Should they just go ahead and open the General Forum back up?

Yelled at? That seems a little strong to me. Besides, how can you tell if the respondent was yelling? Last time I checked, Voice is not an option on this forum.

I would like to see one example of this kind of treatment to a new user asking a legitimate question was berated. Feel free to cut and paste any example you can find.

You make my point. I never told anybody to leave I said; "If folks want to leave because they can't carry on anyway they want, good riddance, its a childish attempt of manipulation anyway".

Its the sticky's, the guidlines that state and pay attention to b);

* In addition to the forum Guidelines, abusive behavior here will result in permanent removal of access to this forum. Making posts which are deliberately unhelpful or disruptively off-topic will lead to being banned from Resident Answers. This is not a place for rants and disputes. It's easy to be nice.

You have miss-stated my position.

Did you type the following? "Their wishes for a general forum has been answered, its called Secondlife." Seems like to me you were telling those you don't like to leave. I ask you again. Who the hell are you to be telling anyone where they can post?

As for the sticky, the only abusive behavior I have seen is yours. I have yet to see a disruptively off topic post.

It looks like to me a large number of the active posters here want a GD forum. Until LL provides us with the service we want and are paying for, we will use this one.

You know what's really funny. I made a comment on a blog just now and _it_ was immediately called 'sycophant' by the next poster, (I thought only people could be sycophant but anyhoo...)

You will never be able to please everyone on any forum. One person's jerk is another one's sycophant.

Well, I'm off in search of candles. It's almost 8pm.
(and also in search of boots to lick) Toodles.

It does happen. I have seen many times. The sarcastic "There is a search function at the top"

Or some will just come in with a link to another thread with NO explanation...just that link..which may seem helpful will mean nothing to a new person, especially with the code turned off.

I have seen new posters told off for not using search.. but hey if they come looking for pie all is ok...

The balance is wrong IMO.

Are we having spot checks now on our post counts? Why are you fixated on post counts?

Indeed I did, I offered a constructive solution to a general discussion regarding RA. I have not resorted to swearing or miss-stating ones position. Nowhere did I say "leave" I said secondlife in world the perfect place to joke, banter and carry on. Would you deny me my opinion and did it escape your attention that I to am a paying member of Secondlife?

Shoot the messenger disregard the message. Start a fight. De-rail the conversation. Post inane posts, post off topic, use a thread to convey jokes at the exclusion of helpful advise, all abusive behavior and I havn't yet said in this thread I was refering to RA in general (the topic of discussion) . It is not me telling where to post it's the sticky's which I have only posted a portion and would be a good idea to become familliar with. Want to discuss the issues, ready to here.

MMS isn't abusive? Your comments to Colette weren't abusive? You can have your opinion, but you have no place to be telling others how to post until your name is Linden.

Look the the left at my profile Tiana, there under my name very easy to see my join date and number of posts to date.

I talked of a clique using RA for something it is not set up for, I expected that those who are part of that clique would find exception to that catagorization but I also offered a suggestion to take that behavior in world where those interested could carry on.

I have, as thousands of others spent a lot of time in SL learning and experiencing and have been around long enough to know the history of things noobs are not aware of. This is why this forum was started; to help answer questions and concerns, not for the personal enjoyment of a social club.

The General Discussions Forums was closed by the type of behavior that seems all to commonplace in RA recently. I wish the person whose # of posts I noted, no ill will at all, I just believe that RA is helpful and would have greater use if not reduced to the GD environment that got it GD closed.

would that not be preferable to cluttering up Resident answers with all the negative things you have mentioned that have cropped up?

I am working under the assumption we've already crossed the line and Resident Answers is a General Discussion forum in practice .. therefore my suggestion of the whole thread is related with how to improve that.

Actually we are acknowledging the same "behavior" and we both see it as a potential hazzard to the function of Resident Answers.

However I wish to give that sort of behavior (within reason) an outlet,

while it seems you do not.

Thus the entire debate as to whether there should be a general discussion forum.

There ya go not one swear your getting better. Now, since I don't have a place to tell others how to post , how do you explain your telling me how to? Lol

My comment to Colette was with the number of posts I can see why she believes she's in the hot seat, hardly abusive.

Really MMS I will agree could be alterred to "clique" which may be easier on the senses. Though mutual satisfaction could be fun, lol.

You began upset I told someone to leave, was shown you were mistaken and now switched to this, I have yet to see why you think a clique or inane posts etc belong in RA.

Again, this is my point shoot the messenger ignore the message.

As I stated, I believe one exists called SL. I believe that groups in sl are the place for like minded to ban together and discuss all they want.

