Are Virtual Worlds the new place to discrminate in?

Well thank you for redefining SL for all of us. Maybe I should delete my account today, because I use SL entirely wrong.


How often does it need to be repeated: SL is NOT Real World!! No need for seeing eye dogs. No need for wheelchairs. No need for dragon avatars. It is your choice to appear as you wish. It is my choice to say you are not welcome like that.

Now I do use SL entirely wrong, as I mainly use it for commercial purposes, so I refuse no one. And I do not like discrimination anyway. But I am not getting those people trying to make-believe that SL is some mini RL...

I am confused. Is it possible to have a three legged avatar?

Pep (Or does the foot grow on the hand it is getting out of?)

The avatar referred to was not a child:

No, an SL meter is about a micron, that being the scale of the actual data on disk or in memory. But by definition a meter is a meter, to scale. If you choose to buy props from incompetents, go ahead, but don't think that changes the fact that you're walking around as a giant freak.
You get tired of being sent that script? Don't you think they get tired of getting asked stupid questions?
I hope you at least check their bloody profile before you ask.

Umph.

Real-life black person creates a black avatar and is told to change to white or leave a venue -> bad thing.

Real-life black person creates a black avatar and is told to change to white or disclose personal information to prove that they are RL black or leave a venue -> bad thing.

Random griefers setting their avatars to black and crying racism when they are ejected from venues -> bad thing.

I can't see how to avoid choosing one of these.

I think that there is too much intolerence, racism and violence in rl. Why do we have to bring it into sl?

And if not agreeing with someones opinions that intolerence is ok, is bigotry then so be it.

Bleeding hearts would do well to avoid fantasy worlds it appears.

Intolerance of intolerance is still intolerance, however you spell it.

Pep (Don't whinge about it here - go and do something about it in rl if you are so concerned)

I do campaign in rl, and unless thats a bot making comments then I believe thats what I am trying to do here.

If they're not obviously trying to look or act like a child, you don't need to ask. The rules apply to how they look or act, not how they answer an IM. It's not like carding at a RL bar, where a single day of aging makes a legal difference, and the ID is mandatory. If an av could easily pass for either 17 or 18, then LL isn't going to demand proof that the av is 18.

If you feel you must do something, then have a (passive) note card dispenser with your rules, and say something like "If your av is under x.y meters, please have something on the front of your profile saying that your av is over 18." Put a measuring device of your choice nearby. And then only enforce this rule on people who come back frequently.

You are wasting time here that could be much better spent in rl.

Pep (Or perhaps finishing school - the bit where punctuation is taught?)

I think many people here, on both sides, can't or don't distinguish between legal arguments and social/ethical arguments. I'm not sure if that's just imprecise writing or people really having trouble with one or the other ideas.

No, it's not a violation of either RL laws or LL's TOS to prohibit people in wheelchairs. But yes, this can have a real emotional impact on people who choose to use wheelchairs in SL because of some relevancy in RL, and we should be respectful of that. No, we shouldn't prohibit club owners from banning wheelchairs. Yes, we should try to discourage them from doing that.

I must have missed the bit that said grammer and spelling must be correct

This is the case in most modern countries. However, in SL we talk about avatars and not people. Wearing a wheelchair or a certain kind of skin (or even gender) is a choice. The avatar wearing a wheelchair might be an able person in RL, and the black avatar might be white. Do you really want to roleplay anti-discrimination laws?

I always knew you were a sexual object. You ask for sex and women object.

Isn't it obvious already?

Our own mindfucks we have in Real life, are seamlessly copied into SL, because SL is 100% made of those who live their lives in the human world.

Otherwise farmsex sims, wheelchair fetishes and other ill shit wouldn't exist in SL.

Secondly... People using wheelchairs in SL, probably wouldn't be in one in RL.

Why? Because if you really ARE in a wheelchair you can never leave in RL, wouldn't it be completely bullshit to copy your own disabilities in a world where you can shape yourself as you like? Who would ever LIKE to be living in a wheelchair. I never met anyone walking on two feet, wishing they were paralyzed. If you know such a person, let him/her seek psychiatric help.

So racism, discrimination and other human social defects are also included. Sl avatars are still played and controlled by the one creating it. And the personality of this person will also remain within SL.

And I remain myself in SL, and I will bitch at you just as hard in SL about it.
Don't try to force people to become more like the person you want me to be. I am fine like I am now.

And if you are an owner of a club, and you hate/ban black skinned avatars, you have a serious social problem.

And it's probably the reason you are on SL in the first place. because nobody in RL will like to be near you.

