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Marianne McCann
Feted Inner Child
Join date: 23 Feb 2006
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09-19-2008 07:40
Besides, the lure of SL, to a kid, is the simulated sex and violence. By intentionally sequestering themselves in an avatar that effectively blocks them from participating in those things, a kid would have absolutely no reason to stay here. Kids want to play a GAME, not sit around and talk - they've got cell phones for that. Well put. the lure is to get into the "excitement." You don't get that excitement by sitting on the (virtual) playground _____________________
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Windsweptgold Wopat
Registered User
Join date: 24 May 2007
Posts: 1,003
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09-20-2008 16:59
The mistake you're making is thinking that kids who want to play SL will recognize their own behavior as "young" and something that needs to be hidden. I'm not a RL kid anymore, but I was one not very long ago. And I can say with some certainty that a kid's definition of "childish" or "immature" is "something that kids younger than me do". Kids and teens do not think of themselves as "children", they think of themselves as short adults, and seriously bristle at the suggestion that the things they do are "childish". I think I can safely say that it would never, ever occur to a kid sneaking into SL that "hmmm, people might notice something young about my talk and actions, so I better make myself a kid av so people won't get suspicious". That's just not the way they think. They'll think they can fit in just fine with all the adults. Of course that's not true - people who type like Jumpman Lane, for instance, will usually make people think, "kid". But a kid won't understand that. Besides, the lure of SL, to a kid, is the simulated sex and violence. By intentionally sequestering themselves in an avatar that effectively blocks them from participating in those things, a kid would have absolutely no reason to stay here. Kids want to play a GAME, not sit around and talk - they've got cell phones for that. Maybe the kids i know in RL are not as smart as the ones you know or the kids i have found in SL. Even as a child AV be it RL under age or not they have been in mature areas where graphic SL activities are going on. One girl, 14, was admitting in open chat she was a kid but "mature and experienced " as she was telling men who were willing to play with her. The men who i spoke to said "so what if she is a kid her parents must not give a shit whats she is up to so why should i" Both were reported to SL Again I ask If one wants to play a kid why would they be in adult sexual areas? |
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Dakota Tebaldi
Voodoo Child
Join date: 6 Feb 2008
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09-20-2008 17:09
Maybe the kids i know in RL are not as smart as the ones you know or the kids i have found in SL. Even as a child AV be it RL under age or not they have been in mature areas where graphic SL activities are going on. One girl, 14, was admitting in open chat she was a kid but "mature and experienced " as she was telling men who were willing to play with her. The men who i spoke to said "so what if she is a kid her parents must not give a shit whats she is up to so why should i" Both were reported to SL Again I ask If one wants to play a kid why would they be in adult sexual areas? My opinion is that anyone who uses a kid av, then solicits sex while claiming to be a RL minor, is 1) probably not a kid, 2) obviously has some serious issues, 3) and definitely needs to be AR'd. Someone who claims to be a RL minor even without those other things is either incredibly stupid or likely has questionable intentions; in either case, they really don't belong on SL. That said, such people aren't germane - even the thread title itself specifically says we're not dealing with sexual situations, or RL minors. _____________________
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Toy LaFollette
I eat paintchips
Join date: 11 Feb 2004
Posts: 2,359
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09-20-2008 17:13
Maybe the kids i know in RL are not as smart as the ones you know or the kids i have found in SL. Even as a child AV be it RL under age or not they have been in mature areas where graphic SL activities are going on. One girl, 14, was admitting in open chat she was a kid but "mature and experienced " as she was telling men who were willing to play with her. The men who i spoke to said "so what if she is a kid her parents must not give a shit whats she is up to so why should i" Both were reported to SL Again I ask If one wants to play a kid why would they be in adult sexual areas? For one thing, someone saying they are 14 RL in SL should be handled by LL. Also LL doesnt give any indication of what they discover. So some said they were 14 and assuming they are iisnt up to us, its up to us to only bring it to LL's attention. Hey, I have played a child av in SL for years so to avoid any sexual or adult situations. I do go to a few Mature regions but I am always careful to avoid any SL adult activities. Good grief if I was a RL child I honestly believe SL would be the most boring thing on the net _____________________
"So you see, my loyalty lies with Second Life, not with Linden Lab. Where I perceive the actions of Linden Lab to be in conflict with the best interests of Second Life, I side with Second Life."-Jacek
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Conan Godwin
In ur base kilin ur d00ds
Join date: 2 Aug 2006
Posts: 3,676
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09-21-2008 00:12
This reminds me of that story in Austrailia where everyone got all crazy about a nude kid on the cover of an art magazine. Here's a link: http://tinyurl.com/4jumt9 and that time when Marilyn Manson was accused of peddling kiddy porn because he had a picture of himself as a child sitting in the bath on the sleeve of one of his albums. _____________________
hateful much? dude, that was low. die. . |
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TigroSpottystripes Katsu
Join date: 24 Jun 2006
Posts: 556
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09-21-2008 00:42
a picture of himself? lol Xp
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Sunspot Pixie
dread heliotrope
Join date: 15 Jun 2006
Posts: 493
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09-21-2008 01:02
