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Hiro Pendragon
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04-05-2006 00:38
Thread moved and it clearly didn't belong there?
offense one: let it slide, post reason for moving in the thread
offense two: warning
offense three: second warning
offense four: Lose new-thread rights for 3 days.
offense five: lose new-thread rights for a week.
offense six+: lose new-thread posting rights in General, 1 month.

Rationale: If people didn't put the threads in the wrong place in the first place, they wouldn't be moved. If they were in the right forums, people would read more than just general.
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PetGirl Bergman
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04-05-2006 00:50
Its very easy to know where to put your text.. /ironi.. strong ironi..

I often are unsure..and place it in Of topic to not be blamed for any.,,, you know there are people at forum that act as they was a mo.. :))

I dont think the most of us place a new thread on wrong place on purpose.,... the few that maybe do it the mods prob will know the names after some weeks..

/Tina
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Kris Ritter
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04-05-2006 01:07
From: Hiro Pendragon
If people didn't put the threads in the wrong place in the first place, they wouldn't be moved. If they were in the right forums, people would read more than just general.


Where should this thread get moved to, Hiro? Discussions about the forums themselves generally don't stay in General - they get moved. Linden moderators themselves have given their reasoning for this when they've moved similar threads. So why did you post it here?!

And it's kinda rich you now telling everyone to chill out about threads getting moved after last week getting all stroppy about your own threads getting moved, then starting a thread to protest them getting moved and threatening to go tell uncle Phil.

Don't tell me - yours was not posted to the wrong place and in that instance it was the resmod that was wrong? But generally speaking, yourself excluded, people just post in the wrong place or they wouldnt be moved, right?

:rolleyes:
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Moopf Murray
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04-05-2006 01:24
From: Hiro Pendragon
Thread moved and it clearly didn't belong there?
offense one: let it slide, post reason for moving in the thread
offense two: warning
offense three: second warning
offense four: Lose new-thread rights for 3 days.
offense five: lose new-thread rights for a week.
offense six+: lose new-thread posting rights in General, 1 month.

Rationale: If people didn't put the threads in the wrong place in the first place, they wouldn't be moved. If they were in the right forums, people would read more than just general.


By my reckoning you'd already by on offense six+, so you'd have lost your new-thread posting rights by now. I, for one, welcome this idea.

I find it hilarious that somebody like you, who consistently posts in the wrong place and then gets all huffy and high and mighty when they get moved, should suggest this. Could it be that you now appreciate that you've been posting pretty consistently in the wrong place? Or not?
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Candide LeMay
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04-05-2006 01:28
Wouldn't it be easier to just merge all forums into one :p
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Hiro Pendragon
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04-05-2006 01:35
From: Kris Ritter

And it's kinda rich you now telling everyone to chill out about threads getting moved after last week getting all stroppy about your own threads getting moved, then starting a thread to protest them getting moved and threatening to go tell uncle Phil.

How is this "telling everyone to chill out about threads getting moved"?

From: Moopf

By my reckoning you'd already by on offense six+, so you'd have lost your new-thread posting rights by now. I, for one, welcome this idea.

And so would 3/4 of the forum, but rules aren't made post-facto.

From: Moopf
I find it hilarious that somebody like you, who consistently posts in the wrong place and then gets all huffy and high and mighty when they get moved, should suggest this. Could it be that you now appreciate that you've been posting pretty consistently in the wrong place? Or not?

Well, considering almost all of your threads are personal attacks or trolling insults, I'd say that makes you an expert on what's innappropriate on the forum.

However, despite what should be an obvious expertise in this field, it looks like your facts are wrong. If you were to do a search on threads I've started, and look how many were moved, I think you'll find that the overwhelming majority were not.
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Cristiano Midnight
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04-05-2006 01:36
From: Kris Ritter
Where should this thread get moved to, Hiro? Discussions about the forums themselves generally don't stay in General - they get moved. Linden moderators themselves have given their reasoning for this when they've moved similar threads. So why did you post it here?!


Actually Jeska stated that discussions about the SL forums themsevles do belong in General. Originally, she moved a thread to off topic and called it a meta-discussion, but then reversed herself and put the thread back in General.

From: Jeska Linden

Historically, meta-discussions about the forums are moved to Off-topic and/or closed (as they typically take on the "Hey Who Moved my Cheese - err Thread!" type posts. This is something that as a community we need to determine if we want to have meta-discussions about Second Life Forums in the General Second Life discussion area or elsewhere.


:confused:

From: Jeska Linden

Thanks for the heads up, as you know the Forum ResMod program has just begun and we are still distilling the many details. The Off-Topic Forum is for discussions which are not about Second Life, meta-discussions about the SL forums should remain in the General Forum.
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PetGirl Bergman
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04-05-2006 01:37
Please! Be creative instead of trowing pillows..:-))

As so many threads have been moved - somerthing are wrong - not personal but the system..,,- the mods should think of a elegant informative way to inform us AL where we shall place new threads from start.. or our threads will be moved years from now..

And a situation where mods are working only on moving threads (must be booring..) instead of something more postive..

To move threads are so far only a sympton of something that must be changed..

To change a system like this - we need info.

/Tina
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Kris Ritter
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04-05-2006 01:42
From: PetGirl Bergman
Please! Be creative instead of trowing pillows..:-))


I think it depends who is suggesting it and what they're suggesting, cuz like, it's hard to take any suggestions seriously when they come from one of the worst offenders and biggest hypocrites.
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Willow Zander
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04-05-2006 01:42
From: Candide LeMay
Wouldn't it be easier to just merge all forums into one :p



YES!

