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Imnotgoing Sideways
Can't outlaw cute! =^-^=
Join date: 17 Nov 2007
Posts: 4,694
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11-19-2008 20:19
I can think of one reason why a person with a child av needs to be stark naked and that is to work on their appearance. Judging by the looks of many child avs they really need to take their clothes off and get serious and look at what they have created. Some of you may remember the LL created child av which was something straight out of a monster movie   . . . =^-^= _____________________
Somewhere in this world; there is someone having some good clean fun doing the one thing you hate the most. (^_^)y
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Susie Boffin
Certified Nutcase
Join date: 15 Sep 2004
Posts: 2,151
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11-19-2008 20:36
The problem is more the mesh, not anything us kids do. You got flawed tools, you get flawed results. When role playing bathtime, it would make sense to me -- as one example. Marianne I have messed around with sliders and have created some realistic looking child avs but they are not 3 feet tall. 4' 5" seems to be the minimum without turning into a deformed dwarf _____________________
"If you see a man approaching you with the obvious intent of doing you good, you should run for your life." - Henry David Thoreau
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Susie Boffin
Certified Nutcase
Join date: 15 Sep 2004
Posts: 2,151
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11-19-2008 20:42
Mari!! .... Hold me back!! .... I'm gonna do it again!! (>_< . . . =^-^= huh? _____________________
"If you see a man approaching you with the obvious intent of doing you good, you should run for your life." - Henry David Thoreau
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Imnotgoing Sideways
Can't outlaw cute! =^-^=
Join date: 17 Nov 2007
Posts: 4,694
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11-19-2008 20:45
huh? Something..... uh.... happens to me, when kid/loli avatars and clothing becomes the subject. =^-^= _____________________
Somewhere in this world; there is someone having some good clean fun doing the one thing you hate the most. (^_^)y
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Susie Boffin
Certified Nutcase
Join date: 15 Sep 2004
Posts: 2,151
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11-19-2008 20:52
Nehehe... You missed those threads. =^-^= Something..... uh.... happens to me, when kid/loli avatars and clothing becomes the subject. =^-^= Something happens to me when a forum post deals with other people's looks and behavior. I tend to post a lot. _____________________
"If you see a man approaching you with the obvious intent of doing you good, you should run for your life." - Henry David Thoreau
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Dakota Tebaldi
Voodoo Child
Join date: 6 Feb 2008
Posts: 1,873
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11-19-2008 21:04
*throws popcorn at Immy's head*
Hey - down in front! _____________________
"...Dakota will grow up to be very scary... but in a HOT and desireable kind of way." - 3Ring Binder
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Imnotgoing Sideways
Can't outlaw cute! =^-^=
Join date: 17 Nov 2007
Posts: 4,694
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11-19-2008 22:00
*throws popcorn at Immy's head* Hey - down in front! _____________________
Somewhere in this world; there is someone having some good clean fun doing the one thing you hate the most. (^_^)y
http://slurl.com/secondlife/Ferguson/54/237/94 |
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Dakota Tebaldi
Voodoo Child
Join date: 6 Feb 2008
Posts: 1,873
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11-20-2008 04:25
/me moons you! =^-^= *throws popcorn at....uh, nevermind* See? Mooning is an example of non-sexual nudity with....wait, Immy's not a child av anymore. Well, shoot... _____________________
"...Dakota will grow up to be very scary... but in a HOT and desireable kind of way." - 3Ring Binder
"I really do think it's a pity he didnt "age" himself to 18." - Jig Chippewa |
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Rhian Svenska
Registered User
Join date: 18 Jan 2008
Posts: 17
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child skin vendors
11-29-2008 18:13
Given that full nudity is allowed for child av's, it was surprising to me to have my child shape/skin/avatar vendor returned to me last weekend. It had a photo of the avatar, not even nude (wearing panties), and garnered me an email warning from LL under the "broadly offensive" section of the community standards.
