Strange person in my house

Thank You

After being constantly harassed by the idiots from the mall in order to get me to sell my land I'm taking no prisoners, plain and simple. And I doubt anyone else would either after having to go thru' all the shit I been thru. So with this said, if I'm vulgar, brutal or what-have-you, you really think I going to care what I'm called or thought of as being? For what? To be percieved as a nice guy? Nice guys finish last.

Easy for those sitting on the sidelines to play "monday morning quarterbacks" while not knowing anything about whats gone on although they claimed to of read about it. Never fails no matter what the subject is about.


Yeah, New York City.

I know, you don't care. It's your interests above all others. Yep, and it's you're right to be a that way about it.

Hope it all makes you happy.

Is there a group for Second Life hermits?

psyke defense systems, shipley/35/231
Running a psyke orb at my place, and that "splortch" sound when it sends someone back to help island public is just so very satisfying.

LOL! I must say I had this happen twice to me. Someone popping up in my house using cam/sit. I was like wtf? Apparently in both cases (they were noobs) they thought they could enter everywhere. When I explained they left. But it's annoying when you're changing outfits and all of a sudden you have an audience. o.O

Mandy C

Monday morning quaterbacks, lolololol That's a good one.

You're right Ricardo. No one here including the quaterbacks know what you've been going through at your place. Yet, they're critical of your actions simply because it suits them. Because they want to be seen as good guys or want you to do what they think they would do. But it's a whole new ballgame if they were in your shoes being hassled constantly.

I understand your frustration and lack of patience at what's been going on with you. Seems like you've come to the end of the line where now you're not showing any 'compassion" and you're just ejecting the hell out of them.

I recall a while back you wrote a thread here regarding the harassment you had been getting at your place from these same people. The quaterbacks here have a short memory or they only want you to do what they want.

Go for it!

Rude behavior solves nothing.... Explanation and education does. And the nice person stand at last, because they have friends and wellwilling people around them.

@Bilbo Don't know if the description of a hermit goes for the mentioned person. Hermits are most often none violent or aggressive *coughs and laughs*

Morwen.

99.9% of the unexpected guests I have leave when asked. The one guy the other day...well he didn't get the chance to leave on his own.

Morning Mand..

Hi Mandy
I can't really argue with that. I can appreciate there are times when one needs or wants a little privacy. My fiancee gets very nervous changing outfits if there's someone in the vicinity so I usually stand guard. She likes my opinion too

Cole and Ricardo, I do have a rather short memory for which I apologise. Monday Morning Quarterback? Has a nice ring to it lol My sporting days were more often spent being the ball. Still, water under the bridge. I'm criticising no-one here. SL is what you want it to be. If I was targetted as mentioned here I'd be resentful too .. but I'd be careful not to tar everyone with the same brush. Some of the most interesting people I've met in SL have been one or two day old 'ruth's. I try to give everyone the benefit of the doubt. This is an online community. Why open with hostility?
Nice guys finish last? Where's the race? Who wants to finish?

/me waves at Morwen.

Morning Bren..

Mandy C

I have ban lines around just my house, but allow people to enter the gardens that surround it

It works well, doesnt annoy the neighboors as the ban lines are not right next to their property (ban lines can only be seen a very short distance), yet completely prevents the problem of people popping into the house.

The race starts at the horse stables....


Morwen.

So you're saying in order not to tar everyone with the same brush, Ricardo should stop what he's doing and go strike up a conversation with the intruder then? I guess he should introduce himself, ask how the intruders family is doing and ask the intruders for information about how long they been in sl and if they're associated with the mall. Maybe even ask where they live in rl?
Hmm, yeah. I can see him doing that. I mean he's stated he's been hassled and harassed for months now so I can see him being gentle and kind and turning the other cheek. Yeah, maybe even bending over once or twice. Maybe even stop to ask for ID just to make sure the wrong person isn't targeted? Or continue to turn the other cheek, time and time again?

Let's be real. You would have to be a real whimp to be friendly, caring and nice after being targeted simply because they wanted your land and you wouldn't part with it. I can sympathize with him because I also had a similar situation happen to me a while back so I know how it is. And I never got any help from management either. After a while you don't care anymore and you'll do whatever you need to.

Enough with the bleeding hearts.

Ricardo:

No slight is intended to the situation you had to go through, but I don't get how a person can possibly even use SL at all if we have to assume that any land parcel is off limits. "Has no reason to be there" is nonsense in SL. People exploring SL shouldn't be required to read your biography first. If everyone treated their parcels like you did, SL wouldn't even function, and we would all just have to quit. I have to assume that you don't go anywhere in SL, since none of those other parcels out there belong to you?

It's no wonder when I run across a visitor to my resort, which is open to anybody and everybody, the first thing they often ask is whether they need to leave. It makes me sick to see all these kind people just trying to enjoy the beauty of SL, but they're so banline and security orb whipped, they're afraid to go anywhere.

To try to undo all that poison, I have to put signs all around saying, "open to everyone."

Sad.

--Avion

LOL! I can just see one of THEIR get-togethers... "Get away from me!" "Go away!" "Leave me alone!"

What is the best option for renters? There are times when NOBODY uninvited should show up... I really don't want to squick my neighbours...

