Is Voice Chat the end of Role Play in SL?
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Draco18s Majestic
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05-03-2007 07:33
From: Colette Meiji What kind of motivation? Fingerpainting?
Your formula produces results lower than 10 IQ for any set of human measurments.
36-26-36 (cliche) nets an IQ of 3 Order of opperations. Division comes BEFORE the addition.
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Colette Meiji
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05-03-2007 07:41
From: Draco18s Majestic Order of opperations. Division comes BEFORE the addition. Ohhh right sorry so 36+(36/26) = 38 IQ =) much better, he could almost manage to drool unaided.
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Brenda Connolly
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05-03-2007 08:35
From: Colette Meiji Ohhh
right sorry
so 36+(36/26) = 38 IQ
=) much better, he could almost manage to drool unaided. You going back into Gor, Hon?
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05-03-2007 08:56
From: Brenda Connolly You going back into Gor, Hon? LOL yeah thats it 
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05-03-2007 16:41
Sounds like there are alot of homophobic types out there. Stop looking to get laid and you solve the problem of what is at the keyboard. Some sound so paranoid that they'll be 'duped', 'mislead', hornswaggled' or whatever it make me wonder WHY you play the game.
One guys says.. "oh.. if they say in their bio that they keep the 1st life seperate, They must have something to hide." YES! they just might, surprise surprise. IF I were a Real Life Bill Gates type or a High profile lawyer... an Actress or any one of a thousand jobs that put me in the public eye... damn right Im keeping my REAL LIFE OUT of second life.
This is.. Second Life.. as the name implies it means something other than you 1st life. If talking about your real life in second life is SO important....use the on off switch on the puter... and go talk to your neighbor..go out to a club.. the beach.. whatever.
Many people its seems dont give a rats patoot who is at the keyboard and take things as they come.. good for you. Now its time to fade away from this Real life posting (with a name thats not real...need to point that out for some) and get beack to me Second life.
laters
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05-03-2007 16:46
From: Chani Paine Sounds like there are alot of homophobic types out there. Stop looking to get laid and you solve the problem of what is at the keyboard. Some sound so paranoid that they'll be 'duped', 'mislead', hornswaggled' or whatever it make me wonder WHY you play the game.
One guys says.. "oh.. if they say in their bio that they keep the 1st life seperate, They must have something to hide." YES! they just might, surprise surprise. IF I were a Real Life Bill Gates type or a High profile lawyer... an Actress or any one of a thousand jobs that put me in the public eye... damn right Im keeping my REAL LIFE OUT of second life.
This is.. Second Life.. as the name implies it means something other than you 1st life. If talking about your real life in second life is SO important....use the on off switch on the puter... and go talk to your neighbor..go out to a club.. the beach.. whatever.
Many people its seems dont give a rats patoot who is at the keyboard and take things as they come.. good for you. Now its time to fade away from this Real life posting (with a name thats not real...need to point that out for some) and get beack to me Second life.
laters lol Later, dude!
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05-03-2007 16:59
From: Chani Paine This is.. Second Life.. as the name implies it means something other than you 1st life. If talking about your real life in second life is SO important....use the on off switch on the puter... and go talk to your neighbor..go out to a club.. the beach.. whatever.
Anyplace besides your Mom's basement. Nicely said. 
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05-07-2007 06:02
From: Fox Absolute ...I don't see how anyone can argue that voice chat is going to become the "standard" that everyone is going to be pressured into. I point you at a post earlier in this thread about the use of voice in the voice beta grid, saying that those who typed were pointed at how to use voice and then ignored. From: someone Think about what you're saying, too. What about people with eyesight problems who can't really read text too well? What about dyslexics? Those people have those problems for all their computer use, not just SL, and hence probably already have voice-to-text software already... and if they do, how will voice in SL help them any further? Admittedly, it would be good to have some way that the visually impaired could use some way to have the text output of SL fed to a voice synthesizer, but that's very different from voice input.
