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Colette Meiji

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10-11-2007 14:23

From: errUh Oh

sorry i read this part and assumed you were saying something about our future on the planet since thats what Michael was discussing, which you responded to? so i assumed you meant people would stay home and not interact or procreate? or are you just mourning social change?

"it won't be long before you'd never have to leave your home due to increasing VR related games and the like. sometimes society doesn't realize whats happened to them until it's too late."

This Sci-FI future web would have to become pretty darn immersive to affect human species survival.

Considering that there are biological drives in women to have children.

How many of us can hold a newborn without thinking that having a (or another) baby would be wonderful?

While you can resist maternal feelings I have a hard time believing the majority of women could resist them throughout their entire child bearing years.

errUh Oh

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10-11-2007 14:24

From: Colette Meiji

This Sci-FI future web would have to become pretty darn immersive to affect human species survival.

Considering that there are biological drives in women to have children.

How many of us can hold a newborn without thinking that having a (or another) baby would be wonderful?

While you can resist maternal feelings I have a hard time believing the majority of women could resist them throughout their entire child bearing years.

youre guess is as good as mine and you know what. i hope we never find out

Maggie McArdle

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Join date: 8 May 2006

Posts: 2,855

10-11-2007 14:26

From: errUh Oh

sorry i read this part and assumed you were saying something about our future on the planet since thats what Michael was discussing, which you responded to? so i assumed you meant people would stay home and not interact or procreate? or are you just mourning social change?

"it won't be long before you'd never have to leave your home due to increasing VR related games and the like. sometimes society doesn't realize whats happened to them until it's too late."

oh was responding to Oryx's comment. LOL is ok

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Maggie McArdle

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10-11-2007 14:52

From: Oryx Tempel

I totally agree with you on this! It IS sort of scary and it CAN be isolating. But people thought the same thing about the automobile, the telephone, and the television. All have been part of our current societies for 50 years at the very least. Yeah I hate the MP3 players and Gameboys as much as the next 30-something who actually enjoys a real discussion now and then. But for the kids growing up with them, these things are used to complement, not control their lives. My gf's 13 year old kid is the biggest techno-junkie on the planet but he still has more friends than I do and can still talk a mean streak of Roman history (that's where he is in school, I guess.) His society isn't my society, but does that make it wrong? I still haven't figured out how to get the 12:00 off my VCR. I guess that makes me an old codger, but I don't think we're destroying society, just moving its evolution along a little more quickly than it's used to.

true but one has to ask is that a good thing? it seems the more techo savvy we become, the less we tend to, as adults, to inter-act with each other. they also said the same about rock n roll and rap music.LOL...but think about it, look at the automobile: we have cell phones, GPS, Televisons and dvd, mp3 players, and on board computers in them now. Society, at least our generation of it, has the tendency to go oouu shiny, and think about the consequences of it later. i don't think technology is destroying society. it's our growing dependency on it, that will do it.

Roman History huh? think he will write a paper for me on the Senate? i need it by next tuesday

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There's, uh, probably a lot of things you didn't know about lindens. Another, another interesting, uh, lindenism, uh, there are only three jobs available to a linden. The first is making shoes at night while, you know, while the old cobbler sleeps.You can bake cookies in a tree. But the third job, some call it, uh, "the show" or "the big dance," it's the profession that every linden aspires to.

Mia Lian

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10-11-2007 14:54

Monogamy is not a natural state, it's a choice in both RL and SL.

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Victorria Paine

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10-11-2007 16:11

From: Sunni Jewell

I agree that someday virtual reality will be intense and much more realistic than we can possibly imagine. But I think that humans, as a species, may find that fascinating to an extreme extent, however will still eventually long for the actual touch of another person. However, since real love is much more mental than phsyical, who really knows? M

I think online you get the "mental" part of connection with someone, but clearly not the physical in terms of physically touching, so the feedback loop there is not completely closed. I don't think that love is more mental than physical, though ... it's both in equal parts. The human person longs for physical love, and physical love in itself is based on lust as much as it is on emotion. It's when lust and emotional love are met in the same person that the sparks fly -- but in my own experience trying to do one without the other (or claiming that one is superior to the other) doesn't reflect my own perception of reality as it relates to these things.

Mihai Antwerp

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10-11-2007 16:27

I've met two couples who met eachother through SL - and now have a stable relationship.
SL can be a great medium to get to know a partner.. looks don't matter (since everyone looks like a model) so beeing a match is more about personality.

