Point to Point Teleporting

From the testing so far it doesnt look like this will break, both using the scripted command i cant tp to underground, instead landing on the ground, i then set a landing point and then raised the terrain 20m and landed nicely on the raised terrain (note it didnt change the landing point just compensated for the ground level)

good to know. i have yet to download the 1.8 preview. Since the whole sites been down today except the forums. ;p I cant wait to try it though. So it isnt pinpoint TP exactly, just gives every parcel a hub?

Effectivaley the landing point acts like a hub, although there is a clear button in the about land box where you can set it to (none set) ie no landing point and then your parcel will act like true p2p, its very much configurable

Landing on a parcel where your not on access list takes you to the next available landing point

Landing on a parcel where your banned ejects you to corner of the sim (im not sure if this is a bug or not, i suggested it should take you to next landing point too, incase you have nasty neighbours etc.)

The whole test on teleport functionality is quite complicated and can be seen here
http://secondlife.com/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=TeleportTest

I own Akasha Village in Weber and how utterly inconvenient for visitors to have to tp 3 sims away. P2P will offer the ability for my club members to actually hit the club!! or shoppers to hit the shopping area directly.

I have been hoping you guys would sort that out.

It will improve SL as a whole and further will make many land community owners very happy!! including me

hey mr linden read the rules not posting peoples chat logs

I think it toally sux that we that paid extra to own hub land are not getting refunded !

Why should you get refunded? It's still land, isn't it?

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P2P teleports.... HELL YES!!!

Having to pay for P2P... HELL NO!!

First of all, Robin is not a "Mr.," she's a "Ms.," and vice president of Linden Labs. Have some respect. You've already shown your ignorance a number of times in these forums, don't make it worse.

These aren't chat logs, these ate transcripts of comments from a public meeting. Get a clue.

And you know what's cool?

No, I didn't think you did.

P2

I don't know much about the P2P ..and i blame my own ignorance for not watching forums more closely ..but when your changeing the economy in such a drastic way everyone needs to know ..its already happening..land barons selling hub land at reduced prices catching the unaware that the hub land will just be land..some land ive seen sold the tenants who have paid up front for there shops in these malls is just returned to them,,yes Ive been caught holding more then a dozen hub spots ..should i just put it for sale like the land barons did and hope some sucker comes by that doesnt know there gonna be gone...funny thing is i asked live help that exact question and it sounded like something i should try in there opinion..how many design things trying to make a buck?..then try to find a way to sell it to the public ...few just live in sl and spend spend spend ..most look for some kinda of income all i see with P2p is the huge stores and big players offering rent near there popular product for ridiculas amounts of money ...a dam email to the members would have made it fair playing feild on this hub land people are trying to sell that is worthless..Anytime you rez your going to exsperience a certain amount of lag ...some hubs are extremly bad if there a sim where there is high dwell such as a club or casino .anytime a freind tps me into the home there is always a certain amount of lag while rezing takes place..

as a reborn semi-experienced SLer i have to say i was always amazed at the $ ppl would spend on land near a telehub as they are major lagpoints and so few spend any time there except newbs who dont have much to spend anyway

land prices in sl never cease to surprise me tho and i guess if those who own telehub land bought it to make a fortune they should have realized that like any realestate venture they had an inherent risk in declining property values just like RL and if they are worth their salt they will rebuild their empire by different means just like The Donald

honestly i always hated the lag at hubs and couldnt wait til the up and forward kicked in so i could get the heck outta there

Hype Arin thats all anyone who actually shops does not shop at hubs

Many i know do Ok sales at hubs if they didnt they wouldnt have 10 ot 15 stores at various hubs in SL

may God bless them for their extreme patience with lag or maybe theyre just newbs who know no better

oh wait i AM a newb guess i just know better

edit- oh and if you will be dumping this land cheap please post it and i will come buy it all <wicked laugh>

very rarley do i find anywhere laggy ..except for high dwell sims ..ill be dumping it cheap certainly the land barons of sl are counting on it.. you know the ones who hide under newbie names and sell pricey land to peeps unaware its all going to be worthless ..lmfao..don't buy land Arin it's time to trade in the 4 dollar comp for a new one if every hub lags you out

im on a p4 2.8 533fsb 128mb nvidia sitting on a t1 and yes i get lag all the time at hubs and at The Edge when i occasionally go

