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Is Voice Chat the end of Role Play in SL?

Brenda Connolly
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04-28-2007 08:37
In some cases it may be fun to sit back and listen...with some popcorn......
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04-28-2007 08:41
From: Fox Absolute



Here's the remedy: add a simple "no sound" icon toggle that indicates you can't hear voice chat. That's all LL needs to do to complete the feature. Then people can clearly see that you can't hear them, and so they type for you. There, that sure did fix every single problem people are cutting themselves over. I understand the natural reaction to something that has a minor flaw is to cry foul and call for heads, but we really can fix the squeaky wheel with some oil rather than calling the entire carriage and its passengers broken.

Yes, I realize that not everyone who is against this feature is being an outspoken prick about it, so kudos to you for at least voicing your opinion in an intelligent fashion. As for everyone else (especially Yiffy, who I've never actually heard say "Hey, that's a good idea" about anything), can't you find something more important to riot about? Voice chat is meant to be a "that's nice" kind of thing, not an "eat our you-know-what and like it" poke in the eye.


Or add a "yes sound " toggle..... :p

Fox makes Absolute sense here. Very logical, and well thought. Therefore, you get a poke in the eye for throwing cold water on a perfectly good bitchfest. ;)
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04-28-2007 08:44
From: Fox Absolute
Here's the remedy: add a simple "no sound" icon toggle that indicates you can't hear voice chat. That's all LL needs to do to complete the feature. Then people can clearly see that you can't hear them, and so they type for you.
That has been the idea from the very start if you go back and read the initial blog post about voice.

The opposition against it was/is that if voice-enabled avies look normal, and those who don't use voice get visually marked/tagged, then it makes them stand out in a negative way. I think the general public preference (on the forums) was to mark those using voice instead.

My personal experience from the beta was that people with a non-voice beta would walk up, get told where to download the voice beta and from then on they simply didn't exist and nothing they typed would even get an acknowledgement.

There was no shortage of ridiculing people who would choose not to use voice either (in the general "when this hits the main grid" sense, not about someone who was standing right there).
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04-28-2007 08:50
From: Brenda Connolly
Could someone give a quick primer on what all the game Acronyms stand for. Or am I the only one who has never played any of them?



SWG- is star wars galaxies
AO - is Anarchy Online
WOW - is World of Warcraft
COH - is City of Heroes
GW - is Guild Wars
UO - Is Ultima Online
EQ- Is Everquest
E&B - Earth and Beyond
DDO - Dungeons and Dragons Online
Eve - Eve Online

Im sure theres a lot more- I have only played a couple of those but Play one you hear the acronyms for the others lol.

Funny that Anti Voice people take shortcuts typing?

hehe
Colette Meiji
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04-28-2007 08:52
From: Kitty Barnett

My personal experience from the beta was that people with a non-voice beta would walk up, get told where to download the voice beta and from then on they simply didn't exist and nothing they typed would even get an acknowledgement.

There was no shortage of ridiculing people who would choose not to use voice either (in the general "when this hits the main grid" sense, not about someone who was standing right there).


This is no surprize.

What surprized me is the people who claim that there will be none of that going on. They seem far too Unrealistic to me.
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04-28-2007 09:28
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Especially something thats always been available to them OUTSIDE of SL even before it was natively included in the client. You do have the option of muting voice chat either on your end or by muting the talker, you're not being forced to use it, don't force other people to not use it.


So, if it can be gotten for free outside SL then landowners have to pay to use it inside SL?
Because that IS what's happening. Instead of the people who want to voice whereever because of Skype now get to voice where the land says they can (and the landowner pays for it) and those of us who DON'T want it are forced to jump through extra hoops.

From: FireFox Bancroft
You do have the option of muting voice chat either on your end or by muting the talker, you're not being forced to use it, don't force other people to not use it.


Mute != AR

From: Colette Meiji
Funny that Anti Voice people take shortcuts typing?


I hate to disagree. Those acronyms are used while speaking in the real world too.
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04-28-2007 10:22
From: Draco18s Majestic


I hate to disagree. Those acronyms are used while speaking in the real world too.


hehe you missed my point Draco - just that people who like to type you'd think would type out all the words .. LOL

Of course many of us like to type and use shortcuts.

It was also a bit of an inside joke to Brenda since she was hanging out with me and some of my (well our now) friends the other night and we had a whole text speak conversation.

You are right about the abbreviates coming into spoken words - my kids even say WTF (double U Tee EFF) lol

That whole verizon commercial with the girl speaking in text speak is hillarious to me.