Looks like the orbs don't really work that well (can only push) unless you get the land owner to place the orb...

Ban lines the only real choice here?

Sorry to take those 3 words out of context, but being real is not what I come to Second Life for. Ban Lines, fierce personal property protection, and solitude are much of what make real life stink.

If that makes me a bleeding heart, then I can live with the title.

--Avion

in the case of a rental property, the owner is most likely the group.
in that case you would need to 'deed to group' your orb. then the orb will 'owned by landowner' and it can tp home and so on. if you dont have that priv, explain to your landlord what you are trying to accomplish and see if they will set member permissions to facilitate such a thing. if they wont, consider relocating and chalking that rental up as a learning experience.

Strangely, a lot of people do this.



Umm .. Online world .. community .. meet people .. am I missing something here?

Ohhh rii-iight! .. reactive .. intolerant .. disrespectful .. obnoxious .. anti-social .. yee-ees, a lot clearer thankyou.

Can I have more pie please? This one's getting a little crusty

Well, I think I can certainly understand why you feel the way you do. Not just you, a few others too. You don't mind being stepped on, harrassed, hassled and all around fked with.

You rather turn the other cheek, right? I mean, I can understand it, I really can. I know it takes balls and guts to stand up for yourself when you're being targeted and not everyone can do this. So it's ok don't worry. So its certainly understandable soft indiviuals use other means instead of confontation whether its sl or rl. But it's cool turning the other cheek and running away. What is it they say? Better a live coward then a dead hero? Well, something like this anyway. I'm sure you know this adage by heart.

I sincerely apologize for not seeing this before. But now I understand fully. Not all men are alike.

btw, on-line community also has griefers so it don't mean squat that it's a place to meet people. Oh, there I go again, sorry.

NYC

EDIT:Have to ask, why are you tolerating the harrasment in any way? I mean, sure, you'r eplaying the testosterone role by becoming the dangerous hermit and all, but that still means you tolerate the initial tresspass. Why do you do it? Wouldn't using the access control list and group restriction land tools serve you better?

Given your attitude, I know you're not concerned with your neighbors reaction to the ban lines. Besides, it again falls to "your land your rules". If you want your land for you and your select guests, SL gives you the tools to make that absolute.

Ricardo, I am truly sorry you are being harassed and griefed. I think so-called neighbours behaving this way is despicable. I hear lots of stories about griefers and count myself lucky I have little trouble with them.
Perhaps it's me being a whimp, a coward or a bleeding heart, but for me and I suspect a few others too, SL *is* a place to meet people.
I apologise if my comments here are threatening the existence of this thread but I got the strong feeling that there was possibly people getting rough and reactive treatment for genuine mistakes. Another thread here is pointing out the plethora of people who are TP-ing out of Orientation Island before really grasping the principle of someone's plot being their 'castle'.
Showing a little latitude and patience rather than confrontation I'm sure would reap greater rewards.
If you and Cole can offer no greater contradiction to this than hurl insults, I shall speak no more on the subject.

Very simple, if it isn't listed under places, I assume it is off limits unless I am personally invited by the owner or his representative. I function quite well in SL, thank you very much. It is called polite behavior. My parents taught it to me as a small child and I am teaching it to my daughter. You do not go on someone else's land unless you are invited. A listing under places is an open invitation.

Chris, this is a debatable point. What you say is absolutely correct for RL, for both politeness and safety sake!
An online world though?
Where red banlines and/or posters and notices claiming privacy .. locked doors .. notecard givers .. all fine for those actively wanting to keep people out. The large majority of SLand though is open, unattended .. a mess even. Some nice builds, some remarkable landscapes. Am I misinterpreting you or are you actually saying we should all stop at each property line and wait for permission to cross into the next plot?
I cannot remember if I listed Bagg End under places. I shall look later.

This discussion is foucusing too much on the extremes on both ends. It's "It's my land, stay away if not invited", vs "It's not really your land, there is no privacy, we ca go where we want". Chris and Rcardo's stances may be extreme, unfriendly, Isolationist, but they are permissable according to their rights as"property owners". On the other hand, the Shiny Happy People, all are welcome, kinder and gentler approach may be closer to what SL was originally envisioned, but that is growing evermore impractical. increasingly, tresspassers aren't just uneducated newbs or happy wanderers. The orientation Islands are abysmal, nothing like when I signed up in January. I'm not condoning extreme measures, but we all have different tolerance levels. when it come to harrassment. Landowners can try to be as friendly as possible, educate people who come onto their land, use the tools available to control access. But however you feel about the tangibility of it, they Paid for it with real money, In some cases a lot of money. They have a right to consider it theirs to do with a they please. Exploresers, especially those who may be free accounts and non property owners, Most of SL is open to you to explore. Enjoy it. but use some common courtesy. Most areas are fairly obvious to whether they are commrcial/public build as opposed to private/residential areas. I don't necessarily advocate forbidding passage through a parcel, anyone can come across my land all they want, but when you come to a house, don't just barge in. If no one is there and the door is unlocked, ok fair enough, many people do leave their homes open for us to enjoy. but even so, respect their stuff, don't be hopping on poseballs and rummaging through their cloets. If someone is inside the house don't just walk in. Say hello, and if the person wants to be left alone, leave them alone. There are plenty of other places to see.