All im saying is there is always a certain amount of rezz time ..if your tp'd into the edge by a friend or use the hub to get there i dont see one better then the other .....the edge hub is bad i agree but many hubs are not and to tp to my home is no better then useing the hub 200metres away rezzing takes a few minutes either way.... OMG im argueing with a newb <falls down laughing>

CP ppl like you who have recently bought large amounts of telehub land are being screwed yes i agree completely

the friends of the man who have been informed about the loss of prospective value and have screwed ppl like you in the process of saving own hides are typical of RL tycoons with no thought of anyones well being but their own

theyve made their money off the land theres no reason they should screw others on their way out of a deal to save their own already made money off the land behinds

Hello - I usually avoid telehubs like the plague and do the fly to a million feet thing because there is nothing there for me and I have already decided where I am going before I get there.

I think one thing SL lacks is a sense of local or village communities except for a few places , usually on the islands, I know with a strong local hangout point.

But what would make me go to a "hub" would be a decent form of map table like an uber version of the ones I have seen new sim builders use.

I imagine standing / sitting around a map table that is based on the map in the "map" function with other info placed sort of transperent colours on top, floating text and pins - discussing local good places and things to do with whoever is there.

I currently find it hard to get an idea of the local geography and feel of an area and who's local without a lot of vague flying and hoping.

An inworld object with a good combination of map / find functions people can see at the same time could do this with geographic and social benefits.

It could use the "map" of a sim as a base updating underneath like the real map function with -

land pacels mapped on top, colour coded against the current "places" catagories like store, homestead, gathering place, land for sale (meaning it is even more useful to go to the trouble to do this for a land owner)
floating text name as land name
touch brings up, Land name, Land Description, owner
right click to Teleport...

You could also have sim wide info like:
Current number of people on sim
Current number of prims on sim
Current number of different textures on sim

It would also be good if you could somehow see the same map function for touching neighbouring sims.

With these types of info you could quickly get an idea of these types of things like who and what is around this neighbourhood, who is building or has built what types of things and how what you might want to do fits in.

Standing around a table like this talking about what is around here would be a social thing as well as a geographic thing.

Conversations like
"Hey there is a shoe store..."
"There seems to be a lot of people at so and so lets check it out..."
"Yeah, that is a meeting of the local Lobotomising Nazi Party in Drag Group."
"Ok maybe I wont check it out"
"Lets all buy platform SHOES!!!"
etc

Also, getting an idea of these things in a local area hopefully slowly but surely help to start moving things to more consistent zoning in localities without a specific zoning policy.

I'm not really directly interested in retaining value for hub land owners but I think land around the existing hub spaces would retain value via a similar but different type of traffic a device like this would generate and generally making the inenvitable land value jumps in these areas less pronounced for land holders who can think in terms of the medium to longer term not just the day after P2P comes into existence.

I think also more localised buying and selling of property in a market would also become stronger with a better way for people envision land use locally and be easily aware of land available etc.

cheers,

I went to the preview grid earlier. I like the new teleport system. I did find a bug though. I picked a location near a sim corner and TPd there. When i got to it, i rezed 30M under the terrain but it qucikly poped me up to the surface. I think it might have had something to do with how one sim had a surface 50M lower then the other.

Weighing the pros and cons .. I would like to suggest this :

1) Keep the Telehubs and the usage the way it is now.

2) Allow us to use P2P on the 10 PICKS we have in our profile. This way the place can control where the TP spot is on the land area.

3) Allow Business Owners to have 2-3 HOME spots so we can move around home and business easier.

I do have to admit... I have used the hub areas to look around places I would not have gone to unless I 'just happened' to be there. So to me .. the hubs do perform a service.

Josh

Or worse everyone will become so fustrated that they cannot change a fucking thing that they will become just one of many with no voice and even fewer balls. Oh wait thats on the current agenda isn't it eggy old man?

Power to the ppl I dig free thinkers much more than the brain dead sheep but thats just me

Leave It As It Is,,,,god Half The Textures Dont Even Rez Right Now Stop Redoing Things And Fix Bugs P2p Is Not Needed, Now Stfu

I thought this was a done deal I'm looking forward to P2P!