Given that I'd done my research, found out that child av nudity was allowed as long as it wasn't linked to or in proximity of sexual themes, as well as having seen other child avatar vendors using topless photos, I assumed my vendor would be ok. But no, evidently a photo of an avatar dressed like RL children on the majority of the world's beaches fits the same category as depictions of rape and graphic violence. As an aside, I find it interesting that the prolific abduction, rough sex, rape at gunpoint, impaling women on spikes, and skewering them for roasting over a fire animations, objects, and product photography on those vendors evidently does not qualify as a violation of that same clause. So...assuming there was a mistake made, I opened an appeal. No go on that, my warning still stands and I've additionally been ordered to ensure that all of my child skin vendors only show the avatar fully clothed. P.S. To be clear, the vendor was in a mature-rated private sim, had approval from the owner, did not picture the avatar in a sexualized fashion, and was not located near any sexual or violent items or themes. And the photo showed her wearing panties. |
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TigroSpottystripes Katsu
Join date: 24 Jun 2006
Posts: 556
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11-29-2008 18:28
that is sick (I'm talking about the freaks filling false abuse reports)
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Imnotgoing Sideways
Can't outlaw cute! =^-^=
Join date: 17 Nov 2007
Posts: 4,694
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11-30-2008 08:01
Skin vendors showing skin... What a concept! (T_T)
I weep for the society that has somehow determined that there is no greater moral harm caused by the act of exposing a female nipple. (T_T) _____________________
Somewhere in this world; there is someone having some good clean fun doing the one thing you hate the most. (^_^)y
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Imnotgoing Sideways
Can't outlaw cute! =^-^=
Join date: 17 Nov 2007
Posts: 4,694
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11-30-2008 08:40
I'm relaying this for a friend:
for a nipple? I would be quite worried if a child I had was nippleless, I find Removal broadly offensive. I also find it broadly offensive that someone found it broadly offensive. They find it offensive because they see it as a sexualization when in fact it means they sexualized said thing in their mind on their own. instead of "oh nice skin" they thought "Oh that's erotic! I must have such a thing cleansed from the grid!" Clearly theese people are all pedophiles, having sexual attractions to teens while in highschool! I bet they even kissed and had sex after a prom! feel free to quote me as "Friend" or anon or whatever and use this scarstic rambling I'll close with this. It's all about spin, everything is spin period. you make someone think what you want them to think and make them believe it's their idea or for their safety, any 'leader' and I use that term generally knows that. LL tries to spin for example but they quite frankly suck at it since they doo it suddenly and fast on a scale that's too large. It's Like if the goverment just came out one day and said "Alright listen up people all left handed people with brown eyes will be executed, that is all have a wonderful day." One more thing People try to stir up s*** because Humans by nature need to 'feel good' about themselves in modern society, always "Oh am i better than so and so or do I have the best whatcha-ma-call-it?" if someone can see something they find beneath themselves tampered with they feel enjoyment from that suffering of the victim party on some lever. "Oh see? you're wrong and I'm right you naughty naughty person." you can post that and see people grasp at justification and rationalization _____________________
Somewhere in this world; there is someone having some good clean fun doing the one thing you hate the most. (^_^)y
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Marianne McCann
Feted Inner Child
Join date: 23 Feb 2006
Posts: 7,145
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11-30-2008 11:38
Given that full nudity is allowed for child av's, it was surprising to me to have my child shape/skin/avatar vendor returned to me last weekend. It had a photo of the avatar, not even nude (wearing panties), and garnered me an email warning from LL under the "broadly offensive" section of the community standards. Given that I'd done my research, found out that child av nudity was allowed as long as it wasn't linked to or in proximity of sexual themes, as well as having seen other child avatar vendors using topless photos, I assumed my vendor would be ok. Robin Sojourner also had her vendors returned last night. This makes me a very very angry kid indeed. _____________________
 "There's nothing objectionable nor illegal in having a child-like avatar in itself and we must assume innocence until proof of the contrary." - Lewis PR Linden "If you find children offensive, you're gonna have trouble in this world  " - Prospero Linden |
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TigroSpottystripes Katsu
Join date: 24 Jun 2006
Posts: 556
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11-30-2008 11:41
people filling false abuse reports should have their accounts suspended due to the suspicious of being minors, this is so immature of them...