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05-07-2007 08:39
I have told people for years that I won't speak very much about my real life, and I've stuck to that safely for probably... 11 years. The reason for this is when I first started to get online as a very young woman, I was eager to be liked. I am reasonably pretty (my friends tend to agree I'm about an  , I keep in shape, etc. So I put my picture up on line and talked about myself freely. I got a lot of attention all right. Picked up a few stalkers right off the bat, and had to completely cover my tracks eventually and NEVER go to a convention of online folks in case those people were attending. I will never, ever, reveal my real name, location (beyond the widest of generalities), or specific job because what I do is so specialized I can be found through that route. I have my REASONS. People can assume I'm an 80 year old fat man if they want; if they really care too much about who's behind the online avatar, they're probably not the sort I hang out with anyway. I do not tell this information even to people I like and trust online because then the burden shifts to them to keep secrets and to know which ones I want to keep secret. That is not fair to them. I've been ridiculed for this, had folks demand that I call them to 'prove' who I was, had online friends think I didn't trust or like them unless I said more about myself, etc. It's a pain, but it's well worth the peace and quiet in my real life. Many of us do have something to hide. Our privacy.
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05-07-2007 08:51
From: Fiona Branagh I have told people for years that I won't speak very much about my real life, and I've stuck to that safely for probably... 11 years. The reason for this is when I first started to get online as a very young woman, I was eager to be liked. I am reasonably pretty (my friends tend to agree I'm about an  , I keep in shape, etc. So I put my picture up on line and talked about myself freely. I got a lot of attention all right. Picked up a few stalkers right off the bat, and had to completely cover my tracks eventually and NEVER go to a convention of online folks in case those people were attending. I will never, ever, reveal my real name, location (beyond the widest of generalities), or specific job because what I do is so specialized I can be found through that route. I have my REASONS. People can assume I'm an 80 year old fat man if they want; if they really care too much about who's behind the online avatar, they're probably not the sort I hang out with anyway. I do not tell this information even to people I like and trust online because then the burden shifts to them to keep secrets and to know which ones I want to keep secret. That is not fair to them. I've been ridiculed for this, had folks demand that I call them to 'prove' who I was, had online friends think I didn't trust or like them unless I said more about myself, etc. It's a pain, but it's well worth the peace and quiet in my real life. I'm with you. I know of one person whose photo was misused orm amn online encounter, winding up in all kinds of places, as well as one who was stalked terribly by someone else. Anyone who questions one's motives for wishing to remain anonymous here is not someone I really want to associate with anyway.
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05-07-2007 09:13
From: Brenda Connolly I'm with you. I know of one person whose photo was misused orm amn online encounter, winding up in all kinds of places, as well as one who was stalked terribly by someone else. Anyone who questions one's motives for wishing to remain anonymous here is not someone I really want to associate with anyway. a few years ago, my friend (a 20-something gay guy) had a middle aged lady fly from Ireland to England to be with him. she'd read a little too much into their Paltalk chats and thought they were on the verge of engagement. at no point did he allude to romance, he just thought she was a fab online friend. she used little tidbits of information he'd provided to get his real address (very easy with electoral role data because it's available online) and literally camped out on his doorstep when she got there, furious because he was so freaked out by the lengths she'd gone to that he wouldn't let her inside. there are some strange people out there. the strangest thing about this woman was that she was a trade union rep, and very accustomed to resolving problems (from petty to political) and dealing with people at a professional level on a daily basis. loneliness does strange things to people, i guess..and the net isn't always the best place to look for company..or acceptance.
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Fiona Branagh
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05-07-2007 09:48
It's quite true - not all 'stalkers' or lonely people are stupid. Many of them can find out where you live from tiny clues that you give, and triangulate from there.
That happened to me, even when I thought I was being unforthcoming with my personal information. I mean, I barely said anything about myself but was just a little too chatty about what I did at work.
Had a fellow come to my house, and camp out on my couch. Not only that, but I found out he'd gone through my wallet not to steal, but to find out more about me once he got there (to 'find out my birthday so he could give me a present.')
I've since moved and changed all my online contacts, but it's a good lesson on what people will figure out if you give them half the chance.
By the way, this was a person who was quite smart (as you may have guessed), funny, great to play online games with, adult, with a responsible job, and someone I would never ever have thought would turn obsessive like that.
You just can't ever know.
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05-07-2007 11:27
I'm probably a little less wary than I should be, but I don't have an issue with arranging a meeting with someone I know online and going out for lunch or something, but I make it pretty clear that I'm not available relationship wise.
I guess furries are just like that. *Shrugs* We meet up every year and pile into a hotel (or three) for the weekend, meeting for lunch outside of that is normal.
