Is SL Fascist?
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Cazzj Brearly
Look! A UFO!
Join date: 21 Mar 2005
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03-04-2006 09:15
"[Second Life] is a physiological sensation arising between the correlation of radiation wavelength and retinal response."
and......
Cazzj Brearly shouts: "[SECOND LIFE] IS PEOPLE!"
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Ken Virgo
Fighting GURU
Join date: 19 Jun 2004
Posts: 62
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what is SL...PIE!
03-05-2006 08:23
two sentences...... 1. SL IS PIE PIE PIE!!! 2. NOW BUILD A BRIDEGE AND GET OVER IT! Please end this thread. youre beating a dead maggot infested horse already. <refer to above statement> 
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Cazzj Brearly
Look! A UFO!
Join date: 21 Mar 2005
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03-05-2006 10:20
mmm...maggot pie! I'm goin to lunch!
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Bruno Buckenburger
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03-06-2006 10:23
From: Hank Ramos Is SL a Fascist State?
The answer is 'yes.'
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Merlyn Bailly
owner, AVALON GALLERIA
Join date: 7 Sep 2005
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03-19-2006 16:47
From: Hank Ramos Is SL a Fascist State? SL is a GAME, and exists only at the pleasure of LL. Get a grip. Note the sign, son...
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Penny Tank
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Join date: 6 Feb 2006
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Pie is Good.
03-21-2006 23:25
40.87% of people here think SL is pie.
I like pie. I like pie a whole lot.
With regards to there being an SL Fascist state, I choose to politely retort with a, "Pffft." Because SL is clearly PIE.
But what is the meaning of PIE? Well I like to think that PIE stands for Pluralist Industrial Expansivism. You see, my dear readers, that politics is omnipresent, and yes even pie can be political, in fact, pie can be many things... uh huh, even lentil.
Of course fascism may exist in some part of SL, but because of the egalitarian civil rights coded into SL (eg no true death, no disease, no taking land or objects by force, free travel, and everyone has the right to their own land) a state can only expand socially. So for fascism to apply to ALL of SL, it would have to be voluntarily adopted by many many many land owners.
This could just never happen.
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Lucifer Baphomet
Postmodern Demon
Join date: 8 Sep 2005
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03-22-2006 14:37
From: Penny Tank 40.87% of people here think SL is pie. I like pie. I like pie a whole lot. With regards to there being an SL Fascist state, I choose to politely retort with a, "Pffft." Because SL is clearly PIE. But what is the meaning of PIE? Well I like to think that PIE stands for Pluralist Industrial Expansivism. You see, my dear readers, that politics is omnipresent, and yes even pie can be political, in fact, pie can be many things... uh huh, even lentil. Of course fascism may exist in some part of SL, but because of the egalitarian civil rights coded into SL (eg no true death, no disease, no taking land or objects by force, free travel, and everyone has the right to their own land) a state can only expand socially. So for fascism to apply to ALL of SL, it would have to be voluntarily adopted by many many many land owners. This could just never happen. But, but...... is the pie fascist?
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James Argonaut
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Join date: 2 Jun 2003
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03-23-2006 02:48
I'm disagree with the *game* notion. SL isn't really a game. SL doesn't provide its own goals, SL doesn't provide gaming *content*. SL doesn't declare winners and losers. The only rules given are a standard set similar (but not as terrible) as AOL or Yahoo TOS.
So before all the trolls here respond whining "ooooh your wrong! i'm a super vampire Ninja slayer hermaphordite clothes designer entrepuener etc etc.. in *MY* SL game!", you better think, did the game make you that? or did you make yourself that?
Thats right. SL is no more a game then IRC chat, a a graphics program or you running around in your home pretending your a gimp one-eyed egyptian sailor.
SL is a text, auditory and visual communication medium.
And if you don't agree with me, you can go play with yourself.
-James Argonaut
P.S. All of you can go eat whatever pie the Lindens dictate you can have.