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Rhian Svenska
Registered User
Join date: 18 Jan 2008
Posts: 17
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11-30-2008 12:43
Robin Sojourner also had her vendors returned last night. This makes me a very very angry kid indeed. Unbelievable. I've seen hers, and like mine, you gotta be pretty warped to think them offensive in the least. At least LL is being consistent in their inconsistency. Maybe we should hire live AV models to stand next to our fully-clothed skin vendors, since child AV nudity isn't banned. Or I should take a clue from my customers who use my avatar to portray a boy....Same skin, same shape, different hairstyle and wearing baggy swim trunks. That's what irks me about this whole thing.... the torso of a pre-thelarche girl and a boy are indistinguishable. But somehow one is broadly offensive, the other is not. As a side note to the poster talking about false AR's......keep in mind that this was upheld on appeal, so wasn't just a new Linden knee-jerking to a false AR. Harry returned the items, the warning was issued, I appealed, and Harry verified that the action was just. I just wish they'd all get on the same page regarding what the rules are here and state them clearly, so that people like me who actually believe that a site's owner has the right to make whatever rules they wish can actually follow them. This is absurd. I'm not the rule-breaking type, and I researched LL's stance on this before I even started. I took care to remain within the boundaries that were evident based on what has been publicly said, not that any of it was easy to find. And, when I got my warning, the community standards rule I apparently broke was quoted to me...and appears NOWHERE in the published set of community standards. That's what gets me the most. According to the published TOS/CS rules, there was no violation that I can see. My warning letter quoted a rule that doesn't even exist in the TOS or CS. In essence, I got a black mark against my account because I'm not a mind-reader. |
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TigroSpottystripes Katsu
Join date: 24 Jun 2006
Posts: 556
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11-30-2008 13:05
btw, can the Ls really verify these accusations? isn't it like against the law to witness child-porn? (like if they went to check the thing and it actually had true child porn showing)
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Marianne McCann
Feted Inner Child
Join date: 23 Feb 2006
Posts: 7,145
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11-30-2008 13:24
That's what gets me the most. According to the published TOS/CS rules, there was no violation that I can see. My warning letter quoted a rule that doesn't even exist in the TOS or CS. In essence, I got a black mark against my account because I'm not a mind-reader. More than that, a black mark for something you (and Robin) were told *was* acceptable previously, and for which there was no warning given of any rule change. I am also reminded of a certain other avatar on these forums who faced an AR recently for "ageplay" when she was at a building competition and was not a child avatar. This just isn't right. _____________________
"There's nothing objectionable nor illegal in having a child-like avatar in itself and we must assume innocence until proof of the contrary." - Lewis PR Linden "If you find children offensive, you're gonna have trouble in this world " - Prospero Linden |
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Imnotgoing Sideways
Can't outlaw cute! =^-^=
Join date: 17 Nov 2007
Posts: 4,694
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11-30-2008 13:30
Robin Sojourner also had her vendors returned last night. This makes me a very very angry kid indeed. I'm feeling physically ill after reading this. Something has gone terribly wrong. _____________________
Somewhere in this world; there is someone having some good clean fun doing the one thing you hate the most. (^_^)y
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Briana Dawson
Attach to Mouth
Join date: 23 Sep 2003
Posts: 5,855
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11-30-2008 13:32
btw, can the Ls really verify these accusations? isn't it like against the law to witness child-porn? (like if they went to check the thing and it actually had true child porn showing) This is not child porn. _____________________
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Toy LaFollette
I eat paintchips
Join date: 11 Feb 2004
Posts: 2,359
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11-30-2008 13:34
makes ya wonder when LL is going to start banning those who bought the skins.
Oh, that wont happen it will effect the number of accts. _____________________
"So you see, my loyalty lies with Second Life, not with Linden Lab. Where I perceive the actions of Linden Lab to be in conflict with the best interests of Second Life, I side with Second Life."-Jacek
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Marianne McCann
Feted Inner Child
Join date: 23 Feb 2006
Posts: 7,145
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11-30-2008 13:35
makes ya wonder when LL is going to start banning those who bought the skins. Given I wear the original beta of those skins, they'd best start with me. _____________________
"There's nothing objectionable nor illegal in having a child-like avatar in itself and we must assume innocence until proof of the contrary." - Lewis PR Linden "If you find children offensive, you're gonna have trouble in this world " - Prospero Linden |
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Toy LaFollette
I eat paintchips
Join date: 11 Feb 2004
Posts: 2,359
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11-30-2008 13:44
Given I wear the original beta of those skins, they'd best start with me. mine comes from body politik, I wonder if they are still there..... could it be just another of LL's ways trying to drive child avs out? Who knows LL is not well known for common sense. Just numbers. _____________________
"So you see, my loyalty lies with Second Life, not with Linden Lab. Where I perceive the actions of Linden Lab to be in conflict with the best interests of Second Life, I side with Second Life."-Jacek
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Rika Watanabe
Highly improbable
Join date: 3 Jun 2008
Posts: 245
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11-30-2008 14:47
/me considers a tattoo saying "ADULT".
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Kidd Krasner
Registered User
Join date: 1 Jan 2007
Posts: 1,938
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11-30-2008 15:20
btw, can the Ls really verify these accusations? isn't it like against the law to witness child-porn? (like if they went to check the thing and it actually had true child porn showing) Not if it's turned over to the police immediately, at least in the US. But this isn't really relevant. As far as I know, avatar graphics can't be child porn in the US. They might be illegal obscenity, but that's a different set of laws, more difficult to prove. There could be real child porn showing on a texture or video, but that wasn't the case here. |
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TigroSpottystripes Katsu
Join date: 24 Jun 2006
Posts: 556
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11-30-2008 15:36
but the thing is they can't know before looking at it, and depending on the accusations, contained int he abuse report there could have been such suspicious, no?
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