Handling Neighbors Ban Lines

i have dealt with ban line fans that had a 'too bad so sad' attitude before. it can actually be great fun
if your IMs dont go well, then its time to take off the gloves.

add him and his visitors to your banlist
erect a wall on his side of the land. make your side pretty. make his side ugly, garish, and fullbright. enable light and use particles and sound. maybe even make up fake adcubes for his side of the wall.
get the anti copybot prim and drop it near the property line.
place a notecard giver and landmark giver near his property.
put a security orb near his property to warn him, even if it doesnt attack.
buy property on as many sides of him as you can.
megaprims can be used so effectively that i dare not outright say how.

wear him down. make his view so ugly and his sl so miserable that he will concede and drop the banlines.

Not the ban line thing again.

Again with the ban lines are ugly and ban lines bite and ban lines are spooky theme?

Enough with the whining about ban lines. If they're up and they keep you out then obviously you don't belong and you're not wanted there, plain and simple. Then you're going to be shameless enough to ask your neighbor to put you on their access list? You can't be serious.

You're actually going to ask to be inserted in someones elses place, most likely someone you don't even know to begin with so the big bad mean ban lines don't scare you?

Have you no shame?

fuck off wanker.
that is all.

Nina, Ricardo, this was a friendly thread by a first time land owner asking about something she had not experienced before. It really didn't need either of you pissing in it.

Ooooo you said a bad word!! Nina, you so cute but I bet you can do better then "wanker" give it a try.

Ban lines are the landowners prerogative and legal at that. I never said anything that's not the truth. I hate sugarcoating things and I stated it as friendly as can be on top of it.
I even smiled when I wrote it.

Do this BEFORE checking the 'Ban These Avatars' box...I banned myself from my own land because I tried to do it in the wrong order. lol

Gosh you have a lot of anger there.

Just because a neighbour doesn't want to have to sit looking at ban lines, doesn't mean they want to go wondering through others homes. I would guess that only new people to SL go around being nosey, probably because they haven't learnt yet about land ownership.

Nothing scary about the ban lines, just hard to live next door to and they ruin your enjoyment of land you pay for and nothing shameful about trying to come to a mutual agreement with neighbours.

Anyway, this thread has worked because if you read it all, OP has said the other landowner has agreed to sort it out.

This is the risk of mainland. I'd like to live on the ground if there weren't patches of 16sqm there. It doesn't bother me I live in the sky instead.

Ultimately, people can do what they like with their land - use of LL's provided tools does not constitute griefing.

This is true. I don't think that anyone would dispute that.
Ban lines are not griefing.
Ad farms are not griefieng either.

Both are ugly but ban lines are more intrusive because of their nature.
Use of the current ban line implementation displays a lack of consideration for neighbours and/or a lack of clue.
Inconsiderate and clueless behaviour is not illegal in RL or in SL. This is a pity in both cases.

An excellent point... I've heard of new residents (and even not so new) equally concerned that they might come home to find their possessions stolen, or be mugged for their L$. There's a lot we take for granted, but in some virtual worlds these sorts of activities are part of the game.

Another problem with banlines that might lead to some folks carelessly activating them is that you can't see your own. Which is great when you need them, but some people might not even realise how ugly they've made their surroundings just by using what they think is a normal and reasonable security feature.

thats why i have created a 'banline prim'. red banline textured phantom prim to face the offending property.

Granted ... but some people may have requirement for that privacy.

All of which are things you could be reasonably ARd for as harrassment.

Yes, so when you get AR'd to death you may thank Nina for her wonderful advice on how to be the biggest asshole neighbor in SL.

Back at my old residence I had banlines. When asked by a neighbor to take them down, I asked if they would take down their giant lag monster of a particle weather system. They said no. So did I.

You silly girl. SL is meant to be explored, a shiny happy world where we share everything, we all know each other. We should have nothing to hide from rude, prying busybodies...I mean "explorers".

just as they are free to do with their land as they wish, so am i.
i cannot be AR'd for a wall or a notecard giver or an anticopybot prim, etc.
the door swings both ways hey.

Soon as LL manage to purge the classified and group associated with the land I am on, which has suddenly resurrected itself and does not seem to respond to the TP being set on the ground instead of the air ... when I am not beset with people who turn up and ignore the security requesting that they leave, when I stop getting offensive IMs about "why is it in the classifieds then you stupid bee-hatch" then my banlines come down.

My neighbour is ok with the ban lines having to be there ... tho she wasn't cos suddenly one day she was taking her short cut through my place and got de-seated from her helicopter - she assumed it was aimed at her and banned me personally. As soon as I realised this, I sent her a nice IM asking what I had done and assuring her that whatever it was could we sort it out. She replied and said why ... I explained all the screwy things going on and she was pretty shocked as the classified place referred to went a LONG time ago.

I put her on access till the mess is sorted out, she took me off ban, we had a chat and realised we got on very well.

This is what happens if you are reasonable.

***edit*** sorry that looks like I was saying you're not. I wasn't. Saying no under those circumstances is also reasonable.

Actually Nina yes you can. Whether LL take action or not is another matter. It still is on your file.

Spamming objects are still spamming objects. Egregious behaviour is still egregious behaviour. Ban lines are provided as a land management tool.

Totally different thing.

A notecard giver that's handing out notecards to people not on your own land, objects that chat/shout onto other parcels, particles that leak onto someone else's land, etc. Those are all things that will be cleared up (eventually) when AR'ed or brought up in a support ticket.

You're only free to do as you wish when it concerns your own land.

well if that were your view then i can ar people for being male, being american, having an ugly build, belonging to groups i disapprove of, etc.

one cannot say one person has a right to do whatever they wish, then out the other side of their mouth tell me that i cannot.
i can ban whom i please, build walls if i wish, texture them how i wish (even with z flicker), i can have notecard givers and security orbs on my land, i can have particle snow if i wish...

that has not been my experience, from either side of the issue.
op should not be afraid to fight fire with fire if it comes to it.

Yes, you can, but when your spamgiver or security orb start harassing people not on your land, then you are clearly in the wrong. When your particle snow lands on someone else's plot you are clearly in the wrong.

Ban who you want, put up all the walls you want. But don't trespass on someone else's plot even if it is just with your spambots.

This is not good advice to be giving on a forum where people can read it. You're entitiled to your views Nina, if you did any of this to me I'd fight fire with the moral high ground and the OTHER tools provided to residents. The Abuse Report.

As to openly saying that you'd deliberately build with Z flicker, that's tantamount to SL treason on the aesthetic. Makes me very sad to see that people DO deliberately resort to such things - often before attempting a reasonable talk with the other person.

/me rubs the sleep out of my eyes wondering how this friendly, helpful thread got derailed while I was sleeping, especially since when I last left, I said the other owner would try and work it out with me.

It's what we do best.