Sky News has a go at SL

The issue of protecting children was in the story, and again I stand by my opinion that the 'investigation' was poorly thought out, executed and reported.

Well, in the official response from LL, here,http://www.secondlifeinsider.com/2007/10/31/linden-lab-responds-to-wonderland-scandal/, Lewis PR Linden states that nothing there violated the ToS or CS. At least dirty chat isn't against the ToS or CS. Thank FSM. And if there was someone doing dirty things in a child av shape, no one else was there standing right there who would be willing to report it (the parties to it certainly wouldn't). Offering to do something dirty is not against the ToS, unless for example it amounts to harassment, i.e. in the form of unwelcome advances. Nothing in the news report, and apparently nothing in the AR's that were filed about this place, contained evidence of a person wearing a child av involved in anything graphic.

With a baseball bat?

How about Scumbag Douche Nozzle Fuckface Faceache?

Well... SL states in the TOS that they do not have a method to prevent children from accessing the main grid, or adults from accessing the teen grid,

The fact that LL doesn't have a method to prevent kids from accessing the adult grid should be the focus of these stories. That is the education the parents need, but I suppose it just isn't sensational enough to report.

...but are questioning the motives of any parasitic, muckracking "journalist' that is doing nothing more than taking a legitimate concern and twisting and sensationalizing it for purely his own benefit.

I am not really all that upset that the guy mentioned the simulated child rape... that is something I think is beyond vulgar and offensive, and LL should be policing that MUCH better than it has in the past.

Besides... who is to say that children who are accessing the grid aren't using child-av's, and thusly targeted by those who like to "play that game"?

Unfortunatly no one but the minors themselves know that.

I am not really all that upset that the guy mentioned the simulated child rape... that is something I think is beyond vulgar and offensive, and LL should be policing that MUCH better than it has in the past.

Besides... who is to say that children who are accessing the grid aren't using child-av's, and thusly targeted by those who like to "play that game"?

I don't think most people here are questioning the need to protect children from those who would prey on them, but are questioning the motives of any parasitic, muckracking "journalist' that is doing nothing more than taking a legitimate concern and twisting and sensationalizing it for purely his own benefit.

more lies, paranoid delusions and crucification. keep up the good work buddy

Thank you for the personal attack, it's been a few days since someone has thrown one at me. I was starting to get worried.

Who am I crucifying? Are you defending people who like to pretend to rape children in Second Life? I am certainly not paranoid, nor am I deluded in my belief that images of children, virtual or otherwise, are obscene and vulgar. Nor am I crucifying anyone by pointing out that if a child were to choose an avatar, they would probably go for something they relate to... a child avatar.

Did I strike a nerve?

Thank you for the personal attack, it's been a few days since someone has thrown one at me. I was starting to get worried.

Who am I crucifying? Are you defending people who like to pretend to rape children in Second Life? I am certainly not paranoid, nor am I deluded in my belief that images of children, virtual or otherwise, are obscene and vulgar. Nor am I crucifying anyone by pointing out that if a child were to choose an avatar, they would probably go for something they relate to... a child avatar.

Did I strike a nerve?

I am not really all that upset that the guy mentioned the simulated child rape... that is something I think is beyond vulgar and offensive, and LL should be policing that MUCH better than it has in the past.

Besides... who is to say that children who are accessing the grid aren't using child-av's, and thusly targeted by those who like to "play that game"?

no you didnt strike a nerve. what is obscene to you is bdsm to others. what you are suggesting are lies and your arrogant righteous attitude makes me sick to my stomach.

Quoted for truth.

He went for the easiest angle (heard about the German story an smelled blood), then hunted up whatever stuff needed to complete his piece.

FWIW, there are complex things about all this, too.

1. Wonderland (and its related location) provides at least some form of sexual ageplay. It may be purely sex-based, on contact, it may be otherwise. I personally am not gonna go find out either way. It does not, however, appear to involve any *real* children.

2. One can argue over whether this simulated stuff with child avvies leads to RL stuff. I personally suspect that in some cases it does, an in others it does not. Some of these folks involved are prob'ly more into some other fetish stuff, I dunno.

3. One can also argue over the "if they release their pedophilic urges here, they won't do it there" argument, or if SL would act as a "training ground" for this sorta stuff. I tink it would make a bad training ground, but I also would rather not have people doing that sort of stuff here, there, or anywhere.

4. LL is put in a bind with this, not because of potential legal implications so much as bad public relations. Really, they have no way to win. I understand why they have opted to keep this as under the radar as possible, but it has no made it easy, an may have contributed to the issues now. I'm glad for the LL PR on this, which I feel was a good statment given the circumstances.

5. As for the reporter in question and his story? Yellow journalism, plain an simple, but it sells. You won't find stories about the kids on the grid who aren't doing this stuff, as it doesn't sell.

6. There are issues with RL minors on SL. You won't find them playing kids, and you will potentially find them *soliciting* for sex rather than being out and out victimised. This is the real issue. The problem is that the average person *is* going to think "kids being molested on the grid? Why, follow those Mary Janes!" while forgetting that one can appear as *anything* in SL. IMO, the blame here may reside with the parents more than anyting, knowing too dat not all kids can be watched at all times.

Mari
(Who has now added a sentence from the LL response to her sig line)

Using images of children to engage in sexual activity is obscene, and vulgar. I will not post what I think of the idea that you do not agree, as I am trying to promote following and enforcing the TOS.

I highly recommend that anyone who comes across sexual age-play file an Abuse Report, contact the media, and alert the authorities.

How's that for self righteous?

you wont come across it because no one does it in front of you. But if you harrass people you suspect are violating ToS without proof then YOU should be reported for harrassment

I wouldn't harrass anyone. I'll let LL, the media, and the authorities do it for me.

Excellent post Mari.

/me puts a gold star next to your name.

I highly recommend that anyone who comes across sexual age-play file an Abuse Report, contact the media, and alert the authorities.

Well Burnman, Mari, who is a child AV and is active in the SL kid scene doesn't think there are many "kids playing kids" in SL.

you are out of your mind

Realistically I wouldn't even AR someone if they told me they were involved in Sexual Age Play.

Id stop associating with them. But I'm not the arbiter of someone's rights. Supposedly its protected by the first amendment.

Ive spoken out against sexual ageplay. I don't like it. But I'm not going to be the neighborhood watch. And im definitely not going to spy on my neighbor.

Id AR someone who claimed to have child porn. Id probably get someone with concierge support to try to expedite that complaint.

Id Ar a minor who was working as an escort.

I wont be turning in people who have poseballs in their non-adult restricted land. I know people who have sex poseballs on their PG land and I didnt turn them in either.

That disturbs me.

Simulated child rape is not an expression of free speech.

Interesting idea... an SL neighborhood watch... lol

I would expediate that complaint to the FBI.

Absolutely.

The rules are there for a reason. I absolutely would AR adult content in PG areas.