Somehow because of beeing anonymous some people tend to be more open about what they actually feel.. show the person inside more easily, though in a different way than in RL.. more show their soul, dreams, fantasies.. less of the daily stuff.

It can be fascinating to get to know sides of people you would never see in RL.. ^^

Sunni Jewell

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10-11-2007 17:26

From: Colette Meiji

thanks - cause i really didn't edit my response.

I am bothered by that because I could have come up with something funnier to say with the second version.

No, I knew you didn't edit it. The last part of his post wasn't there....then it was later. You still came up with something good to say!

Michael Bigwig

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10-11-2007 17:49

Read: "Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep" by P.K. Dick. The movie Bladerunner was created from the book.

That is one very possible reality. The characters in that have several ways of fully immersing themselves in a virtual 'universe.'

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Carli Dancer

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What that 70's showed me.

10-11-2007 19:07

Of course, I have irrefutable proof that the cause of these situations has nothing to do with the internets. In fact people have long turned to anonymous communication sources to meet a new, more intriguing partner when their RL relationship has faded.

From: someone

I was tired of my lady
We'd been together too long
Like a worn-out recording
Of a favorite song
So while she lay there sleeping
I read the paper in bed
And in the personal columns
There was this letter I read

"If you like Pina Coladas
And getting caught in the rain
If you're not into yoga
If you have half a brain
If you'd like making love at midnight
In the dunes on the Cape
Then I'm the love that you've looked for
Write to me and escape."

I didn't think about my lady
I know that sounds kind of mean
But me and my old lady
Have fallen into the same old dull routine
So I wrote to the paper
Took out a personal ad
And though I'm nobody's poet
I thought it wasn't half bad

"Yes I like Pina Coladas
And getting caught in the rain
I'm not much into health food
I am into champagne
I've got to meet you by tomorrow noon
And cut through all this red-tape
At a bar called O'Malley's
Where we'll plan our escape."

So I waited with high hopes
And she walked in the place
I knew her smile in an instant
I knew the curve of her face
It was my own lovely lady
And she said, "Oh it's you."
Then we laughed for a moment
And I said, "I never knew."

That you like Pina Coladas
Getting caught in the rain
And the feel of the ocean
And the taste of champagne
If you'd like making love at midnight
In the dunes of the Cape
You're the lady I've looked for
Come with me and escape

-Rupert Holmes, Pina Colada Song 1979

Victorria Paine

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Join date: 13 Jul 2007

Posts: 1,110

10-11-2007 19:10

But the point of that song is that people should get to know their RL partners better, keep their RL relations interesting etc. Most people having relationships in SL are not anonymously bumping into their RL partners in SL.

Carli Dancer

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10-11-2007 19:18

From: Victorria Paine

But the point of that song is that people should get to know their RL partners better, keep their RL relations interesting etc. Most people having relationships in SL are not anonymously bumping into their RL partners in SL.

The song would have made no sense if people at the time didn't give up easily and turn to personal ads to find an escape. People would have gone, "huh?"

Your other point is a good one too, that people should get to know their RL partners better and make their RL relationships more interesting before turning for companionship in the virtual arms of a stranger.

One thing about online relationships is you have to talk about things. Where in "comfortable" RL relationships you often don't. In new relationships thats the deal you talk about all sorts of crazy and interesting things. Like Pina Coldas and getting caught in the rain.

Strife Onizuka

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Posts: 5,887

10-12-2007 04:03

This forum isn't for general discussion; there are many Resident Sites where this discussion is appropriate — Resident Answers is for Resident-to-Resident help.

I'll close this thread...