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05-07-2007 13:08
From: Fiona Branagh I will never, ever, reveal my real name, location (beyond the widest of generalities), or specific job because what I do is so specialized I can be found through that route. I have my REASONS. People can assume I'm an 80 year old fat man if they want; if they really care too much about who's behind the online avatar, they're probably not the sort I hang out with anyway.
Amen. Had a stalker once, wasn't fun. Later on in my internet "career" of about two years, on an online hobby forum, writing under a pseudonym, someone from my work recognized me on the basis of a few random things I said. Fortunately, this time, not a stalker, but it taught me how fragile privacy is. You might think you're anonymous, but if your voice is out there, you're recognizable--especially if you are at all in the public eye in RL. I won't use voice, though I might listen to streamed classes or some such. I certainly will never speak in SL, even with a voice alteration device. As Brenda says, if that makes annoying people think I'm a fat guy living in his mother's basement, well fine. It might cut down on unwanted attention, at least. For those of you out there who find voice chat annoying, dislike the privacy and harassment issues, want to RP, or just find (as I do) text a more pleasant and accurate means of communication--don't use voice. Don't let people bully you into using it. Insist on text communication. It's voting by example, rather than simply rolling over and letting thing change for the worse.
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05-07-2007 14:08
From: Virrginia Tombola Amen.
Had a stalker once, wasn't fun. Later on in my internet "career" of about two years, on an online hobby forum, writing under a pseudonym, someone from my work recognized me on the basis of a few random things I said. Fortunately, this time, not a stalker, but it taught me how fragile privacy is.
You might think you're anonymous, but if your voice is out there, you're recognizable--especially if you are at all in the public eye in RL.
I won't use voice, though I might listen to streamed classes or some such. I certainly will never speak in SL, even with a voice alteration device. As Brenda says, if that makes annoying people think I'm a fat guy living in his mother's basement, well fine. It might cut down on unwanted attention, at least.
For those of you out there who find voice chat annoying, dislike the privacy and harassment issues, want to RP, or just find (as I do) text a more pleasant and accurate means of communication--don't use voice. Don't let people bully you into using it. Insist on text communication. It's voting by example, rather than simply rolling over and letting thing change for the worse. I will be more than happy to text the day away anytime I'm inworld with any of you. 
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05-07-2007 14:52
>>>but I make it pretty clear that I'm not available relationship wise.<<<
I do as well. Clear as day. Stalkers generally feel that they can change your mind or that you somehow have hinted that they are the exception, no matter how specifically you have worded "I. Am. Not. Looking. For. A. Relationship."
And yes, I won't be bullied into using voice. I'll be happy to support anyone else that wishes to use the text medium.
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05-07-2007 15:33
I think all the talk about people being strong-armed into using voice or left out of all the fun is very premature. While I'm looking forward to having the option for voice chat without having to go through a bunch of third-party hassles to do it, I suspect that text chat will be the default mode of communication in SL for many years to come.
First of all, many of us do not live alone and even if we're not discussing things we don't want others around us to overhear, it can still be uncomfortable or disruptive to the rest of the household.
Second, as should be obvious from the replies in this thread, many, many people (myself included) are more comfortable communicating in text. That's not going to suddenly change.
Third, voice chat has been available in other mediums (through SL via third-parties and in Yahoo/Messenger) for a long time and is still very much a fringe activity, far from being a norm in SL.
I'm looking forward to voice chat for several reasons:
1) For closer friendships, relationships, etc., it can provide a way to get through complex, uncomfortable, and/or contentious conversations much more quickly and clearly than with text. I've noticed the habit of people too busy thinking of what they're going to say next (rather than listening to what others are saying) often gets worse in text-chat, since they are probably already busy typing it.
2) It would be fun hearing some of my friends voices for the first time (other than the occasional uploaded sound-effect). At least one of my good friends will not be using voice chat under any circumstances, and I completely respect that.
3) On a personal note, I'm very phobic of telephones. Seriously - I have to work up my courage just to order a pizza, and usually I have someone else do it. Voice-chat in SL will provide me with at least the illusion of face-to-face conversation while I work on getting used to speaking without having body language and facial expressions for feedback. I gave it a try on the beta-grid and I think I'm going to be able to handle it.
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05-07-2007 19:53
Here are my two cents on this....
I am a heavy RP'er in Gorean Sims, I am also a Furry, and finally I majored in Media Arts and Animation. (meaning I know the game industry)
A) I think voice is a good idea to: figure out who is underage and should not be on the grid.
