Point to Point Teleporting

If I remember right p2p has been in sl since beta, only lindens had access to it as it was untill 1.5 some time where estates without telehubs supported it.

As for lindex, im not going to comment. "Our World, Your Imagination"

Anshe, SL has always had P2P teleport. It had P2P teleport from its first release in March 2002 until October 21, 2003, when the telehubs were introduced.
The code has always been there, but it was restricted to Lindens only. It did not take several months to re-enable it.

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They seem to have always had the power, they just weren't using it previously.

All companies have ultimate power over you, the consumer. LL is no different. SL is a game, totally controlled by LL for their own profit and for their friend's profit (people who would be called FIC, Lindens close friends, ones who win building "contests", have intimate and close relationships with LL with regards to features, access, having other players punished at their whims, etc).

I fear, as their monopolist position solidify, they may be going make more and more use of that power. Remember, the Microsoft once also was one small, friendly little business of bright and hard working people.

You didn't really expect to succeed on Linden's coattails forever, did you? Not once they could figure out a way to do it themselves?

For someone claiming to be a savvy businessperson, you sure put all your eggs in one basket, didn't you?

Maybe I am not the savvy business person people try to make me? Maybe I am just one simple person working hard to pay her bills?

I made two basic assumptions when invest my time and money in Second Life:

1) Linden Lab will not remove the most valuable function from "land" they sell

2) Linden Lab will not use their power and control over the software to compete against its customers/residents.

I guess I was too trusting and naive. But with that I have been far from alone. I think your question is very good and many other people, especially content creator, should ask themself now:

"You really expect to succeed on Linden's coattails forever?"

I've been contemplating posting in this thread for over a week now. After reading 80% of the posts I'm in favor or the P2P. Why? It's something the majority wants and needs. It's something the few don't want since money is involved. I came to SL almost two years ago with not a thought of making money. And still after two years the money aspect is very low on my list of things I want.

I think I did shop one or two times in my two years at a telehub and those times were during my first month in SL. Since that time I've felt the telehubs more of a annoyance than anything else. AV rez, pop up to 200m and fly away to my destination, not giving the stores, ect time to even rez.

So now I say congrats to the silent majority, the telehubs are going. I believe within a month or two something else will come along that is a negative to either the people who wish just to be in SL to enjoy it, or the ones who wish it to be a money making tool.

I learned very early in SL that one of the major constants in SL is that there are no constants.

I think you are and I mean that as a compliment. You're savvy enough to realize that the island/mall/event bubble is bursting rapidly; I've read it between your posting lines the past couple of months.

Are you savvy enough to transistion all the holdings to unsuspecting buyers willing to pay for a "proven" model with an impressive balance sheet to date? If so, I suppose we won't realize you've faded into other ventures until everything is sold and the new managers start redefining the company.

Philip, on the other hand, isn't so savvy. He'll likely just sell LL to reinvest his money in whatever the latest science fiction writers believe will be the next popular hypersocialcommunicationtoy idea and announce it the next day.

Telehubs are the place in SL where you are got trapped between walls that you dont want to be between.. (rezing) as you are heading to a store or a friend far away from it...

you are damn right about that! im gonna put that in my profile as a famous quote lol!

I thought this "game" was supposed to be about fun and meeting new friends?

People trying to monopolize way to much land for strictly monetary gain is what I think is disgusting. It ruins the game a little for me.

I am also sick of banging into walls at telehubs trying to escape. Even as the newbie I am I could see right away that these telehubs were not going to last so why bother buying land around them. But if I had, I wouldn't be crying over it now! You live, you learn. Move on. This is a "virtual" world here, did you really think things would not ever change?

As far as LL goes, hey, they own the game, what more needs to be said about that?

The way I see it is like this... LL can sell land as first land and be paid in $L they can't spend or they can sell land at auction for real money. If they sell at auction they earn money and leave the land division to a land dealer. The land dealer buys the land based on historical values, paying more for sims that have been historically more valuable.

As time went by I noticed LL was selling more and more auction sims and less first land. At one point it was so bad there was no first land available. LL sold so many sims at auction the value of land not only didn't appreciate, as one would suspect, but rather decreased in value.

This was good for LL's income, but it harmed the land owners. In the real world land prices generally go up. For LL to continue selling land in this way they would need a plan to limit the release of new sims to keep the value of current sims up, much as LL does for $L now. LL limits the amount of $L in the system to match the needs of the population. Yet LL hasn't controlled land release in the same way. LL sold sims as fast as people would buy them.

Another problem with releasing too much land is it leaves whole sims completely empty. Looking at the map it's easy to see the users are so far spread about the chances of interaction is unlikely.

It's my opinion LL should only release land as first land until the ratio of land to users becomes even.

One of the basic tenets supporting the generally rising value of real estate in real life is, "They aren't making any more land!" Clearly, that is not the case in SL. The amount of land being created, including islands that are not private appears to be outstripping the growth in population, which has about tripled in 2005. That indicates a land price parity or a little worse. There are few factors that genuinely make a particular parcel inherently more valuable than another. Telehubs were one of those factors, at least as value is percieved. Times change...deal with it.

