A Resource based Economy. The Zeitgeist Way.

of course you can, how could I ever compete with such logic?? as far as owning this thread, no, sorry to disappoint you. you only started the thread!!

If this is meant for me, then I`m sorry, but you`ve lost me there.
Can you explain pls??

That's the first troll on the internet. Rob Pike posted that message to net.suicide in 1983, posing as "Elizabeth Bimmler", and he and a few compatriots proceeded to trash the group out for the next several months with similar messages. I finally found a copy of it... it hadn't been showing up in search because apparently Google considered one of the words in it an "adult keyword".

See? I wasn't trying to be insulting at all. You're just coming across as angry and aggressive, which doesn't help anyone. I DID go to the Zeitgeist website and have been reading about it. It's an interesting concept but honestly, you're not representing it well. This quote is on your website: "I believe that unarmed truth and unconditional love will have the final word in reality". -Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. *shrug* Must not apply to everyone.

Yes you`re right. I started the thread and can report any hijacking etc.

Purpose
The purpose of the Second Life Forums is to promote discussion and education about Second Life. We believe in an honest and open free exchange of ideas, and in always maintaining a respect for the opinions and positions of other people.


All I ask is a little respect and on topic replies.

If you are off topic or offensive or lack respect, I can report your post or deal with you myself. I`m far from a push over. So if you want to end it here, you will not risk making yourself look a pompous fool.

I`m not angry or aggressive at all. I`m just giving you a taste of your own medicine.

Glad you took the time to visit the links I provided and that you find it quite interesting.

Just a shame you did not say that from the start.

IBTL


In German, the word has more layers of meaning than the English translation, including the fact that Zeitgeist can only be observed for past events.

I think your project would be very interesting. My advice would be to start out with a weekly presentation, followed by an open discussion period.

Second Life would be a perfect place for this, as you can form a group here, and the foundation of that group is whatever the group says it is.

One could practice resources based economics on whatever scale the group's resources would allow, which would be an interesting exercise of itself ... and while Fresco's ideas have always seemed a bit pie-in-the-sky to me, it would be very interesting to see a group formed here in Second Life, and see if that group could overcome two big hurdles of resourced based economics: Getting people to buy in in to the notion that all resources are communal, and keeping the system from slipping into Feudalism.

Good luck with the plan. If you manage to get it off the ground, please drop me a note in-world.

Mickey Vandeverre,

Thanks for your great reply. I hoped I was wrong about SL and your reply proved it.
Good to know there are decent and helpful folk like yourself here.
Much appreciated.

I read your info. And I don't agree with your philosophy, but that isn't important. What is important is that you are NOT showing a good face to your movement here. While some have been snarky and dismissive, Oryx for one has done nothing but offer constructive advice, along with several others. If that is the medicine you want her to have a taste of, I'll have what she is having. I prefer it to the smug, arrogant and condescending brew you seem to be serving.

You want to to say something about post counts, go right ahead.

Pls feel free to report me!! Ive not been reported in over 5 years!! Respest is earned not given freely because one starts a thread. You have repeatedly came across in your own thread as the pompous fool.

Maybe you could start your revolution here:

http://www.habbodiscussion.com/

They might be more impressionable.

My own medicine? You asked for advice on how to get the word out; I tried to help out.

And what does it matter whether I find your "Movement" interesting? You asked for help; I gave it. It is irrelevant that I even KNOW about your "Movement."

And time travel leads to global causality violation!

Great reply and thanks for that Viciously Llewellyn,
You`re right about a few things. Pie-in-the-sky, buy in to notion, and Feudalism.
All these things require a huge change in attitude and way of thinking for the vast majority. But as I`ve said before, many people are already leaving the system as we know it. There is even a small group of people here in Wales, UK, who have been trying to get planning permission for a 90 odd acre, 9 dwelling , self sustained community. This type of planning has never been sought before and is becoming a joke. The planning office (local council) is having to re write their planning procedure as a result. The group is called `Lammas`.
But these people and others who have already got out of the `System` are really nice,respectable people who don`t need `buy into a notion. Fresco`s ideas are what their dreams are made of. So there are already many millions of people out there just waiting for someone such as Fresco and `The movement` to lead the way. Once we become the majority (and it WILL happen) the rest will follow and the government will fall apart because there will be no one left to govern LOL. I can`t wait.
But , yes, the transition will be the most difficult to overcome.

PS I will gladly look you up.
Cheers
Spiritoftheage.

