Betting time on Zindra

Productive in what sense? My brother talked me into getting into it and all I can see there is a colossal time sink.

True to a limit. See, PG doesn't mean you can't strip down and pixel-bop each other. It only means that you'll get in trouble if you're caught doing so. (^_^)y

productive as in..."colossal time sink"... & having "fun" - no skills required

They can, but they don't have to. And I can easily and cheaply provide a place that is free of pornography, for those who aren't seeking it.

I have no clue what anything else you wrote has to do with what you quoted.



Fortunate, then, that I didn't compare it to facebook and myspace.

Might as well share my webpage with smut, casinos and spam, too.



And of course fear of the mighty, strictly-enforced TOS keeps everyone in line

lol and SL isnt??

Well I'm at an event now with a noob called Eugene "Rod" Roddenberry junior and he has said that SL is "Cool" and how it's awesome that you can fly here.

Not a mention of porn!

You're not AOL. They can't.

That's because I declined to get distracted by your digression. It makes sense in the context of the message you quoted.

I just watched a movie with my son. That was more fun than Facebook. And more productive.

Okay, since you don't seem to be able to discuss "the internet" without discussing AOL, let's discuss AOL.

My mom has AOL. So does my sister. It's how her kids used to access "the internet" (probably not still true). It's how my brother's kids access "the internet". It's how my friend, the librarian, accesses "the internet". Same with my friend the RV mechanic.

AOL can market "the internet" to these middle America people because they don't see "the internet" as a porn stash. They can get their news, IM their friends, email their siblings, shop at amazon, schedule flights, connect with people in their hobby, etc., all without seeing pornography.

This is possible because amazon, expedia, CNN, the kids' game site, the knitting channel and the AOL interface itself can all offer a porn-free experience. Yes, mom can type "pornstar barbie" into the search bar and maybe find an SL-like experience on "the internet".

But she doesn't have to.

My mom can choose to not see pornography. When I create a website, I can offer a porn-free experience so people like my mom can visit and not have to see porn.

I've never been propositioned for sex on any of the hobby sites I visit. Never had anyone ask me to show them my boobs at amazon.com. Never had a flexi penis waved in my face at CNN. Never had anyone show me their leg-humping anim while emailing a friend.

You aren't going to see SL cards at Target until the same can be said about SL.

Why not? I see IMVU cards there, and it's full of horn dogs.

I can discuss the internet without discussing AOL. There's lots of other companies that sell "the internet" to people. AOL was convenient because they sell it REAL HARD.

They used to. There were huge nasty stories about "The Internet Porn Ring" all over the place in the early '90s. They went away because they were hugely overblown, not because the Internet changed.

It's not true that SL is all over porn, either. That's a myth that some people like to push, but it's not true. You can find it easier than some people like, but I don't see it all over the place when I'm not looking for it.

Not if you get email they can't. Or don't you consider explicit viagra ads as porn?

IMVU is not a open world where you can see from one person's space into another. You cannot enter a space listed as adult if you are not adult verified, you cannot see the products for sale that are listed as adult if you are not adult verified.(note that if you go to Anshe Chung's website and follow thru to the products she is selling on IMVU you can see her adult dungeons etc but you still can't see any penises).

Free Realms, the example Argent uses in his jira, is a online game so completely geared to a Pre-Teen/Teen audience as to be those apples and oranges he's so fond of. You could say it would be like trying to figure out what Middle America thinks by asking a bunch of giddy pre-pubescent girls coming out of Elementary School.

In SL you can shop for adult products on XStreet without doing much more then any porn website requires which is clicking on a little box that says "I want to view mature content". You don't even have to log-in as an account to be able to see the vast array of prim genitalia and the devices people have created to torture them with available to you.

In SL you can be standing on a PG sim and cam into someones Mature sim to witness pixel-bumping images of simulated sex acts. I mean we've been assured by this or that Linden that things we do "in the privacy of our own homes" in a Mature sim is safe from the new Adult Content rules, right?

And this is why Zindra is pointless as a tool to make SL "more predictable". Nor will it do anything to help change SL's image as Porntopia to make it more palatable to Middle America or sellable thru Walmart.

When Philip Rosedale decided it was a pretty funny to give his first keynote speech about SL in a sequined codpiece and a Rocky Horror T-shirt, he helped form the publics opinion of what SL was. When Anshe Chung was pelted with penises at an in-world Business News Conference, she helped form the public's opinion of what SL was. When Stroker Serpentine decided to file suite against the copyright infringement of his product line of Sex-Beds he'd suffered thru LL's incompetency, he helped form the publics opinion of what SL was. When SkyNews blasted the media with stories of sexual age-play in SL, they helped form the public's opinion of what SL was.

You can write a million articles about Art Exhibits and University students and Corporate business that the great majority of people who see them will yawn at. When the headline says "SEX!" you're going to get better attention, guarenteed.

"Sex!!" has been in SL's headline for almost 6 years. Zindra, as a huge concentration of easily accessed virtual Adult Content ain't gonna change that.

Zindra was a fail the second it was conceived and certainly by the time it's ridiculous policies began being implemented. For it's concept to succeed it would have required clear policy, consistent implementation and effective management by LL. None of those things happened or look as tho they will happen anytime soon. It's been a Fail since day one.

Is it Zindra that is fail from day one or the whole Adult Content changes fail since day one?

Many of us have pointed out the shortcomings of the whole Adult Content Fiasco. As far as Zindra itself being a a failed continent I don't see that happening, however, the Adult Content changes have been a failure since March 12th and will most likely be a complete failure and waste of LL's resources for the near future.

Zindra contains Adult Content but is not the Adult Content Policy.

Yes, Pie, people were saying the same thing about the whole Internet in the early '90s. That's when I learned the hard way you don't talk to reporters, because they'll take everything you say and twist it beyond recognition.