I also think its funny that people want to text on their cell phone but want voice in second life.
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http://www.secondtalk.com/

An easy to use voice solution is the SecondTalk skype thing. Can be worn invisible or visible it looks like a bluetooth earpeice. I have been using it since it came out and it works great. One on one phone chat or up to a group of ten.
Integrates with skype. Notifies you when someone wearing one is around and you can scan manually. Once added to your list you can call them inworld.
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04-29-2007 13:30
From: Simstick Boram
http://www.secondtalk.com/

An easy to use voice solution is the SecondTalk skype thing. Can be worn invisible or visible it looks like a bluetooth earpeice. I have been using it since it came out and it works great. One on one phone chat or up to a group of ten.
Integrates with skype. Notifies you when someone wearing one is around and you can scan manually. Once added to your list you can call them inworld.


While definitely neat, I see the catch- "up to a group of 10". So in a sim of say 11-40 people, you can only converse with 10 or less? Kinda takes the fun out of stuff like large group activities: events, etc.

If I'm at a club or other group activity, the only thing that blows the illusion of "being there" is the lack of voices from a crowd. It'd be neat to be at an SL sporting event & hear the crowd actually cheer.

Still- I'll have to check out the Secondtalk.;)
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04-29-2007 17:15
hey, relax folks! I heard the guys from Vivox talking about 'voice fonts' . You'll be able to sound like a Orc, a chipmunk, a martian, or the opposite gender. It'll be available a little while after the initial roll out, evidently.
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Voice is a leap forward in communication technology. If you're honest you'll dig it. There are a lot of other that are pure roleplay.

The other concerns you bring up are good points, but I remember when there were only a few thousand people on the whole grid. There will always be that many non speakers (typers).

Those who can't or won't use voice will be just fine, and they'll never have to be alone.
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04-30-2007 05:25
From: That whole verizon commercial with the girl speaking in text speak is hillarious to me.

I also think its funny that people want to text on their cell phone but want voice in second life.[/QUOTE


Kind of ironic huh lmao!!!
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04-30-2007 05:47
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Some people are very upset when they find out the real person behind the AV doesn't match the AV. For them, Voice will make role play hard. There are real life guys who aren't going to pick up a girl who sounds like a 58 year old male.



Good point, what about if a person has problems talking? or have a lung or heart disorder that provents them from talking. Breathing problems? etc.......Many Many different issues taht will provent people from using voice. Why is it that everyone wants sl to be a there.com game?
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05-01-2007 06:54
From: Usagi Musashi
Good point, what about if a person has problems talking? or have a lung or heart disorder that provents them from talking. Breathing problems? etc.......Many Many different issues taht will provent people from using voice. Why is it that everyone wants sl to be a there.com game?


I don't blame you for ignoring my post, but go back and read it.

Voice chat is enabling people to talk if they want, it's not taking away your keyboard. People who, for whatever reason, can't use voice chat aren't going to be forced to, and neither are roleplayers who could use voice chat but don't want to.

For as many people that do roleplay 100% and are opposed to this voice chat thing, I don't see how anyone can argue that voice chat is going to become the "standard" that everyone is going to be pressured into.

Think about what you're saying, too. What about people with eyesight problems who can't really read text too well? What about dyslexics? Voice chat is a handicap-ACCESSIBLE feature for people, it's not infringing on people who can't talk (because they already have the ability to type, which for the record isn't going away).
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05-01-2007 07:08
From: Fox Absolute
Think about what you're saying, too. What about people with eyesight problems who can't really read text too well? What about dyslexics? Voice chat is a handicap-ACCESSIBLE feature for people, it's not infringing on people who can't talk (because they already have the ability to type, which for the record isn't going away).


The problem with that is, people who have voice off can't hear. Any of it. At all. Without some way for those people to communicate in text those texters of us will have no indication of their need.

Not saying that they all can't communicates somehow in text, it is an extream case, but if that's what we're looking at in this thread, then I present another.
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05-01-2007 08:08
From: Draco18s Majestic
The problem with that is, people who have voice off can't hear. Any of it. At all. Without some way for those people to communicate in text those texters of us will have no indication of their need.

Not saying that they all can't communicates somehow in text, it is an extream case, but if that's what we're looking at in this thread, then I present another.


That seems a needless setup - There should be a way to listen but then type back instead of voice.

