Should they just go ahead and open the General Forum back up?

We had a very good mix right up til about December, I believe. We had a lot of fun. I'm frustrated by the comments about those of us who would like to see RA become more about RA. Implying we want to make it a stale boring environment. It never was like that at all since I got here, but the questions were the main priority. Newbies questions were our priority while we had witty banter in the process and sometimes (repeat...sometimes) downright goofiness here and there. There can be a balance folks! I know some think we have that balance now, but I sure don't see it.



Your way off base here, Ray. Yes, Colette has ALOT of posts. Yes, she joins in what I consider nonsense threads more than I like. But you know what? I have a HUGE respect for her because despite having some fun along the way Colette is one of the most helpful people in the forums. It's rare you wont find a post by Colette in a thread looking for help and you know what? She's actually helpful.

Look at my post count. 3000 posts in less than a year. That's a ridiculous amount and embarrasses me a bit. However, I urge you to search through my thread history and find a thread that I created that was just plain silliness. I can't say it's never happened because I can't remember them all, but if they exist they are few and far between.

Sure you'll find some silly answers and comments within threads that don't belong. Yeah, I'm guilty of that. But I can confidently say my history speaks for itself, my primary purpose here is to assist others and learn myself. I can also confidently say that my posting count is no reflection of wanting to be a part of any elitist group, etc. Hell, I don't even look at the damn thing.

I also take issue with your comment that those who have said they may leave are being manipulative. I'm in agreement with you that I think the silliness in RA should stop, but I also have said that I'm considering leaving. It was a statement of fact over my frustration, not manipulation. Hell, my ego is not so overblown that I think I can manipulate peoples opinions about that.

In summary, I agree with much of what you say, but I think you need to chill on the attacks. Just my opinion, for what it's worth.

Sorry Ray, but I have reviewed the forums thoroughly today and have determined that you are clearly the problem.

Does this mean the clique is going to move and leave no forwarding address without telling me again?

Your use to dealing with being alone. You already declared yourself as an active member of the MMS.

Look if you all are gonna MMS in my thread, clean up when you are done.

The Maid doesn't work on Sundays.

Not even at the MMS Telethon?

I havnt read any of the replies, but we should boycot the resident answers with general chit-chat until they decide enough is enough and they open up a general chat catagory, they cant suspend all of us

Bottom line: if LL does not care enough to moderate a General Discusion and Off-topic or "Resident Suggestions" forum 24/7 and have real Linden Employees, deal with a helpful, Resident Answers forum, 24/7, then they deserve every bit of criticism and negativity they get thrown at them.

You'd think they are reinventing the wheel, by thinking it will just work without human intervention.

In the mean time personal attackers and stone throwers or cliques on this forum and stone throwers and cliques on the off site forums ruin any possibility of constructive, serious dialogue OR even good, innane fun, which has more then it's place, somewhere in SL forums.

What gets me most is when people post a question or complaint on the RA forum and they are either new to SL or new to the forums or maybe they have a language comprehension or disibility issue of some kind, they are often lambasted mercilessly, by sanctimonious or nasty people.

Ultimately it's LL not doing thir job, because they want to think it's not their job.

The world is in a media crisis in every way, SL included, and SL had so much potential.....'tis a pity.

You start.

Okay, I will let you in on a little secret: It's a game the clique plays called "Lambast the Disabled Noob". We wait for someone with some sort of mental or physical health issue to make their first post and then we skewer them mercilessly. You get bonus points if the person is not an American.

Give me a break with the hyperbole already. You are complaining about something that simply does not go on here.

Is this really the case though? It appears fashionable to make this assertion, but how often does this happen? Often, occasionally or very seldom? I would suggest the latter, because there is no accounting for the odd intolerant individual, but you indicate that that it is the norm and not the exception. I just don't see the evidence for this.

EDIT: beaten to it by Raymond. That's either two of us who see it as it actually is, or we are both in need of a trip to the optician.

Little slow, aren't we, Max? I pity you and your countrymen with your slow typing speeds and overweight milking cows.

I know that's not much of a lambasting, but it's all I can muster at this late hour and the rest of the clique is asleep.

Are you so desensitized to it that you don't see it? I am not going dig up old posts, to prove it to you, just to cause this thread to go on longer. It happens alot and it is gross. RA should be LL helping new people. General Discussion, Resident Suggestions and Off-Topic is where all that other stuff should take place.

I see people arguing and being bitchy to each other but I don't see newer residents coming here seeking help and being treated the way you describe, no.

Oh, and I edited my post to tone it down a bit. You are not a newbie, but I thought I would try to be a little less nasty regardless. Good night.

Hey, we just lost an hour last night. Gimme a break!

I lost two on this thread alone...