How can Zindra possibly succeed as a business model continent when the Adult Content Policy that spawned it is such an abysmal failure?

Believe me, Argent, I am perfectly aware how people can twist and turn things said to them. But that still doesn't make SL "the NEW Internet" anymore then any other micro-transaction free to play MMO social platform/game. You might be able to see the distinct differences, but Middle America doesn't. Neither does Walmart.

It may have a bit more success,when you finally have to be verified to access all adult content..Until all adult content is under the verification,those that don't have to verify yet or don't want to yet,will wait and keep using the adult content that is still on mature lands..

I don't know how hard it would have been to have made zindra mature until the changes are finished..It would have made things a bit smoother for residents and merchants..

I entirely agree with you that SL isn't the new internet. I've made the same point myself. SL is not like the Internet in many ways, but it does have in common that people are twisting and distorting what it is to promote their own agendas, whether they're Linden Labs (who don't seem to understand what they have any more) or muck-raking wowsers. And another thing it has in common is that despite the fact that you can deliberately or accidentally find porn there, most people who simply visit known websites or known locations won't.

Amen!

Except one resident who left for RL reasons, whom all Bay City folks have already shared good wishes.

Ain't nothing wrong with Bay City. Someone took land across the canal from me who apparently was one of the earlier residents. Made a very nice little park on Route 66.

Back to topic: heh re the tacky landscape of Zindra. Well that defines mainland from estate adult establishments. It's that "playground" and "playing" thing. Kinda making sex into more of an immature pasttime. Nothing wrong with that but there's no illusions here.

You've also never seen 3-D builds that you can interact with on your hobby site. You've never gotten a tour of an art gallery, given by the artist, live in real-time on amazon. You have never gone to CNN.com and heard a live musician and enjoyed it with 30 other people in real time.

You are comparing apples to oranges, but only showing the bad apples... just to support your point.

I've been thinking the exact opposite.

Zindra is already full of blingy scripty lag-inducing porn. The last place I would want to put my home is on Zindra.

Under the TOS, I can put my home on mainland in a skybox and fill it with Sibians and Dildos and BDSM Harnesses and Sex Beds to my hearts content, invite a few friends, and wear ourselves out...

As long as I don't advertise the plot and as long as I keep it off the ground - put it where you have to cam over or set your neighboring skybox right next to it to see it - its fine for all the naughty sex a person could want in private.

Mainland is much better for a home - less chance of get script and ad banner griefed.


But Zindra already looks like a shopping mall. For that to end up home friendly will take a lot of commercial porn leaving Zindra... and where will it go? Estates?

Porn producers are infamous for not wanting somebody else setting the terms of their shop - LL may do that, but they do it slowly and with a lot of feedback. An Estate can change its rules everyday, and probably will on a commercial porn lot which ends up being a little too 'blatant.'

Homes - mainland or estate
Porn - Zindra or estate (but better to not put your porn on estate unless you own the sim or you are tasteful porn.)

Had you been paying attention to this policy change you would have known that Zindra was laggy when it first opened. Nothing has changed.



you don't have to put it in a skybox - as long as it's behind walls. Ground is still fine.



I would have ignored this until a few days back but I've been griefed twice now in the last few days. First time in probably 2+ years. Apart from giving the little darlings ideas by mentioning it, it will die down when the kids go back to school.


which particular bit of the "only commercialised content gets a swap" are you missing? Of course it's going to be full of shops. Saying that though I just don't see it. Perhaps in the city centre but outside it looks pretty same old - except that they've taken more care with their builds so it looks almost pleasant in parts.



Where do you get your ideas from?? You have a strange opinion of human sexual behaviour. That first sentence in the paragraph had me going "huh?" You might like to a. define your terms and b. produce evidence of this supposed intransigence and this implication that now adult areas are going to become some kind of in your face extreme sport.



I can only think that one of your kinks is the thrill you get from typing the word porn.

/me shrugs

http://www.anomalies-unlimited.com/Disney/Interests.html

Corps love porn. They just don't love to be known for it publicly so they do it under different labels. Porn is BIG money, and was and is also key in driving much of the innovation of the internet.

To get porn to customers, all sorts of streaming technology had to be developed, and a lot of money was made, and then that same technology was re-branded for middle America.

Porn won't keep the corps off of SL. The lack of porn might. But when they come here for the porn, it won't be under the names you know them by on mainstreet. That said, they will simultaneously use those names and come here in other parts of SL.

That is, if they could figure out how to cash in. For that, we need easy premade abilities to exist in SL for using it as a medium to buy off-grid content. I should be able to enter a corp's SL store, and order a t-shirt or a DvD and have it sent to me in RL, not just a 3D version to my in world avatar.

I should be able to go to a Toyota Sim, walk all around the new Prius, and then drop a notecard to get a RL dealer near my house to hold one for me or drive it over.

I should be able to go to a safeway Sim, walk around the grocery store, and pick items, and have those items delivered to my home on a weekly basis.

Etc...

But all that is going to require the porn innovators to figure out how to do it first, and then send that tech upstream to their parent companies.

And those parent companies won't want the porn leaving. They -DO- want it pushed out of the mainstreet of SL, where they set up shop, but they know full well that having it somewhere on the Grid attracts the customers into the Grid, and once there, those customers will also visit the parent company's Sim...

I think you're inferring all kinds of things into what I typed that weren't in what I actually typed, so I have no real way to be able to respond to you because I cannot understand your inferences...

food for thought:

Permanent Panties For Second Life Avatars?
Underwear lockdown discovered in new Second Life viewer

http://foo.secondlifeherald.com/slh/2009/07/permanent-panties-for-second-life-avatars.html