual orientation before they rent to youon sl.

go ahead libs, go scream about discrimination against non gays.

No?

Didnt think so.

Point is, you pay the money, its your frakkin sim, do what you will. Dont like it? Frak off.

If you have the faintest strands of black blood in you, slavery is so potently disgusting that you clench at teh very thought of it. My great-great gran came outta the West Indies and her family had been slaves. You dont need a history lesson but even role-playing slavery is hardness and a sense of total powerlessness that is not healthy' it's gut-wrenching horror. And it flies teh fcae of real family history and sense of personal independence.

Being gay male/female means you must be at least acutely aware of who else in your circle is also like yourself. To approach a straight woman or man and end up being vilified is too much to bear so gays seek communties that accept them. Often it becomes ghettoized. Libs dont scream at this, they just protest the viciousnesss of people who condemn gays for being gay.

Even here some standards should be met. Lindens promote a liberal viewpoint. It's what works in 2009.

Ah! You are a shrink! That explains it.

Pep (Knows several shrinks and all of them are crazier than their patients)

Not every black was a slave and not every black person can trace their roots back to it.

You proved my point though, at a double standard. Its ok for a non white non hetereo group to have an exclusive private sim or rental conditions or whatnot but reverse it and its a hate crime.

Equality means everyone is equal across the board, with no special treatment, quotas, conditions or whatever for anyone regardless.

gays, blacks, hispanics, whoever, that protest and demand special 'minority privileges' or quotas or whatever are doing as much to damage race relations as any KKK group.

Equal means 2+2=4 for all, not 2+2-4.3 for some

If you want to be pedantic, you should always quote "griefing" even when using it in context, because it's slang, "dig"?

Not gonna argue here. Gonna back away slowly and leave this thread well alone.

Can we PLEASE keep this to a discussion about SL and not let this RL stuff, that has been debated endlessly elsewhere, dominate this?

Yeah lets do that- especially since people are typing all this - its really doesnt make any sense at all to bring REALITY into equation.

Based on the Japanese anime I've seen, that would be perfectly normal.

Jig, I take your point, but I guess my point is that SL is nothing like RL when it comes to issues like this, as I said in my last post. The parallels just don't translate in my opinion, and therefore the arguments just don't hold sway in the same way.