However, I know for a fact most people who have female avvies are infact male irl, I think you will start to see some female avvies never sign on again after voice is established.
In RP combat sims, fights over the outcome can be talked over in OOC and not in main written chat. I think you will start to see ooc moved to voice. I already do this with skype.
B) I think some furs will use the voice system, but the other half will not. I over all have only talked to a hand full of people from gor in voice. As for furs I know most of them IRL lol
Over all it will be interesting
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05-07-2007 19:59
From: Annie Malaprop 3) On a personal note, I'm very phobic of telephones. Seriously - I have to work up my courage just to order a pizza, and usually I have someone else do it. Voice-chat in SL will provide me with at least the illusion of face-to-face conversation while I work on getting used to speaking without having body language and facial expressions for feedback. I gave it a try on the beta-grid and I think I'm going to be able to handle it.
You too? HEH! I hate hate HATE using telephones! Anytime I'd get a call it was always bad news or I stammered alot or just lost interest in talking to the person. I always tell people "If you need me, just email me. I'll answer email before I answer a phone".
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05-07-2007 20:16
From: OggyWolf Rosewood However, I know for a fact most people who have female avvies are infact male irl, I think you will start to see some female avvies never sign on again after voice is established. I think that's a bit of an exaggeration - although I've heard from several sources that a large percentage of female Gorean slaves are actually male in RL so I'm not surprised that your SL experiences may lead you to believe that this is the case. (I haven't heard one way or the other with furries, but I imagine that furries might be more open and flexible about gender than the general SL population.) I don't believe that's even close to being true for SL as a whole, though, particularly since most of the people I know in RL who are also in SL are women with female avs. If what you said was true, then (unless most of the male avatars are actually women in RL) then it would naturally follow that SL is populated almost entirely by men - and that just doesn't seem to be the case.
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05-07-2007 22:46
From: Colette Meiji Ohhh right sorry so 36+(36/26) = 38 IQ =) much better, he could almost manage to drool unaided. I nominate this for Post of the Day. 
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05-07-2007 23:00
From: Chani Paine Sounds like there are alot of homophobic types out there. Stop looking to get laid and you solve the problem of what is at the keyboard. Some sound so paranoid that they'll be 'duped', 'mislead', hornswaggled' or whatever it make me wonder WHY you play the game.
Indeed it does. It's pretty depressing to see so much homophobia. I especially hate it when some dimwit starts claiming that using an avie of the other gender is a form of "lying." Unless I am in an actual relationship with the aforementioned dimwit, my gender is none of his business. But the lower IQ segment of SL have been begging for gender verification for a long time, and they are likely to seize voice as a tool for doing so. I'm going to try as much as possible to keep voice out of the meetings of my group, Bisexuals in SL. I have a real life picture of me on my first life tab, but it's not there so that Dimwit can make sure I'm really a girl. It's so I can show him how fat and middle-aged I am so he will leave me alone. LOL 
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05-07-2007 23:20
I tried voice chat , I liked it a lot, but I have one concern, and it is trying to understand those with a thick or annoying accent. I hope foreign speakers will have some common sense if they should talk, or keep typing, but I doubt it. ( I have an accent myself, btw )
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05-08-2007 00:48
From: Bo Berger I tried voice chat , I liked it a lot, but I have one concern, and it is trying to understand those with a thick or annoying accent. I hope foreign speakers will have some common sense if they should talk, or keep typing, but I doubt it. ( I have an accent myself, btw ) Accents can also be sexy. 
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05-08-2007 05:12
From: Brenda Archer Indeed it does. It's pretty depressing to see so much homophobia. I especially hate it when some dimwit starts claiming that using an avie of the other gender is a form of "lying." Unless I am in an actual relationship with the aforementioned dimwit, my gender is none of his business. But the lower IQ segment of SL have been begging for gender verification for a long time, and they are likely to seize voice as a tool for doing so. I'm going to try as much as possible to keep voice out of the meetings of my group, Bisexuals in SL. I have a real life picture of me on my first life tab, but it's not there so that Dimwit can make sure I'm really a girl. It's so I can show him how fat and middle-aged I am so he will leave me alone. LOL  The only problem is a lot of them can't use voice anyway, living in their Mom's basement and all...... 
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