Although Having done that both ways Voiced to someone typing and Typed to someone Voicing me, it feels weird.
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05-01-2007 08:16
From: Usagi Musashi
Good point, what about if a person has problems talking? or have a lung or heart disorder that provents them from talking. Breathing problems? etc......

what if a person has problems typing? arthritic fingers say, or repetitive strain injury?
From: someone
Many Many different issues will provent people from using voice.

disabilities which limit control of input devices (keyboard & mouse) already prevent people from using SL comfortably or at all. at least they now have an accessibility option .

i was a little reluctant about voice at first because i had speech therapy as a child which I think still shows, and being an asthma suffer, i sometimes make ladies in call centres nervous due to my heavy breathing. :D but you know what? i get by with my voice in real-life, and i'll get by with it in SL. :)
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05-01-2007 10:41
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That seems a needless setup - There should be a way to listen but then type back instead of voice.


Oh you can. By enabling voice and then just not using your mic.
Which IMO is stupid.
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05-01-2007 10:45
Everything will be fine. Those of you that use voice will enjoy it and thiose of us that choose not to will be able to do so. I think the paranoia is getting a bit deep here. On both sides.
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05-01-2007 11:17
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Oh you can. By enabling voice and then just not using your mic.
Which IMO is stupid.


You're not even remotely listening to yourself. You complained that you can't hear people talking unless you have voice chat turned on, and the solution is to um... turn voice chat on, but somehow that solution is invalid because you think it's stupid.

This is the point where it's no longer LL's problem. What would your great solution be, then? Let you hear what people are saying if you have voice chat turned OFF (which IMO is stupid)? What the hell is the point of that? Maybe some people don't WANT to hear what others are
saying. Stop imagining up problems to a feature you don't like simply because you think the fixes are "stupid".
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05-01-2007 11:20
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You're not even remotely listening to yourself. You complained that you can't hear people talking unless you have voice chat turned on, and the solution is to um... turn voice chat on, but somehow that solution is invalid because you think it's stupid.

This is the point where it's no longer LL's problem. What would your great solution be, then? Let you hear what people are saying if you have voice chat turned OFF (which IMO is stupid)? What the hell is the point of that? Maybe some people don't WANT to hear what others are
saying. Stop imagining up problems to a feature you don't like simply because you think the fixes are "stupid".


Yet turning voice on doesnt turn Text off?
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05-01-2007 12:48
I'll be happy to see some types of "role play" end.

I'll explain:

I believe some role play borders upon deceit. If you see a guy in a fox avatar then that's obviously role play and I have no problems with that. Yet there are some guys who will happily use a female avatar and treat you as a character in their fantasy world. This form of "role play" is misleading and very off putting.

There is even more subtle forms of role play where a large fifty year old woman will walk around in a twenty year old skinny avatar. This always makes me laugh when I hear people say "Looks don't matter".

Second Life is proof that looks DO matter. There are very few women that dare to use a large avatar.

There was a time when I saw Second Life as a place to be creative. But these days I see it more as a place to role play. So I do understand such wide spread fear of voice.
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05-01-2007 12:55
Ok - I told myself I wouldn't post on this thread but......

Look if you want to role play in voice you can - I have tried a decent voice changer and seen it make a man sound like a woman and a 50ish year old man sound like a boy (sorry can't remember the name: musician friend of mine showed it to me) - so this is not going to be a method of authentication.

But some of us:
1)don't live alone and we don't want our partners/roomates/neighbors to hear what we are talking about in world.
2)we think the constant unfocussed chatter will be disorienting and disruptive
3)feel that we communicate better and more eloquently in text than in voice.

You see all those folks around you text messaging each other?
there's a reason they do that rather than call each other in a multiway conversation on their cell phones. Same reasoning apply

Just my 4 cents
(already posted once so that's two more cents)
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05-01-2007 14:08
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I'll be happy to see some types of "role play" end.

I'll explain:

I believe some role play borders upon deceit. If you see a guy in a fox avatar then that's obviously role play and I have no problems with that. Yet there are some guys who will happily use a female avatar and treat you as a character in their fantasy world. This form of "role play" is misleading and very off putting.

There is even more subtle forms of role play where a large fifty year old woman will walk around in a twenty year old skinny avatar. This always makes me laugh when I hear people say "Looks don't matter".

Second Life is proof that looks DO matter. There are very few women that dare to use a large avatar.

There was a time when I saw Second Life as a place to be creative. But these days I see it more as a place to role play. So I do understand such wide spread fear of voice.

Hmmmm..so you've taken it upon yourself to decide how people will use Second Life. How selfless...... :rolleyes:
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05-01-2007 14:36
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Hmmmm..so you've taken it upon yourself to decide how people will use Second Life. How selfless...... :rolleyes:


Nobody can decide that, not even Linden Lab. :)

I've just given my opinion of why I might like voice in SL.
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