The Garlic Necklace doesn't really work.

So now you are reading stuff I didn't even write either - where did I say I was being nice?

Oh now you are trying to make it sound like it is your argument stance which is the reason for me calling you an asshole - disingenuous. No I called you an asshole soley for your insulting comment - that alone.
Sheesh you are some piece of work.

You are the one denying you did anything - despite your post being there for all to see. You are only confirming how much of an asshole you really are by continuing this.

Obviously I wasn't being clear, because I was not even talking about my stance in the debate when I posed that question.
So you fail again. Are you being stupid deliberately?

Yes I think it is perfect clear where the stupidity is coming from too.

Since when does having an irrational point of view on one topic mean that one is irrational period? That clearly is your own invention. Most people are irrational about one thing or another in their lives; I am not sure why you think that is such a big deal. I didn't. My point was that, by SAYING things like "Does not matter, and we don't care, this is what we want and this is what we continue to want. Nothing is going to change that. All this persuasion is pointless." in a DISCUSSION forum is irrational. WHY BOTHER? I think we know what your point of view is. You've stated and re-stated it several times. If you REALLY DON'T CARE, then WHY ARE YOU CONTINUING TO POST?

THAT is what is irrational about it.



You tell me; I think things are perfectly crystal clear, myself. Not sure why you aren't "getting it".



I mean, you didn't have to say your snarky, condescending comment about people being obtuse/illiterate/stupid in the first place, did you? Nothing said warranted it at all and, yet, you did. You reap what you sow.

Amazing what ugliness one can see when shown oneself in the mirror, no?



Same here.

Are you really this stupid?
Lets tackle this simply for the moron:

What you actually did was quote my post and say this:

So you are referring to my post as the tell-tale sign of intractable irrationality. Irrationality of what? The post? huh? that makes no sense at all. The post is a tell-tale sign that the post is intractably irrational? huh? WTF? Are you shitting me?
No you meant the person who wrote the post, her point of view.
If I have an irrrational point of view then you are saying I am being irrational. How can I have an irrational point of view if I am not being irrational?
Sorry any way you care to spin it you were being insulting and we all know it.
Your best option is to say you didn't write what you meant and it was a mistake. That is far more believable than the shit you are just digging yourself deeper into here.

Really, you ought to take responsibility for what you started.

I didn't say you did, but the fact that you have to harp on it means you have something to prove, which was the point of the reply.



Making something sound like what it really is is hardly "disingenuous". Because you got your nose out of joint over it doesn't change that fact. Get over it. Or not. I'm happy to play, either way.



Why, thank you. I get told that by so many people that it has become a generic compliment.



The only thing I am denying is your idiotic interpretation of what I said, translating it into a personal attack, and responding-in-kind. The only thing being confirmed is how much of an idiot you really are by continuing this.

I'm perfectly happy to play the role of an asshole, if that's the only role someone CAN understand.



I see, so your use of "we" and "us" was accidental, then?



The only fail here is your own, and it has become rather epic. I am sure the popcorn vendor is going to be working overtime.



I'm glad we are in agreement, then. When you are through being stupid, let me know, OK?

So you admit I didn't say what you claimed. So why say it?

Umm no that "Is it clear?" question was asking if you have gotten why you were stupid yet - clearly after 3 posts including the question - you still haven't as you seem to think it is a different question. As for the rest - you don't even have convincing reasons to back why your post does not mean what it sure seems to mean to people who can parse English.
Yet you call me stupid. Well you don't even know what questions I am asking. Moronic Half-twit.


That someone would be you of course.
So you admit to being an asshole finally - at least that is progress.

Relating to your idea that solution like clients that auto decline.

That would be interesting to see, i wish we had more usefull client patches.

Yes, whilst not a perfect solution it would at least solve the second want on the list.
What would be better is if the Bloodlines own database was mined for the list of people as they came close to you, then to auto-mute them. Of course the mute list would need to be expanded allow far more people on it.

Here, let me help you understand. No, it's OK, really. Everyone is ignorant of the definition of words once in a while:

in·trac·ta·ble (n-trkt-bl)
adj.
1. Difficult to manage or govern; stubborn. See Synonyms at unruly.
2. Difficult to mold or manipulate: intractable materials.
3. Difficult to alleviate, remedy, or cure: intractable pain.

ir·ra·tion·al·i·ty (-rsh-nl-t)
n. pl. ir·ra·tion·al·i·ties
1. The state or quality of being irrational.
2. An irrational idea, expression, or act.

When you combine the adjective, in that sense, with the noun, it its sense, you get: a "stubborn, irrational idea/expression".