Well, I am not sure how one's playing online games has anything to do with it but I have seen this movie...check out the list of keywords. The movie is presented at times in a hypnotic way that I found disturbing.
http://www.archive.org/details/Zeitgeiz

Keywords: Marketing; Media Manipulation; Patent; Privatization; Public Relations; Sweatshop; Treason; Corporate Corruption; Environmental Activism; Advertising; Historical; Political Activism; Political Protest; Corporation; Business; Censorship; Corporate America; Corporate World; Corporation; Environmental; beyondtreason; beyond treason; Exploitation; Fascism; Globalization; Journalism; Company; boss; chief; religion; religious; moral; Conservatism; conservative; Republican; Democrat; Hypocrit; Formaldehyd; fbi; fascism; corporate fascism; politics; historical; psychological; sociological; health; medicine; secret; research; biblical; weapons; secret; control; market; corporate; fascism; interest; commercial; profit; have; have-not; modern; weapon; financial; dominance; desire; media; political; politics; vertov; machinery; war; conciousness; riefenstahl; britain; china; america; camera; video; reclaimdemocracy; globally; control of markets; manufacturing; marketing; media; journalist; journalism; newspaper; news; magazine; corporatism; britain; bureaucrats; british; obey orders; staff; ethnic; ethnic origin; human; ressources; inhumanity; evil; community; apocalyptical; apocalypse; nwo; new world order; bank; world bank; president; king; revelation; Beijing; Corporatism; endgame; china; productivity; People; Liberation Army; PLA; enterprise; commercial ; contractor; medical; cia; services; military; Sparky the Dog; Narciss; revelation; beast; Princess the Cat; toys; Motorola; telecommunication; General Motors; tianjin; humanity; pudong; boeing; aerospace; defense; ibm; microsoft; nsa; at&t; socialist market system; corporatism; america; depression; dust bowl; reemergence of fascism; information; information age; nazi; communist; party; republican; History; Domination; GMO; Terror; Submission; Eugenics; Wohlberg; Rockefeller; Bilderberg; Fearmongers; Genocide; 911; Population Control; Populationcontrol; antichrist; nixon; ford; reagan; bonjovi; clinton; obama; osama; paul; bush; amazingdiscoveries; lasch; subconcious motivations; motivations; society; historical; cultural; Elite; democracy; robert reich; lawyer; academics; journalism; broker; banker; professional; manipulation; manipulate; violence; privileged; meritocracy; freedom; competence; talking classes; intelligent; freud; church; corporate; spirit; sales; alternet; tradition; control

I apologise OT. Your first post was very helpful but then some others posted way off topic and intent on winding me up. Then you come back with this post accusing me of being aggressive. I`m far from it.
Sorry if you felt insulted.

Please do, I would like to hear more about this.

I will be the first to admit that my understand of this comes from a single class I attended a few semesters ago, so I have the information presented by one professor, and only dug into it enough to get a good grade in his class ... while doing the same in five other classes.

I think it's why a weekly presentation of the basic ideas followed by Q&A, would be a good way to get this going. I think you will find interested people that have your level of understanding, but I think you will find a lot more, like me, that have really only a small taste, and would be interested in learning more. Weekly would be a reasonable investment of time, and allow time to digest what was learned the previous week.

Oh boy. You can't get off Help Island and yet you're ready to charge off and save the world?

Sigh. Well, OK, I'll help you with the first step.

Look around for a bright green beacon of light shooting up into the air, along with a huge green rotating sign that says, EXIT.

Go there. At the base of the beacon is a billboard that says "Ready to Experience More of Second Life?". Left click the billboard.

A new window will appear on your screen. This is a "landmark", an item we use to teleport to different places. Click the Teleport button in the landmark window.

Now you are off the island, and at a crowded Welcome Area. Open Search, by clicking the button at the bottom of your screen. Click the Groups, or Places, or the All tab, and enter a search term. When you find something that looks interesting, teleport there.

Now, go have fun saving the world. But don't bother me about it, I'm too busy having pixel sex to be interested.

No problem. SL requires a thick skin. Good luck with your project. I honestly do think that you might get some interest. Just takes a little work on your part. SL is a big place and it's easy to get lost.

Thanks and take care.

Spiritofhteage

Hm.

Well. Nonconformist has succeeded a bit in the primary mission: I have never even *heard* of this movement before.

Not that it will phase me much. I've bought in *deep* into concepts like USD and $L. Those ideas work great. Show me something better that actually works though, and I'll be all over it.

As for SL, it's not really feudalistic at all; it's more of a corporativist dollar democracy at the most basic: one dollar, one vote. This tends to make it 'undemocratic' in terms of what people consider a real world democracy.

Those who arrived early and prospered tended to capitalise on their advantage, thus leaning the grid a bit toward aristocracy. In particular the more modern meaning of that term, described as a "USA" originating notion, here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aristocracy_(class)#History

Not saying that's how things should be, but... it's kinda how it is.

As for your movement... I don't see it succeeding in SL unless it existed parasitically on top of systems that live and breathe money. Not saying you shouldn't try, though!

Easy when you know how !!! Sorry to interrupt your pixel sex.

Now for the difficult bit. How to motivate others to save themselves from paid slavery and open their minds and eyes to the illegal plundering of the worlds resources.

Just curious... how is it illegal?

Interesting little `twist` there. Thanks for the different perspective.