The mistake you're making is thinking that kids who want to play SL will recognize their own behavior as "young" and something that needs to be hidden. I'm not a RL kid anymore, but I was one not very long ago. And I can say with some certainty that a kid's definition of "childish" or "immature" is "something that kids younger than me do". Kids and teens do not think of themselves as "children", they think of themselves as short adults, and seriously bristle at the suggestion that the things they do are "childish". I think I can safely say that it would never, ever occur to a kid sneaking into SL that "hmmm, people might notice something young about my talk and actions, so I better make myself a kid av so people won't get suspicious". That's just not the way they think. They'll think they can fit in just fine with all the adults. Of course that's not true - people who type like Jumpman Lane, for instance, will usually make people think, "kid". But a kid won't understand that. Besides, the lure of SL, to a kid, is the simulated sex and violence. By intentionally sequestering themselves in an avatar that effectively blocks them from participating in those things, a kid would have absolutely no reason to stay here. Kids want to play a GAME, not sit around and talk - they've got cell phones for that. And the mistake you're making is thinking that since you've just recently advanced to adulthood, that you're in some special category who is blessed to know whats it's like to be a kid and what motivates other kids. We were all kids, in case you've lost touch with that fact. But by all means, keep speaking for "they". I find, that when people start speaking for "they" and "them", it's usually because their own argument is made of weak bricks. _____________________
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TigroSpottystripes Katsu
Join date: 24 Jun 2006
Posts: 556
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09-21-2008 01:20
for me, the kids disguising as kids sounds very unlikelly, in most cases it would go against the reasons that would make them want to use SL, though, there might be exceptions, in the end, I think that statisticly, a child av is just about as (un)likely to be controlled by a real child as any other av would be
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Waterstar Eilde
Registered User
Join date: 12 May 2007
Posts: 404
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09-21-2008 04:47
And the mistake you're making is thinking that since you've just recently advanced to adulthood, that you're in some special category who is blessed to know whats it's like to be a kid and what motivates other kids. We were all kids, in case you've lost touch with that fact. But by all means, keep speaking for "they". I find, that when people start speaking for "they" and "them", it's usually because their own argument is made of weak bricks. Goodness, what's with the vitriol? Don't you like young people expressing a viewpoint? Having only 'recently advanced to adulthood' doesn't mean there's a consequent lack of intelligence or considered opinion, any more than being the proud bearer of advancing years guarantees increased knowledge or wisdom. Yes, we were all kids, and my chronological childhood was a long time ago, but I remember my teen years with the clarity of yesterday. What Dakota says certainly rings true for me, not only on the basis of my own experience, but from my daily engagement with a wide variety of young people. Sure, it won't be everyone's experience, but then I don't believe that by using the third person pronoun 'they' that Dakota claimed to be speaking for the entire universe. Apart from that very well-expressed view, I concur entirely with Rika and spinster on this one. |
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Bowdie Baxton
Drow-Assassin-ChaoticEvil
Join date: 15 Nov 2008
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11-19-2008 01:46
after reading these post about wanting a child nude ava only one word comes to my mind from just seeing the post is: SICK!
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Day Oh
Registered User
Join date: 3 Feb 2007
Posts: 1,257
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11-19-2008 02:30
after reading these post about wanting a child nude ava only one word comes to my mind from just seeing the post is: SICK! I don't think that's what the thread is about >_> uhm texture baking don't work that way. (doesn't it?) is there really a tool to strip clothing back off an av from a remote client??? I don't think that's possible. I think you're worrying over a non issue. It does work that way unless you patch it, for whatever reason when the official viewer sets appearance it sends all clothing and skin textures in addition to the baked textures ...the risk that someone using a tool like sl proxy filters out the clothing layers to send a false AR on a naked child av that is only naked on his screen... Very possible _____________________
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Imnotgoing Sideways
Can't outlaw cute! =^-^=
Join date: 17 Nov 2007
Posts: 4,694
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11-19-2008 03:45
The only AR choice available is (Sexual)Ageplay... Child avatar nudity doesn't fall under that category by default. In fact, I have found a successful and stable mainland non-sexual nudist/naturist group that has been in service since well before I joined SL that has no restrictions on avatar size or roleplay asserted age. (^_^)
Also, as my own recent events have proven. An adult avatar can be ARed and successfully suspended for (Sexual)Ageplay as well. If anything, it can all be a matter of wording or a lack of investigation by the Linden responding to the AR. (=_=) So... In context, a child avatar can be seen nude and survive an ageplay accusation. BUT!!! In practice, anyone can be accused of ageplay if someone can stew up a likely enough story. (>_<  _____________________
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Toy LaFollette
I eat paintchips
Join date: 11 Feb 2004
Posts: 2,359
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11-19-2008 06:29
after reading these post about wanting a child nude ava only one word comes to my mind from just seeing the post is: SICK! bored troll _____________________
"So you see, my loyalty lies with Second Life, not with Linden Lab. Where I perceive the actions of Linden Lab to be in conflict with the best interests of Second Life, I side with Second Life."-Jacek
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Marianne McCann
Feted Inner Child
Join date: 23 Feb 2006
Posts: 7,145
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11-19-2008 08:32
after reading these post about wanting a child nude ava only one word comes to my mind from just seeing the post is: SICK! You're new around here, huh? _____________________
"There's nothing objectionable nor illegal in having a child-like avatar in itself and we must assume innocence until proof of the contrary." - Lewis PR Linden "If you find children offensive, you're gonna have trouble in this world " - Prospero Linden |
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Darion Rasmuson
Norsky
Join date: 21 Dec 2007
Posts: 431
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11-19-2008 08:37
And yet digging for old threads to add.. *that*?