"We want what we want. Nothing is going to change it. All this persuasion is pointless." said in a discussion. Stubborn, unmanageable idea/expression. It's as simple as that.



No, if I meant the person who wrote the post, I would have said "YOU are intractably irrational." However, the point throughout my posts has been "you are saying that there is no point in discussing it, in a discussion forum". How many times does it have to be said before you "get it"? WHY keep discussing it? WHY keep responding? WHO are you trying to convince? If it is the way you all feel, then say it, let other people have their say, and then drop it. But, noooooo, that would mean that you REALLY didn't care what anyone else thought about it. In fact, if you didn't care what anyone else thought about it, you wouldn't be posting it in a DISCUSSION forum in the first place, right?

THAT is what is irrational. The fact that you keep posting it is what makes it intractable.



No, I am saying the point of view itself is irrational. Implicitly, it means you are being irrational about holding it, but that doesn't automatically indict you as being irrational in general. You are likely quite rational otherwise, and parts of what you say I DO and HAVE SAID I agree with. Hence, you getting your ass on your shoulder over it is misplaced.



If I was being insulting, it was AT MOST at the same level as what you put into your post when you referred to people who failed to accept your words as "obtuse", illiterate, or "stupid". I didn't take personal offense to what you said, until you offered personal offense by calling names. Up until that point, it was simply a disagreement about points of view.



No, I wrote what I meant. That YOU took it as something that it wasn't meant as is unfortunate, but hardly my fault. You could have taken the higher road and asked if I was offering personal insult, but that barn door to the empty stall is closed at this point.



I think it is beyond clear who started what, and by initially and repeatedly calling names, you've amply demonstrated it.

No, I didn't admit that you didn't say anything of the kind, so there was no claim to it, and thus, I didn't "say it".

Care for a round of Fizzbin? You're clearly not equipped for this.



Well, therein lies your problem. The stupidity isn't on MY part. I can understand it clouding your thinking though. Stupidity kinda does that. :-/

As for parsing English, See previous post.



I call 'em as I see 'em.



To be fair, YOU don't even know what questions you are asking.



*chuckles* OK, I'll bite, what's the other half?



Sure, I play a lot of roles, depending on the needs of the participants. If you act like an asshole, and want me to play that game, OK. I am only too happy to oblige, if it is the only thing you can understand.

@Talarus, you have just written a load of twaddle in the hopes of getting yourself out of the poop with obfuscation, not convincing at all. Why not be a man and just admit that the writing means what it says.

I'll repeat again what I wrote, with no little incredulity:



and



Neither of these have you even attempted explain one bit with your rather long and torturous post. You only attempt to convince me it means something else.

Let me sum this up in simple terms for you:

1) It would not make sense for your statement to be referring to the post as evidence of something and the same something.
2) If a post is irrational then it had to come from someone who is being irrational - deliberately or because they cannot help it - it makes no difference. It is calling the person irrational, ergo an insult - the starting insult in fact.

I don't need any help with my English and don't presume to tell me I cannot understand what you wrote for what it was. An attempt to insult someone without consequences. You are too spineless to admit it that.

Your fake smiles and *chuckles* just add to that grinning idiot image you are showing you really are.

I am going to bed - Talarus, if you have anything else to say, send it via PM, this has gone on too long as it is. There was an attempt to get back to the debate - I think we should let that happen again if possible.

Good night all.

Your comment is completely flawed by a non sequitur in your argument. Your own personal dragon dictionary might say that intractable means "don't care what anyone else thinks" but you won't find its meaning defined as such anywhere else. I can quite happily not care what anybody thinks about the taste of my cheesy scrambled eggs, but I experiment with changing the recipe for my own purposes.

Again, the definition in your dragon dictionary is apparently at odds with one from a less fantastical universe; if someone suggests that the sun rises in the west on the planet I live on (other planets are available, and you seem to be living on another one) in a discussion, then I am not being irrational to refuse to entertain that point of view.

Dan the rational Man

I'm not the one "in the poop", and I really don't care at this point if it convinces you; it doesn't have to.

If anything, you are now proving that YOU yourself ARE irrational, since logic and common sense seems to be eluding you in totality.

Just to clarify, I am far better than any mere "man", and I have repeatedly admitted that the writing means what it says, to your continued consternation, since it doesn't allow you to turn it to support your ass-on-shoulder position. Too bad; so sad. QQ

At this point, I think I SHOULD have said "YOU are intractably irrational", because it appears now to be the case. Thanks for reinforcing the obvious.



Repeating it won't change the response. That you don't like the response because it shows how much of an idiot you are being isn't my problem. "It does say that! Wah! Wah!" isn't a very convincing rebuttal.