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The Effect of SL on RL
Colette Meiji Registered User Join date: 25 Mar 2005 Posts: 15,556	10-11-2007 14:23 From: errUh Oh sorry i read this part and assumed you were saying something about our future on the planet since thats what Michael was discussing, which you responded to? so i assumed you meant people would stay home and not interact or procreate? or are you just mourning social change? "it won't be long before you'd never have to leave your home due to increasing VR related games and the like. sometimes society doesn't realize whats happened to them until it's too late." This Sci-FI future web would have to become pretty darn immersive to affect human species survival. Considering that there are biological drives in women to have children. How many of us can hold a newborn without thinking that having a (or another) baby would be wonderful? While you can resist maternal feelings I have a hard time believing the majority of women could resist them throughout their entire child bearing years.
errUh Oh Registered User Join date: 1 Mar 2007 Posts: 233	10-11-2007 14:24 From: Colette Meiji This Sci-FI future web would have to become pretty darn immersive to affect human species survival. Considering that there are biological drives in women to have children. How many of us can hold a newborn without thinking that having a (or another) baby would be wonderful? While you can resist maternal feelings I have a hard time believing the majority of women could resist them throughout their entire child bearing years. youre guess is as good as mine and you know what. i hope we never find out
Maggie McArdle FIOS hates puppies Join date: 8 May 2006 Posts: 2,855	10-11-2007 14:26 From: errUh Oh sorry i read this part and assumed you were saying something about our future on the planet since thats what Michael was discussing, which you responded to? so i assumed you meant people would stay home and not interact or procreate? or are you just mourning social change? "it won't be long before you'd never have to leave your home due to increasing VR related games and the like. sometimes society doesn't realize whats happened to them until it's too late." oh was responding to Oryx's comment. LOL is ok _____________________ There's, uh, probably a lot of things you didn't know about lindens. Another, another interesting, uh, lindenism, uh, there are only three jobs available to a linden. The first is making shoes at night while, you know, while the old cobbler sleeps.You can bake cookies in a tree. But the third job, some call it, uh, "the show" or "the big dance," it's the profession that every linden aspires to.
Maggie McArdle FIOS hates puppies Join date: 8 May 2006 Posts: 2,855	10-11-2007 14:52 From: Oryx Tempel I totally agree with you on this! It IS sort of scary and it CAN be isolating. But people thought the same thing about the automobile, the telephone, and the television. All have been part of our current societies for 50 years at the very least. Yeah I hate the MP3 players and Gameboys as much as the next 30-something who actually enjoys a real discussion now and then. But for the kids growing up with them, these things are used to complement, not control their lives. My gf's 13 year old kid is the biggest techno-junkie on the planet but he still has more friends than I do and can still talk a mean streak of Roman history (that's where he is in school, I guess.) His society isn't my society, but does that make it wrong? I still haven't figured out how to get the 12:00 off my VCR. I guess that makes me an old codger, but I don't think we're destroying society, just moving its evolution along a little more quickly than it's used to. true but one has to ask is that a good thing? it seems the more techo savvy we become, the less we tend to, as adults, to inter-act with each other. they also said the same about rock n roll and rap music.LOL...but think about it, look at the automobile: we have cell phones, GPS, Televisons and dvd, mp3 players, and on board computers in them now. Society, at least our generation of it, has the tendency to go oouu shiny, and think about the consequences of it later. i don't think technology is destroying society. it's our growing dependency on it, that will do it. Roman History huh? think he will write a paper for me on the Senate? i need it by next tuesday _____________________ There's, uh, probably a lot of things you didn't know about lindens. Another, another interesting, uh, lindenism, uh, there are only three jobs available to a linden. The first is making shoes at night while, you know, while the old cobbler sleeps.You can bake cookies in a tree. But the third job, some call it, uh, "the show" or "the big dance," it's the profession that every linden aspires to.
Mia Lian Registered User Join date: 27 Jan 2007 Posts: 18	10-11-2007 14:54 Monogamy is not a natural state, it's a choice in both RL and SL. _____________________
Victorria Paine Sleepless in Wherever Join date: 13 Jul 2007 Posts: 1,110	10-11-2007 16:11 From: Sunni Jewell I agree that someday virtual reality will be intense and much more realistic than we can possibly imagine. But I think that humans, as a species, may find that fascinating to an extreme extent, however will still eventually long for the actual touch of another person. However, since real love is much more mental than phsyical, who really knows? M I think online you get the "mental" part of connection with someone, but clearly not the physical in terms of physically touching, so the feedback loop there is not completely closed. I don't think that love is more mental than physical, though ... it's both in equal parts. The human person longs for physical love, and physical love in itself is based on lust as much as it is on emotion. It's when lust and emotional love are met in the same person that the sparks fly -- but in my own experience trying to do one without the other (or claiming that one is superior to the other) doesn't reflect my own perception of reality as it relates to these things.