In terms of frequency I see it a few times a week and I don't read every thread, which is a few times too much. Yes there are helpful threads too, but too often there is some poor person asking a question or an implied question, that is shot down in an ugly, fashion.

Yes please if you need glasses or some sensitivity training, go for it.

The glasses comment I can take, the sensitivity training... practice what you preach, Rebecca.

Given that you spent time in the economic debate claiming that people opposing your view had been "drinking the Kool-Aid", I would, with all due respect, suggest physician, heal thyself.

I have to agree with Rebecca here. It definitely is not every time but it happens too much. The "why didn't you search" is the most common one. The comments on typing, word usage, etc is almost as bad. It's not a completely non friendly place here for noobs, but too often it is.

None of this occurs any more or less than other forums, but I'd wish it would be less here considering the "stated" purpose of this forum.

Regarding the clique, I still don't think there is one but I've grown to understand why the term is tossed around too much. Some people can start the most BS threads around here and everyone thinks it's hysterical while others get blown out of the water for it. Voodoo's recent thread is a good example.

Obviously that was not concerning New Residents asking questions.

/me nods and agrees with Bradley....

I do think there are occasions whereby some people (granted, not all) open a thread and the immediate responses are maybe a little sharper than needed/intended.

The trouble being that tone of voice cannot be relayed into text and I think in many cases people are not coming across quite how they possibly think they are (note: I'm not asuming I know how people think!) for example I had an IM recently from someone I know of but not too well, yet and they didn't say 'hi' at the begining and the text came across a little rough, but I replied keeping it civilised then got the same in return, it ended up being quite a humerous conversation. It seems they weren't rude at all, but clearly were not aware how they came across when initially speaking to me as someone who does not know them too well.

That's also where I believe the 'clique' accusations stem from - there are a group of people who post on here a lot, have put in a lot of time and energy and they all have gotten to know each other well as a result, able to banter hard and fast with each other. However, I personally don't see this as a 'clique' - just a regular crowd who post a lot on the forums, just like any other forum has!

So, for anyone who should be on here wanting a clique...ya can't 'ave it, so ner!... *snatches 'clique', runs off with it and flushes it down the drain*

I agree with Rebecca and Bradley, it doesn't happen often but it does happen, they may not be in the Clique but they are regulars doing it, heck, I probably done it my self to some new people at some stage.
Carving the forum into 2 or 3 forums won't stop it either, we just need to take a step back sometimes we post too much without thinking of human beings on the other end, who may be very different from ourselves.

I have seen people lambasted on here because of their use of grammar.e.t.c.. There was one thread I recall where a poster asked an innocent question and the responses in it made me really sad.. no question was answered it was just a bunch of people, yes "regulars" to all shooting the op down for their use of grammar and spelling.

When someone in the past asked innocently about the fact that their maternity experience in SL went bad because they felt ripped off by the clinic inworld.. No one for a fair few posts offered anything constructive.. but instead all slapped each other on the back trying to come out with the best one liners in regards to this person having a prim baby. No one could see beyond that. The person was genuinely upset as they felt they had lost a lot of lindens and was asking for help in finding any recourse.

I have seen responses on a thread where people jumped straight down someones throat for their grammar and spelling so bad I cringe.. There was that poster that even apologised for their grammar mistakes but admitted they were on meds and sometimes cant concentrate as much as they would like... there were even sarcastic comments directed at them because of this!!

It seems like if some certain posters make a joke in those types of threads then the whole brigade jump in to, so they can say their part, so they get to show how witty they are.

Then there is when a certain poster makes a thread, Chaos.. he is jumped all over..some were grilling him over the fact he stated he had LOST his father recently and that was a tame thread where he was concerned..usually he is hauled over the coals in such a way its embarrassing to read because it makes you wonder what kick these people are getting out of it.

I could trawl past posts and find all this and more I am sure, but I really dont have the time and I am sure a lot would be embarrassed to read it all again.

I dont claim to be perfect, I have had one liners with people..I enjoy the friendly banter. The friendly joking that would happen and include the OP was always nice to read and be part of whilst offering any help.

But RA does not always come across as friendly. That is such a shame, I wonder how many after reading the above examples as they DID happen..were put off posting, asking for help?!

I think a General Discussion forum would be the best idea for these forums. Though I do wonder how long we would get to keep them..

What's wrong with that? Someone is more likely to remember the answer if they found and implemented it for themselves. I'm not saying they should read every single page, but if it's something from the Knowledge Base or which has been answered recently, those should be pretty easy to find with minimal effort.


I only see that happen when the post is virtually unreadable. If it's half a page, all in caps, or with no punctuation and/or spacing, that makes it really difficult for even the most helpful of people here. And I've never seen anyone give grief to someone who obviously spoke English as a second language...they might ask for clarification, but that's it.