Far worse for the investor in real estate here is the lack of any accurate means of establishing the real market value of the property. There is no system of "comparables" available in SL, so one is at the mercy of the whim of a seller who "does not bargain." It is very simple to run a property swap scam where a cheap property s marked up artificially to match or exceed the price of a desired piece of propety in an even swap. The unsuspecting person on the other side of the transaction thinks they are getting a great deal when in reality they are getting hosed. If they could check the sale price of the land they are swapping for, they would be in a better position to tell the person offer ing the swap to bring more to the table.

It is also simple for a group officer to excercise his authority, sell the group land (to which he might be a minority contributor) and pocket an exorbitant share of the proceeds only to disappear into another avatar. Most likely, that person would resurface with a large land purchase to utilize the money. It would be possible to narrow the hunt for the perpetrator of that fraud if there were a digest of transactions that could be viewed.

It is of immense value when considerering the purchase of property to be able to compare the asking price with values established in similar transactions. It keeps everyone's expectations realistic and stabilizes the market. The only ones who could possibly complain about the availability of that information would be those who rely on petty gouging of potential buyers. Keep people in the dark and they are easy prey. If on the other hand, I know what the price per SM of a parcel of 30,000 SM is by comparing it to other listings and sales, then I am a tougher buyer.

I think it is time for either a listing of all land transactions with full statistical information. This could either be implemented by the Lindens on a public basis; or it could be something provided by a private MLS system. In the latter case, my guess would be that buyers would favor the MLS listed properties hands down as the database grew; and that sellers refusing to list there would be on the sidelines in transactions. The benefits to the community of such a system are too great to ignore. Only the unscupulous land barons need fear.

I am pretty new to the gamebut here is what its like for me. I want to go to X maybe I've even been there before and have a link. I tp, only I don't arrive at X and I have to fly there. Only I can't fly there because I keep smacking into invisible crap that hasn't rez'ed yet. I hate it.

If I can p2p right where I want to go, then I think that's a great idea and will increase my fun factor.

As for shopping I do searches and find a place I like and tp there. If I can tp right to the shop, then I will likely shop around and try different places, because its no longer a hassle.

Anshe-

You've enjoyed better profit to loss ratios because the telehubs bring lots of extra traffic for no on-going fee.

These businesses you disparage below were hiring, raffling, freebeeing, hosting, entertaining, recruiting, bribing, ... in otherwords investing in the community to help their business out.

While they struggled, you were lining your pockets with profits because you sat between them and the nearest telehubs.

Is taking away the telehubs fair? To whom? You? These other business owners? Travellers of SL in general? I think it's fair on all three counts, and long overdue.

Honestly, your complaints really sound rather selfish. You were smart enough to capitolize on the hubs while they were there... adapt your business models and try again!

I thought you could already to p2p teleports, using the 'main map', clicking on a spot, then clicking 'teleport'. Granted, this may not always get you EXACTLY where you want to go, but it gets you pretty close. If this isn't p2p teleporting, then what IS it, and what is the difference?

The old way was ... you click the map and go to the nearest telehub, then fly the rest of the way. Now you click the map and land right there, permission allowing.

So...why would anything need to be added, to allow p2p teleporting, if you can already DO that?

It's new as of today. Yesterday you had to use telehubs. Today you don't.

As of 1.8.0, the change has occurred and it is now "present tense". No further changes are needed, because if you're in-world now then it means you've done the client upgrade and the feature exists.

It's here and I love it. For me, the likely drop in "resale value" of my land (I own 2560m in Pando, one sim away from an EX HUB) is more than offset by the massive convenience it brings to "me as a visitor to other places" - as well as how easy it will make it for people to reach my place without getting caught in all that Hub garbage.

Most of my land was originally bought from the infamous "land baroness" who seems to have been making the most hot air about Point To Point porting. Bought at pre-PTP prices, I might add. I'm pretty sure she won't have set her asking price below the amount she paid for each parcel, therefore I feel I have paid for the right to pull faces at her behind her back every time she's been griping about it.

I look forward to P2P, but at the same time I do feel for the situation Anshe is now in. I do hope something will be worked out.

I thought it had been letting me TP that way, since I signed up, a couple weeks ago...

I must say, after trying it out, p2p is awesome. People may suffer, like the people far from hubs, who will now see much more traffic, casinos, malls, tringo etc. But the ease in movement between my parcels and the fact people can visit my lands easily outweighs the need for privacy.

People used to buy things after hardly shopping, because it gets frustrating flying, trying to find the store, then trying to get into the store's door, then waiting to rez the store's interior, then searching the store for the items. Now they can go to every shop listed in Find with the things they are looking for, meaning sellers with the best prices will see a benefit.

Now I can place a landing point right in front of the items for sale, facing the shelves. So when they hit the TP button they only need to stand there for the items to rez.

Weeeee... fun times ahead

OK, everyone run out and set a landing point or turn off teleport on your land.

They shoulda done what I suggested... default to NO teleport except for public lands, and let people turn TP on if they wanted to.