Mihai Antwerp ::. The Sweetest Sin .:: Join date: 24 May 2007 Posts: 6	10-11-2007 16:27 I've met two couples who met eachother through SL - and now have a stable relationship. SL can be a great medium to get to know a partner.. looks don't matter (since everyone looks like a model) so beeing a match is more about personality. Somehow because of beeing anonymous some people tend to be more open about what they actually feel.. show the person inside more easily, though in a different way than in RL.. more show their soul, dreams, fantasies.. less of the daily stuff. It can be fascinating to get to know sides of people you would never see in RL.. ^^
Sunni Jewell Who said so? Join date: 22 Mar 2007 Posts: 748	10-11-2007 17:26 From: Colette Meiji thanks - cause i really didn't edit my response. I am bothered by that because I could have come up with something funnier to say with the second version. No, I knew you didn't edit it. The last part of his post wasn't there....then it was later. You still came up with something good to say!
Michael Bigwig ~VRML Aficionado~ Join date: 5 Dec 2005 Posts: 2,181	10-11-2007 17:49 Read: "Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep" by P.K. Dick. The movie Bladerunner was created from the book. That is one very possible reality. The characters in that have several ways of fully immersing themselves in a virtual 'universe.' _____________________ ~Michael Bigwig __________________________________________________Lead Designer, Glowbox Designs
Carli Dancer Registered User Join date: 15 Aug 2006 Posts: 411	What that 70's showed me. 10-11-2007 19:07 Of course, I have irrefutable proof that the cause of these situations has nothing to do with the internets. In fact people have long turned to anonymous communication sources to meet a new, more intriguing partner when their RL relationship has faded. From: someone I was tired of my lady We'd been together too long Like a worn-out recording Of a favorite song So while she lay there sleeping I read the paper in bed And in the personal columns There was this letter I read "If you like Pina Coladas And getting caught in the rain If you're not into yoga If you have half a brain If you'd like making love at midnight In the dunes on the Cape Then I'm the love that you've looked for Write to me and escape." I didn't think about my lady I know that sounds kind of mean But me and my old lady Have fallen into the same old dull routine So I wrote to the paper Took out a personal ad And though I'm nobody's poet I thought it wasn't half bad "Yes I like Pina Coladas And getting caught in the rain I'm not much into health food I am into champagne I've got to meet you by tomorrow noon And cut through all this red-tape At a bar called O'Malley's Where we'll plan our escape." So I waited with high hopes And she walked in the place I knew her smile in an instant I knew the curve of her face It was my own lovely lady And she said, "Oh it's you." Then we laughed for a moment And I said, "I never knew." That you like Pina Coladas Getting caught in the rain And the feel of the ocean And the taste of champagne If you'd like making love at midnight In the dunes of the Cape You're the lady I've looked for Come with me and escape -Rupert Holmes, Pina Colada Song 1979
Victorria Paine Sleepless in Wherever Join date: 13 Jul 2007 Posts: 1,110	10-11-2007 19:10 But the point of that song is that people should get to know their RL partners better, keep their RL relations interesting etc. Most people having relationships in SL are not anonymously bumping into their RL partners in SL.
Carli Dancer Registered User Join date: 15 Aug 2006 Posts: 411	10-11-2007 19:18 From: Victorria Paine But the point of that song is that people should get to know their RL partners better, keep their RL relations interesting etc. Most people having relationships in SL are not anonymously bumping into their RL partners in SL. The song would have made no sense if people at the time didn't give up easily and turn to personal ads to find an escape. People would have gone, "huh?" Your other point is a good one too, that people should get to know their RL partners better and make their RL relationships more interesting before turning for companionship in the virtual arms of a stranger. One thing about online relationships is you have to talk about things. Where in "comfortable" RL relationships you often don't. In new relationships thats the deal you talk about all sorts of crazy and interesting things. Like Pina Coldas and getting caught in the rain.
Strife Onizuka Moonchild Join date: 3 Mar 2004 Posts: 5,887	10-12-2007 04:03 This forum isn't for general discussion; there are many Resident Sites where this discussion is appropriate — Resident Answers is for Resident-to-Resident help. I'll close this thread... Forum Guidelines Flaming, Spamming, Trolling – Flaming (posting a message that is intended to incite anger or directly attack a person or persons), Spamming (multiple posts of the same topic or discussion), and Trolling (a post with an intentionally contrary opinion written with the intent of inciting or getting argumentative opinions) are strongly discouraged. If you think your post might be over-reactive, or that it might fall into one of these definitions, please reconsider posting. _____________________ Truth is a river that is always splitting up into arms that reunite. Islanded between the arms, the inhabitants argue for a lifetime as to which is the main river. - Cyril Connolly Without the political will to find common ground, the continual friction of tactic and counter tactic, only creates suspicion and hatred and vengeance, and perpetuates the cycle of violence. - James Nachtwey

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