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sandro Melnitz
Sandro Tasso
Join date: 17 Feb 2006
Posts: 16
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04-06-2006 05:18
Just capitalism. SL must have good ordinary attractions and some programmed (software) rules, as real money is its support point and probably the big deal of its birth. Although, the land owners are the ones who actually make rules, the rest of the people just decide if following rules that are silly is a silly behavior. But talking about racial issues, yes, the SL newbie avatars are very caucasian-shaped. It's not that good influence to common people, the ones who just live and don't use to think much.
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rbrady778 Summers
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Join date: 18 Apr 2006
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Second Life Government --> Republic?
04-24-2006 19:41
At first, I wanted to vote "Dictatorship" (after overcoming the obvious "pie" attraction), but I decided on "other." My reasoning is thus:
1) Second Life is NOT Fascist because (to my knowledge) Second Life does not censor beyond bad language/behavior/porn, things which many societies do anyway. They seem mostly open to any idea that does not harm other people. I believe many governements make that same statement.
2) Second Life, though autocratic, is NOT a Dictatorsihp, because there is no supreme ruler. Linden Lab, though arguable "governers" of Second Life, is a company. Like most Companies, I believe, it proabably has CEOs, and Boards, etc... (or will if it goes public, which it may not have). It is therefore not a Dictatorship because it is not ruled by one, or even a select elite, gropu of people.
3) Second Life is not a Democracy. This is because I see no users (customers) voting anywhere, and they are the "citizens" of Second Life.
4) Second Life may be a Republic, because the "Law" (rules) are defined by what may be considered public representatives.
Another possibility is some sort of appointment/hiring-driven government, something I believe has never been seen before, but hey, there is always a first. Or Second Life could be seen as a sort of anarchy, but it would have to be a contained one.
I think a deeper question is whether Second Life is capitalist or socialist? Because all users are given an (ableit meager) supplement of cash, and many useful starting items. There is also a large network of "support programs" (in the guise of staff and wiki's) to help players, some very socialist things.
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Maximilian Milosz
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04-25-2006 02:19
It's hard to define what SL is beyond definition: A corporate run virtual world. In general it's the sim- or land owners that sets the rules in a particular region. In many ways one can say Linden Labs have more of a devine nature, as they are actually the makers, and in general observe rather than interfer with the dealings of residents.
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Terrence Montgomery
Returning SL Citizen
Join date: 28 Apr 2006
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04-28-2006 23:18
Wasn't the poll was about the virtual world, not the real world? If it were about the real world, its a bureaucracy.
A true democracy is run by the individuals, not a group of people.
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SuezanneC Baskerville
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04-29-2006 01:04
From: James Argonaut Thats right. SL is no more a game then IRC chat, a a graphics program or you running around in your home pretending your a gimp one-eyed egyptian sailor. I always liked playing that IRC chat game.
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Aodhan McDunnough
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04-29-2006 01:20
It's a world whose content is mostly created by its inhabitants. You may call it facist, authoritarian, dictatiorship, democracy, communist, plutocratic, autocratic, technocratic, aristocratic, fulliautomatic, colorfulandspastic or whatever ... but the bottom line is, unlike real world states, SL is a state you enter on your own *free will* and can leave anytime by just logging out.
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Jopsy Pendragon
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04-29-2006 11:20
SecondLife is the Vatican.
Full of treasure, lots of politics, fingers that dip into peoples pockets around the world... but only really grab what its loyal followers willingly give. It helps bring people together... is run by an organization that does things in their own time for their own reasons, and then makes it law, and if you rez a prim in the Vatican... it stays in the Vatican. (Oh wait, maybe that last bit doesn't work.)
Therefore SecondLife is an Italian Theocracy.
-- Pope Linden I ?
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Trevor Russell
Voice Of Reason
Join date: 6 Oct 2005
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Actually!
05-01-2006 16:04
From: Dianne Mechanique I voted Dictatorship because SL lacks the element of supression and the large army and the strict adherance to a "norm" (bigoted elements), to be a Fascist state.
Have you heard that the lindens are recruiting an army? we(TCG) found out as they contacted our leader to possibly be a drill instuctor.... all the peices are coming together... All we need now is a SL equivalent of NATO to kick out the Axis of Lindens! THat power rests in one man... Chuck Norris!
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Wendel Gascoigne
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07-26-2006 04:07
It's a privately owned company, and not by you. Stupid poll.
Wendel
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