Handling Neighbors Ban Lines

I just bought my first land, lovely waterfront. Nobody nearby has ban lines, seems that everyone trusts one another.

Today, I guess a new neighbor bought property behind me and has erected ban lines immediately, before even erecting his home or even building up his land (there is open water there now).

Worse, the ban lines obviously are an eyesore from my home and seem to be on part of my property. Is that possible?

I wrote him a very nice note, asking if he could make sure that he erected his ban lines properly, that they appeared to be encroaching on my land because I could not even get to the edge of my property without hitting into it and being told that I was on his land. Plus, it does look like the lines are on my land.

I've tried hiding said ban lines with landscaping which is helping to some degree, thankfully the lines are at the back of the house,which is more of a channel, the front faces the more open, larger body of water. And the bedroom has changeable glass panels on that side of the house, which can be darkened so I don't have to see them at all when in there (the other sides of the bedroom don't face it at all).

Truthfully this is a huge blight on the area, I can't imagine why someone who isn't even living there yet, and has not experienced any troubles with neighbors would automatically put these things up, especiallly in such a beautiful environment. It looks like a huge red box of lines floating over the ocean...ugh!

The ban lines will follow his property lines. They can't trespass on to your land.

Most people will, if you ask, add neighbors to the access list. Ask him to put you on the access list and they will disappear to you. Doesn't do your visitors any good.

He can't erect his ban lines any other way. They're on the boundary lines of his parcel and immovable. You can ask him to add you to his guest list so you don't see them I suppose. The lines appear to be on your land due to stupid OpenGL alpha ordering issues.

Be very careful and as diplomatic as possible when dealing with your neighbour, otherwise you could make the situation ten times worse.

If you're trying to cover them up, try not to use anything with alpha textures on your side, or you might make the problem visually worse due to alpha sorting (the ban lines could render in front of the alpha texture making them appear even closer).

If they are visible from inside your home, you have built extremely close to the property line.

What are alpha textures?

Well, I could not have know that, since nobody was there at the time. I have not completely set my house down yet, I guess I could move it up a bit, see if that takes care of it too.

Textures with transparency.

Click View > Property Lines to see your parcel boundaries. =)

Chris, I'm not sure what you mean. Does this mean that I will not be able to see the ban lines, but anyone visiting my house will?

Correct.

I did that already, but it's under the water, so kind of hard to tell once down there what is what, since the ban line obviously does not show down there.

Got underwater and find each corner of your land. Rez a post or a screen, something that will mark your land. Raise them up to where you can see them on top of the water. Maybe even put one in the middle of longer lines. This way you can work and once you have things set, you can delete the markers.

I should be online in a couple of hours. If you want I will help you.

Thanks Chris. I'll see if I can get back in again then. In the meantime, I sent him another IM, apologizing for being confused about the property lines - figured I'd smooth it over just in case. I also asked if we could maybe meet at some time, to find a solution which would work for both of us. So, we'll see...

There may be two things going on.

If you are "being told" something to the effect that you are on his property, when you are actually on your own land, then he may also have some sort of security device in operation.
Some of these devices can be set to warn anybody coming with x metres of them.
If that is the case then that would definitely be a cause for (1) polite IM, then (2) AR by yourself and a few friends if he does not reduce the range to be entirely within his own parcel.

If he has a security device and ban lines up, then he's clueless and/or paranoid.
In that case you will probably be met with incomprehension and maybe even red-necked abuse (even if he's not American!!!!
If you've really hit the jackpot, he's only speak some obscure language known only to five other people living in a remote valley.



As posted by others, ban lines do appear to encroach on neighbouring parcels. You will start to see them from well into your own parcel, depending on the darkness of the background to them.
(rant) The appearance of Ban Lines are an abominable in-you-face clusterfuck 'solution' designed by a techie with absolutely no soul or social skills (/rant).


Suggestions:
1) Send another polite IM explaining the issue. Say that you are banning him from your parcel temporarily so that he can see what ban lines look like to neighbours. Do it.

2) If no joy, the only way to hide ban lines is to erect a wall with a solid texture on it. 'Alpha' basically means 'transparancy', so the only prim that will hide the ban lines is a rectangle with a completely non-transparent texture on it. No soft edges!
You have a choice of textures to put on his side of the wall. I would suggest ignorant plywood. If you've got to use prims to hide his ugliness, then it's only fair that he has to use his prims to your matching ugliness.

Having him add you to his access list will not hide the lines from your visitors. It's not really a solution.


If you can't get him to remove his ban lines, your only option is to erect a solid screen right on your shared boundary.
Make it as pretty as possible on your side and as ugly as possible on his side.
Let him know that it is only there to hide his ban lines.

Ban lines absolutely do show underwater.
Walk towards his boundary and you will see them.

I wonder if what you are seeing (above water?) are actually SL Ban Lines ??


EXCEPT!!
If you are on the edge of a sim, and he is on the adjoining edge of the neighbouring sim, then you won't see ban lines at any altitude. You'll just get a system message if you try to cross. "Cannot cross region into a banned parcel. Try another way"
This is a real whammy when sailing

Sling, so far he only has ban lines up - there isn't even a house, or even land (it's waterfront property) hence my confusion why he'd even put any security up yet. Odd.

