Betting time on Zindra

I haven't been following the adult threads extremely carefully, but I'd say it leaves you with a little bigger overhead. You, and many animation shops, would do well with a Mature store and an Adult department in Zindra. In your case, your main location would probably be the Zindra one. Each has LM's to the other, with descriptions of the wares to be found in the "other" store. Why is this tragic? Many many stores in SL have more than one location. From the shopper's viewpoint, it matters little whether the button I click to get to a store's Adult dept. does a TP or opens a landmark. If I am looking for bondage or sex stuff, I have to expect to end up in Zindra, and will be on an Adult avatar.

It would be tragic if, for example, Bits and Bobs moved entirely to Zindra or an adult sim. But, why would they? A big part of their business is furniture and dance anims. They already have multiple locations - so, one of them, a very popular one, will be in Zindra. *shrugs*

If I like what I see in your mature store, and you make it easy to find your Adult store, then when I need adult merchandise I'll login an adult avatar, go to your mature store, and take the LM to your Adult department.
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This is probably what LL want, this is how you kill adult content because people aren't going to keep their stores open in two locations just in case someone pops along to the main place and fancies a bit of naughty. Some will get away with that but many won't.

It isn't Zindra's success we should be worrying about ..

It is Linden Labs guaranteed dismay by how popular Zindra will be.

But Zindra's like a fabled land!
/me skips over the Queen of Sluts part...

"There's nothing there but holy-days
With music out of measure;
Who can forbear to speak the praise
Of such a land of pleasure?
There may you lead a lazy life
Free from all kind of labours:
And he that is without a wife,
May borrow of his neighbour."


Also:


Pish tosh.

I think Zindra is pretty groovy as I have met some of the coolest people in SL there. Also it is distinctly lacking in griefers who I presume do not want to account verify. On the other hand, my traffic has been so-so and sales are down. Not sure if that is the state of the economy or the Zindra move specifically. Not ready to declare the sky is falling at any rate.

In the long run, I think Zindra will be a great success as long as LL sticks to their guns with sex places that still are marked Mature. As it is at this moment, a lot of the pervs don't have a real motivation to age verify as there is a ton of smut readily available on Mature as if nothing has changed.

Naw... I'm verified. =^-^=

Sorry I suspect otherwise.

Scenerio 1
Corporate Estate attached to percieved family friendly grid with 1,000,000 online

Scenerio 2
Corporate Estate attached to perceived porn grid with 80,000 online

Which are they going to invest their flying figs in?

Since when has the grid been able to handle 1,000,000 online? If there were 1,000,000 online the corps wouldn't give a fig about the porn either. They give a fig about what they can sell and they haven't figured out how to sell in Second Life, that's the bottom line and it has nowt to do with porn, there's far more porn on the internet and there's far more people using it and the corps have figured out how to use it and that's all that matters to them.

/me thinks you missed the keyword: percieved.

/me thinks you missed the context:

"Scenerio 2
Corporate Estate attached to perceived porn grid with 80,000 online"

Which is a technical issue, not a porn issue.

Well if the grid isn't ever going to handle more than 80,000 online, it's good as dead, it has to open up and expand to be able to take millions online. We will be come dust when other family friendly grids do grab a majority of internet users. We can't keep excluding the underage by keeping SL as adult tech.

The one that actually exists?

Newsflash to you and everyone else who hasn't figured it out yet.

Second Life aint the precursor to the Metaverse, the 3D web, The Ubergrid, The Ultranet, or whatever they are calling it this week.

Second Life is NEVER going to have 1,000,000 concurrent users.

Me thinks you missed the context. Which is going to be more desired for corporate investment a percieved family friendly SL with a million online access restricted naughty areas or a percieved porn/deviate SL that only has 80,000 online because pretty much everyone interested is here now.

I agree with a name like "Secoond Life" it won't be called that by then, otherwise it's just a fail just waiting to go down the tube then if it can't evolve any further towards the "3D internet of the future" Phillip wanted it to become.

Newsflash2, people said 2 years ago SL would never have 10,000 online
And people in 2003 probably guessed no more than 1000

I'll say it again, there's far more easily accessible porn on the internet, there are far more people surfing the web than there are in Second Life, business knows how to sell via the web, they don't know how to sell via Second Life and when they figure out how to they'll be here.

Adobe, IBM, Sun, Dell, Orange, The UK government and umpteen universities are here now and not giving a flying fig about this so called porn issue because it isn't a big issue. None of those companies, univiersities or government institutes would associate themselves with porn, the FBI are here for cripes sake.

It's not the porn keeping the corps out.

And I'll say it again, the corps are staying out because the population is staying out, and the general population are staying out because SL as a whole is viewed as a Porntopia. Change SL's image and the population will climb resulting in more people and more spending.

Exactly, that's why they are spending in MySpace, Facebook, Ning, BlueMars etc instead of here.

No they didn't

In July 2007?

You numbers are off. Way off.

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However the concurrency numbers have been out of wack since 6-6-6 and unlimited free accounts.

It really shouldn't be hard to figure out.

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But really its obvious Second Life will be replaced by the next big online thing before it ever gets to 1.000.000 even with all the bots.

Second Life just doesn't have the spark that hits truly popular online destinations. If it were going to be the 3D virtual world's answer to Myspace or Facebook or Youtube, etc. It would have happened already.

So why when there is far more easily accessible porn on the internet are the corps not staying away from there? Why are the general population not staying away too? It's not porn keeping corps or users out, it's technical issues, learning curves, perceived geekiness, difficulty in using it and finding something to do.

SL doesn't have a reputation as a porn haven, it has a reputation as being geeky.

I think SL's reputation is "Huh, what is Second Life?"

Or less commonly .. "Oh, I thought that was just some made up thing from CSI"

Among the informed though it has a reputation for being Weird or Geeky.

No, they're on Myspace, Facebook and Twitter because they can figure out what to do with them. It has absolutely nothing to do with them being kid safe or family friendly.

It doesn't matter whether it's porn or geeky, fact is SL's rputation isn't as good as Facebook, Myspace whatever the billions of internet users are doing on more successful sites than SL
They are using the internet because there isn't any other option, if there were 2 internets porn/geeky and non-porn/non-geeky you can bet they'd balance their precence according to the number of users. Not the one that was more porn/geeky or kid restricted.
And that is why LL are hiding porn and geekyness under the carpet, Zindra, the new low tech look viewer 09 etc
If they are going to get 1,000,000 online they aren't going to do it by leaving SL as is and just improving the avatar mesh. Unless of course LL only want 80,000 online.

I think this is correct--and the more spending will include more spending on pr0n. There's nothing like an aura of respectability to give the "respectable people" cover to get really raunchy.

(That's not to say the corporates will follow the population, though. I doubt it. But that's a whole different thread.)
This is in search of a Ginormous Pink Penis and the Big Broad in Bonds, yes? From Mosh, try your other North--the direction the rest of us stubbornly call "West". Give it a couple sims and you should find what you seek, Pilgrim.

Facebook and Myspace are easier to use and run on a far wider range of computers. Myspace has certainly had its fair share of bad publicity, as has Bebo with stories about underage girls and their photos and such like but they do just fine still.



No they are using the internet because they can sell on it and non porn sites far outweigh porn sites.

Linden Lab are selling Second Life to corps as a meeting place and many are probably not impressed by that idea.