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Lindal Kidd
Dances With Noobs
Join date: 26 Jun 2007
Posts: 8,371
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11-19-2008 08:39
after reading these post about wanting a child nude ava only one word comes to my mind from just seeing the post is: SICK! But being a chaotic evil assassin isn't? OHHHhhhkayyyy.... Mari, when you and Toy and Immy get done with your bath, I laid clean clothes out on the bed for you. _____________________
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Ann Launay
Neko-licious™
Join date: 8 Aug 2006
Posts: 7,893
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11-19-2008 08:57
Oh psht...you all KNOW children are never nude in RL!
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Day Oh
Registered User
Join date: 3 Feb 2007
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11-19-2008 09:00
Gah I didn't realize it was old either
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Tarina Sewell
Just Browsing Thank you
Join date: 20 Jul 2007
Posts: 2,180
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11-19-2008 10:38
The problem is not about having a need for a naked chil av but rather the risk that someone using a tool like sl proxy filters out the clothing layers to send a false AR on a naked child av that is only naked on his screen, if nudety in itself is, as I suspect, not an offence then that is not a risk. as a side effect it will help reduce some of the hysteria. there is a tool that makes you see naked people? |
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Lindal Kidd
Dances With Noobs
Join date: 26 Jun 2007
Posts: 8,371
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11-19-2008 10:44
there is a tool that makes you see naked people? Yes. Well, not "makes"...you have to tell it to do that. Long ago, I told anyone thinking about buying this gadget that they could just pay me L$1,000 and I'd peel for them and save them a bundle. Strangely, I've only had one taker. _____________________
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Imnotgoing Sideways
Can't outlaw cute! =^-^=
Join date: 17 Nov 2007
Posts: 4,694
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11-19-2008 10:45
But being a chaotic evil assassin isn't? OHHHhhhkayyyy.... Mari, when you and Toy and Immy get done with your bath, I laid clean clothes out on the bed for you. _____________________
Somewhere in this world; there is someone having some good clean fun doing the one thing you hate the most. (^_^)y
http://slurl.com/secondlife/Ferguson/54/237/94 |
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Imnotgoing Sideways
Can't outlaw cute! =^-^=
Join date: 17 Nov 2007
Posts: 4,694
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11-19-2008 10:47
Yes. Well, not "makes"...you have to tell it to do that. Long ago, I told anyone thinking about buying this gadget that they could just pay me L$1,000 and I'd peel for them and save them a bundle. Strangely, I've only had one taker. _____________________
Somewhere in this world; there is someone having some good clean fun doing the one thing you hate the most. (^_^)y
http://slurl.com/secondlife/Ferguson/54/237/94 |
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TigroSpottystripes Katsu
Join date: 24 Jun 2006
Posts: 556
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11-19-2008 14:51
after reading these post about wanting a child nude ava only one word comes to my mind from just seeing the post is: SICK! in my opinion the people who always associate "sick" behavior with naked children are probably way sicker than those who don't |
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Susie Boffin
Certified Nutcase
Join date: 15 Sep 2004
Posts: 2,151
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11-19-2008 19:27
I can think of one reason why a person with a child av needs to be stark naked and that is to work on their appearance. Judging by the looks of many child avs they really need to take their clothes off and get serious and look at what they have created. Some of you may remember the LL created child av which was something straight out of a monster movie
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Marianne McCann
Feted Inner Child
Join date: 23 Feb 2006
Posts: 7,145
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11-19-2008 20:14
I can think of one reason why a person with a child av needs to be stark naked and that is to work on their appearance. Judging by the looks of many child avs they really need to take their clothes off and get serious and look at what they have created. Some of you may remember the LL created child av which was something straight out of a monster movie The problem is more the mesh, not anything us kids do. You got flawed tools, you get flawed results. When role playing bathtime, it would make sense to me -- as one example. _____________________
"There's nothing objectionable nor illegal in having a child-like avatar in itself and we must assume innocence until proof of the contrary." - Lewis PR Linden "If you find children offensive, you're gonna have trouble in this world " - Prospero Linden |