I hate the thought of having to erect a wall - it will block my view of the water from the back of my home - I'm surrounded on all four sides by water. However, I guess if push comes to shove, and I hope that it will not, I could always erect a nice bamboo fence with trailing vines and such, at least it will be attractive. And hope, that from the other side it looks like crap to him. I guess I can live with partially losing one view - I won't cry over that.

I did go up to my 2nd level and the ban line problem isn't so bad up there, because the palm tree fronds are doing a better job of hiding it for some reason. Plus, as I mentioned, that side of the house has a glass wall on that floor facing the back where the ban line is. So, the 2nd floor isn't such an issue.

Best case scenario I can see, is we meet with each other and I win him over with my charm, telling him what a quiet, nice neighbor I am and how I have no intention of ever coming into his land (which I don't) and he removes the ban line. But I don't expect that to happen. Being SL and all.

Worst case? Everything you wrote and I totally agree with you on the plight of ban lines. Awful things.

No, I'm being told that I'm going into HIS land (it has his name on it).

I hope at least one of those sides is protected, otherwise you could easily lose the views on all four sides if people buy/build on the surrounding parcels.

With regards what's happening underwater. That's a bit odd. Probably a rendering issue. The ban lines should be visible down there.

I'll agree that ban lines are annoying and can be troublesome if you happen to surrounded by them. However, there is nothing you can do other than talk to the person with the ban lines and hope that you can convince him/her to remove them. It sounds like the lines you are seing are the lines drawn for avatars that are not allowed are the SL ban lines and not some security system purchased by your neighbor (red lines are the SL lines) so I'm positive that those lines do not encroach on your property. You have absolutely no legitimate grounds for any Abuse Report.......don't waste your time (and LL's time) filing one as someone suggested. Ban lines are legal, pure and simple.

As to why somone might deny access to their property. Without getting into that person's head you cannot even guess. And that person is under no obligation whatsoever to tell you why either. Retaliating by putting up ugly textures on their is a choice.......but it's a childish choice in my opinion. It won't solve anything and could, in fact, esculate the problem. People don't like ban lines.........I don't like them either. But, I've had them up in the past around my property for my own personal reasons and anyone not liking it was pretty much ignored by me.........it was none of their business and I was not going to tell them either. There is not much you or anyone can do about it...........so find a mutaul and livable solution or learn to live with them. That is your choice.

Now, why would a person put up ban lines when they don't even have a house or anything built yet? How do you know there is nothing built yet? Have you disabled camera restraints and cammed up to 700 meters? Or gotten a flight feather and flown to that height and looked? People often put their homes high in the sky........I know I do. And, yes I do know the ban lines do not extend to that height but the ban lines could very well be in place to prevent people from placing objects on the land and reducing the available prim usage by the owner of the property. Many people do that for that reason. And, again, yes I know denying "object entry" will accomplish the same thing without ban lines......but some people don't know that. You might point that out politely to your neighbor.

The long and short of it is.......there is nothing you can do if the person does not willingly remove them. And whining here on the forums will get you sympathy from a lot of people. And even somj advice (good and bad). But mostly you will get sympathic stories about sailing or flying or ugly blights upon the scenery. Not much else.

My two cents.

Elora is on a sim edge. Along her plot is a small Linden canal. The land in the other sim is owned by a group which has had the land for a while and is using it as some type of teleport and shopping area. But they do have a large area of open water.

you are jsut going to have to live with it. build a wall.

my neighbors had banlines before building too. i tried to talk to them, but they ignored me. so i made walls.

noew i have advertisement on the walls, and they recently contacted me telling me the walls were ugly, and they didn't like having to look at them.

i told them i didn't like looking at their ban lines. i advised them to build a wall if it bothered them (make them use prims too)

they said they wanted the wall gone because they wanted to be able to see into my property, ot beautify their view.

i laffed. i once again reminded them of the ugly view they gave me with the ban lines.

they said "but we don't want you looking into our land".... but they want me to give up my privacy so they can see into mine?

LOLOLOL hypocrites!

Not sure if anyone has mentioned this yet (just scanned the thread), but sometimes people don't realize they have ban lines on.

I had them on by accident when I first had my own land.

Also, he might not have been back to find the IM.

coco

Interestingly, it's all protected land surrounding. I had bought 3 lots already, my home spans the middle of the 3 lots but it was a rather large house. There are 3 more lots in my row available, and I'm seriously considering buy at least one of them, the one to the west of me so that I have a clear view from that part of the house, which is the most open part of my home.

There is no other land available after that on my side of the water channel. The other side of my home, to the east - I did not build up the land completely, left a wider water border just in case I wanted to put in a dock for a boat - so there is a good buffer on that side for whomever goes to the east (I hope!) - but even if not, that part of the house does not have any living space overlooking that part of the land.

But, that west side could be an issue, although it is a small lot (512) and practically is touching the other neighbors property. That neighbor does NOT have ban lines (Nice Neighbor) - I want it for the sunset view, and prims

True on both accounts. It wasn't there yesterday, I just saw it today.