I completely and utterly agree. I have no problem with general banter here and there, I actually enjoy reading it, but I am of the mind that first and foremost this is a Residents resource for help.. and when newbies post they will have no idea of any "in jokes" and it could all seem rather overwhelming.

The thing is peoples personalities will show through and thats not a bad thing by a long shot, in any environment where people can express their thoughts its inevitable that personalities will be prevalent.. but as you say, first and foremost its a resource to help second life residents..and I agree that seems to of been forgotten recently and it would be a crying shame if we lost RA. I know i have personally learnt so much from it.

Which of course is *not* a General Discussion Forum. Nor is it part of these Forums.

It is just a clever way of telling people to conform or leave this forum.

Although you claimed that was a "childish manipuation", I really don't see how.

It really is the bottom line from your train of thought.

Do you think its manipulative because it might lead to an emotional response or something?


I mean its really a simple conclusion ...

If theres no place for general discussions on Resident Answers and no where else for General Discussion on these forums, what other conclusions are there?

I have the number of posts that I have. *Shrugs*

Obviously if General Discussion on this forum is not to be tolerated then of course I must be part of the problem, since I am a prolific poster.

I proposed one solution. Just because the Lindens closed the General Discussion Forums in '06 doesn't mean they were "right"

And I could make a pretty good argument that they were partially to blame for "how bad General got" before they closed it.

Doesn't sound like yelling or berating to me.

I have seen that, but not for a long time. And I disagree. Seems to me 100% of legitimate questions get answered so the balance is fine. The problem is, not enough folks are asking legitimate questions and GD threads are filling the vacuum. That's where the imbalance lies.

Hell, all this debate is happening because there's nothing else for us all to do here. I'd rather trade one-liners with Brenda than debate this crap to death. There's really no problem here other than the one we're creating ourselves.

Well that is definitely one take on it. However I think the complaints will continue to happen as the forum's lack of moderation continues.

Obviously there is some Ire involved here. Characterizations of an in-crowd that is a "Mutual Masturbation Society" isn't the product of olive-branch diplomacy after all.

Neither is references to frivolous threads as "heaps of garbage"

Obviously some people are becoming annoyed with the course RA is on.

Finally, a club I'm qualified to join. I've been practicing the secret handshake for 30 years.

Saying that SL is not part of the forums is like saying the branch is not part of the tree.

"If I can't do what I want then I will just leave" is a thinly veiled threat generally used by children and those that use childish manipulations to get what they want,
to manipulate (volumes of phsycological text on this). To say; "I answer threads in the RA to help others but will leave if I can't bs at will" then its clearly not the helpng others thats the main objective.

To recreate what already was the GD so it can be exactly as was seems futile. The RA is becoming like it is the proof.

The environment in SL is argubly a 3d interactive social world (forums where the avi's aren't pictures and the conversations not pasted comments down a page), the forums are categories of specific resident interests, inworld is the general where banter , jokes , inane acts can be explored at will. With a notecard or a running group chat you can effect a general disscussions group which could utilize notecards to look like the forum page look. The only difference, besides the look is in world its harder to get attention.

Once again, its the sticky's that set the regs, for RA not me I just appreciatte them.

But I wasn't saying in those posts "If I can't do what I want, then I will just leave"

I was saying the opposing argument boils down to "If you won't behave, you should leave"

*considerable* difference.

I'm saying SL is not a forum.

I don't see how that is even remotely disputable.

Expecting someone to make a reasonable effort to find an answer to their question is by no means "sarcastic".

Informing someone that there's a search function on the forums or telling them the answer can be found in the KB is not inherently negative. Someone may consider it negative because they can't be bothered to make the effort, but that reflects on them and on not the person who made the suggestion.

geesh no wonder ya got so many posts now I'm starting to get too many lol. Got other things to do in world lol so one last one for a bit . There are some 40 or more catagories in the forums or other forums for all range of things. The rules for the RA are clear.

There is a clique who seem to want to buck the rules not made by me.

There is secondlife where you can discuss any general thing you want.

When presented with the childish " I will leave" argument I concurred a good idea.

"Conform" another highly charged word, on par with my MMS (though not as humorous) lol
"behave" usually spoken to children.

Trying to defend that behavior..priceless

Jokes get mis-understood, feelings get hurt, attacks take place , frivolous inane comments clog up threads, people get banned. LL doesn't want to deal with it and I can't blame them.

Could there be another solution easier than stop? Sure, there can be another way so I will let you all get to it, tc.

Pretty sure my vote is no.

Defending?

No.

I was attempting to compensate for your apparent lack of reading comprehension.

I'm guessing that lack was due to you not carefully reading those posts you chose to make such comments on, since they were obvious errors in context.