They've been explained quite thoroughly. That you don't accept the explanation because it would mean you have no real reason for going on the personal offensive is your problem.



It doesn't. It refers to the post as what it is, intractably irrational. I can say it again, but I still don't think you will "get it".



How many more times do you want me to repeat it? Holding an irrational point of view is irrational, but it doesn't mean the person is irrational in totality. Do you keep your car from being stolen by locking the keys safely in the car? Do you do other things that make you generally irrational? It doesn't matter if you do or don't; the original message doesn't address that point at all. With respect to THIS situation, YES, you are being intractably irrational, because the point of view is an intractable irrationality. It doesn't disparage you in general as being irrational, ergo, it is not an insult, implied or intended.



Whether you can or not is up to you. It is quite apparent that you don't at this point.

Oh, I think the consequences, insult or no, were probably unavoidable with you, no matter what I say. It is, unfortunately, a consequence of dealing with idiots, or people who just generally want to be combative, and don't want to take responsibility for starting fights they can't finish.

That's not even remotely close to what I have described it as. See previous post for the definitions I am using from an (admittedly, American) ENGLISH dictionary.

Even in that quote I refer to the definition I am using ("you won't change", synonymous with "stubborn". Thus, your take is completely flawed from the quote itself.



That's nice, but it has NOTHING to do with my usage, nor my reasoning behind my usage.



No, but you ARE being irrational if you don't care what anyone else thinks about your "world", and still continue to post about it in a discussion, no? "I don't care what anyone here thinks, but this is my point of view!" Yeah, OK, then don't respond if someone posts what they think about your point of view because, otherwise, you do care.

See where it becomes irrational?



You should, you're "the rational Man", after all.

Oh, they're not fake. I am amused at your circus act, is all.

Encore! Encore!

Gabriel ... Talarus ....

Fight nicely or go to your respective rooms!

...... sheesh.

/me hands Solar some popcorn, "Don't worry. It's kinda part of the show here." *munch-munch* (^_^)

Look what you did Dakota!

I now realise that I have made a huge error. I have been treating you as if you *were* quite intelligent. I won't continue to make the same mistake. There is little point in explaining things to someone who is unable or unwilling to comprehend a rational argument.

Pep (Perhaps just for you I shall just use your technique of "no it's not"; you obviously find it sufficient for your purposes)

Having read most of the argument between you two.

I must say Talarus, I am quite dismayed, you may be very intellegent and have a good grasp of the english language, far better than my own.
But as a casual observer, who will not be getting into debate, your posts seemed to degenerate and become merely offensive and demeaning towards Gabriele.

Perhaps rational would indicate, turn the other cheek and not proceed to pass on insult.

I think you're projecting your own biases and idiocy onto me. There's RARELY been ANYthing that ANYone could consider "rational" coming from your direction, so your takes and criticisms about who and what is rational mean precisely dick.

Oh, I want to thank you in advance for not "explaining things" to me anymore; I can't express in words how happy I will be to be relieved from your misplaced (and misnamed) attempts at "education".



Well, it obviously works well enough for your supposed "daughter", whom you keep putting down at every opportunity (I would hate to be your offspring, Daddy Dearest), so I'm sure you find it quite "rational", being as she apparently is your secret role model for "proper" behavior.

At some point, when people just won't play nice, it becomes apparent that the only thing they seem to understand is the stick. I usually try to keep it on the up and up, but when someone insists on dragging it down, no matter what, I'm no stranger to just jumping in the pit and slugging it out.

If I became more offensive and demeaning towards anyone, it was because they kept asking for it.

Some people ask for it every time they post, because that is just their nature. Most times, I ignore it, but sometimes, I am more than happy to plop my scaley arse down and tail swat them into next week.

Sometimes, it is all people CAN understand, hence the point about combative individuals; they don't listen to or respect anything you have to say unless you ball up your fists and beat some sense into them. It's like trying to teach a bull signaling protocol with red flags. It's not the most egalitarian approach to communication and interaction, and it may not always be particularly effective, but it definitely is cathartic.

I know your sister stole your favorite toy, but you pulled her hair, so she got her friend to beat you up, so you called her a poopyface, then she kicked you in the shin, so you decapitated her favorite barby doll, and then she yelled "MOM!!!! TIMMY IS BEING MEAN!", and you said "NUH UH! SHE STARTED IT", "I DID NOT YOU DID!!", "NUH UH DUMMY!!", "MOM!!!!", "MOM!!!!!!!!!!"

You know what mom does?

She comes in and says "Shut up... I have a headache. Both of you go to your rooms and sit in the corner."

then you know what happens right?
The kids go to their rooms, but they do not sit in the corner, they log onto their pc's and haunt forums. (or play wow)