I simply quit asserting an age. I've had people tell me my tall avatar is a kid and my short is adult. If anyone forgets why I stopped asserting my avatar's, or even my RL age... I have been successfully ARed by a griefer for ageplay in one of my adult avatars, exhibiting completely PG activity, during a PG event, and on PG land. (>_<

After that event, I wiped any numeric age related lines from my profile. My friends know how old I am in RL. And, if you ask just to know... I'm "old enough". If that's not good enough for you, I weep for you. You apparently lack something in your own life and and feel the need to fight your insecurities by nit-picking on the people around you. (=_=)

I generally go places sized appropriately. But, at a prim-meter height of 5'8", my tall avatar is where I draw the height line. I have no desire to be any taller than that, consider that avatar and height to be a well developed adult, and I expect anyone who sees me to understand. (=_=)

In our limited real world, people come in all heights, widths, shapes, and contortions. Why is it that in "Your world - Your imagination" people have narrowed things down to '+7-foot tall oiled bustmeisters are the only adults'? Really... Are our imaginations THAT shoddy? (>_<

Your avatar's appearance is entirely your choice.

The RL equivalent of not allowing an avatar into a venue because of appearance is not discrimination, it's a dress code. You can't sue Pizza Hut for discrimination if they ask you to leave because you're topless.

No one needs a wheelchair in SL. If they're riding one around in a club, and running into people, the club owner is not being unreasonable asking them to stop using it. It's no different from asking you not to ride your motorcycle on the dance floor.

Your avatar is not being denied access anywhere because they need a wheelchair to get around.

If your avatar's appearance isn't appropriate for a sim, change it to something that is. You may not like having to bump the height slider a couple notches, or changing out of your Optimus Prime avatar, but you aren't being discriminated against when you're asked to do so.

Why the pixels that make up an african skin should get more "legal" protection than those making up a furry cat? You are confusing RL with SL. Both cases are avatar choices we make, nothing more, not real genetics or people of flesh and blood. For example: Furries are not welcome in Gorean places because there are no furries on Gor. But the same logic would apply to, let's say, an RP of a fictional african indigenous tribe. There are no white people in such an environment, so white avatars would be banned. If you want to play there, get a black skin or leave. I cannot see why this should be any different.

And then there are people who simply don't *like* furries or whatever. If they harass me, I can AR und mute them and go away. Why should I go there in the first place?

You mean because their avatar is black? You really don't know what they are in RL.

In RL we unfortunately need laws to keep discrimination at bay, it would be nice if we didn't, but people's right to make a living, live where they wish and even live, period, were threatened.

SL isn't RL, and no matter how much one says "My avatar is Me", it isn't. Someone earlier alluded to LL considering a person's Sim their home and just as you are allowed to decide who visits you in your home, the same applies in SL.

If someone doesn't want my avatar in their place for whatever reason, fine. There are plenty of other places to go if they don't want my presence or money.

@Imnotgoing Sideways,

Ageplay is a word which is not included in the dictionary. But state is as, having sexual play with another avatar, regardless of what that other avatar is.

If it was forbidden by the TOS to look like a child, they would force everybody the same height, and body style.

We all would be newbie avatars without the possibility to change it.

I play as a child Anime style figure, you know which one, the Unreal avatar. Sold in various places in SL. If that was illegal, Linden Labs would have banned KiKi no. 18 ages ago.

Still there, still going strong, and selling like crazy.

Why I want to be an anime doll style character that is small?

I wish to be the cute girl again like 20 years ago.
Anime dolls=cute. shortness=cute. frilly dresses=cute.

If being cute was against the TOS, they would have forced us all to look like 65 year old bikers with flies around their heads.

And yet, grievers, and other sick of mind address you as a pedophile, while I just stand fully clothed in Hanja, helping out newbies with their usual struggling.

I record these conversations, for if they make false AR's. But I never had one, while they all threatened to do so. But actually just want to troll the shit out of you, because it apparently is their hobby to make people feel bad.

So if you want to be a child in SL, act like one. SL is all about acting, and fantasy.
Who are you to decide what I should look like?

besides, I just want to look cute. And what is cuter than a doll faced little girl in a frilly dress? Some seem disgusted by my appearance, and complain, but when the sun goes down, they let themselves get humped in the ass by a low prim donkey on a sexfarm.

Whose the sick bastard then?

Ah! You went to one of THOSE sort of schools did you?

Pep (and your post is so self-referentially humiliating I couldn't do better)

I have filed for "intolerance" before but not because of my avatar (that would feel silly) but because of RL related things (racial slurs aimed at me as a person, not as an avatar). I am not sure if that "intolerance" category even applies to avatar looks at all.

It's always been the other way around actually, Brenda!

Pep (Assuming I am awake, that is . . . )

Once again a thread is dissed.
No wonder lindens wanna close this whole package down.

Amy, you cant win with this bloke. Sooner or later, the guffaws of teh sycophants will follow. Or teh grimy "oh not YOU again, look what you started." Do what I'm gonna do right now, have a cuppa coffee and prepare to meet the day.