I want to post in the :

Technicalsupportwantedproducttestingoffservicesoffwtfzomgbbq Forum.
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Hiro Pendragon
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04-05-2006 01:50
From: Kris Ritter
I think it depends who is suggesting it and what they're suggesting, cuz like, it's hard to take any suggestions seriously when they come from one of the worst offenders and biggest hypocrites.

So if you feel this way, then don't take me seriously, and don't post.

An ad hominem attack will never, ever prove a logical point. And by using an ad hominem, you wind up guilty of your own criticism of being an innappropriate offender. And that, in turn, would make you guilty of making hypocritical statements.

Funny how your logic comes full circle on you, eh?
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Madiera Westerburg
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04-05-2006 01:50
candide lemay is THE HOTTNESS
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Moopf Murray
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04-05-2006 01:52
From: Hiro Pendragon
Well, considering almost all of your threads are personal attacks or trolling insults, I'd say that makes you an expert on what's innappropriate on the forum.

However, despite what should be an obvious expertise in this field, it looks like your facts are wrong. If you were to do a search on threads I've started, and look how many were moved, I think you'll find that the overwhelming majority were not.


Really? Almost all of my threads are personal attacks or trolling insults are they? I see you've had to compartmentalise me! I'm honoured. It's nice to talk in such clear cut ways isn't it, it's such an easy way to denigrate the opposition. I said you consistently post in the wrong forum and recent thread movings support this and it's something that you've done for a long time. Consistently doesn't mean all. It means you do it often, regularly. That was my point.

I'm not sure why I should have obvious expertise in this field though, as you put it. I very rarely start new threads and apart from a couple of threads I remember being moved a very long time ago, one of which I remember got my goat at the time, I generally try to post in the right forum and they don't get moved. You've had a lot moved recently. And caused a stink, even threatening to call LL on the phone if one of your threads got moved. Which it did, and you didn't.

I just find this thread a strange paradox, when you would fall foul of your proposed rules quicker than a rat up a drain-pipe. But then, if you don't feel that your posts deserve moving, then the paradox is solved. Maybe a better way to deal with this would be to get posters to appreciate for themselves what's the right and wrong forum for a given post. So, let's start with you eh!
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Willow Zander
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04-05-2006 02:02
This is my solution

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Hiro Pendragon
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04-05-2006 02:03
From: Moopf Murray
Really? Almost all of my threads are personal attacks or trolling insults are they? I see you've had to compartmentalise me! I'm honoured. It's nice to talk in such clear cut ways isn't it, it's such an easy way to denigrate the opposition.

I generally don't butt in too much to where other people are attacking others, but if you'd like, I'll start pointing out you attacking other people as well. Perhaps you simply don't realize how hostile you can be here.

From: someone
I said you consistently post in the wrong forum and recent thread movings support this and it's something that you've done for a long time. Consistently doesn't mean all. It means you do it often, regularly. That was my point.

consistent
One entry found for consistent.
Main Entry: con·sis·tent
Function: adjective
1 archaic : possessing firmness or coherence
2 a : marked by harmony, regularity, or steady continuity : free from variation or contradiction <a consistent style in painting> b : COMPATIBLE -- usually used with with c : showing steady conformity to character, profession, belief, or custom <a consistent patriot>
3 : tending to be arbitrarily close to the true value of the parameter estimated as the sample becomes large <a consistent statistical estimator>
- con·sis·tent·ly /-lE/ adverb

Seems to me Webster disagrees with your definition. Consistent means that it's done all the time, not that it's done often.

But it's moot, my original point stands.

From: someone

I'm not sure why I should have obvious expertise in this field though, as you put it. I very rarely start new threads and apart from a couple of threads I remember being moved a very long time ago, one of which I remember got my goat at the time, I generally try to post in the right forum and they don't get moved.

Oh, you post in the right place, alright; you simply post innappropriate attacks. I think the fact that you don't start many threads is evidence that you are more of a troller than topic-starter.

From: someone
You've had a lot moved recently.

2.

From: someone
And caused a stink, even threatening to call LL on the phone if one of your threads got moved. Which it did, and you didn't.

It got moved because I reported an attack from a reply on that thread, and it was moved pending review - *not* because it was in the wrong forum.

From: someone
... So, let's start with you eh!

So far you've avoided actually addressing my original ideas. As I've said - rules aren't applied post-facto, so that means you don't really have a right to complain about what I'd *hypothetically* do under a *hypothetical* new set of rules when none of it has happened yet.
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Kris Ritter
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04-05-2006 02:04
From: Hiro Pendragon
So if you feel this way, then don't take me seriously, and don't post.

An ad hominem attack will never, ever prove a logical point. And by using an ad hominem, you wind up guilty of your own criticism of being an innappropriate offender. And that, in turn, would make you guilty of making hypocritical statements.

Funny how your logic comes full circle on you, eh?


Huh? I'm just pointing out that someone who thinks they're above resmods and rules and makes posts in the wrong forum, then kicks and screams about it and breaks the rules about posting threads about why a post was moved etc and then comes here telling everyone that if they didnt post in the wrong place their threads wouldnt get moved is being hypocritical.

Where and how am I being hypocritical in doing so?
Madiera Westerburg
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04-05-2006 02:04
ooo good idea stuffing faces! *stuff*stuff*stuff* dang yous to heck willowww you made me hun-gryyy
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Madiera Westerburg
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04-05-2006 02:07
i dont think fuzzy logic will fool kris cause unlike me, she is not bipolar and therefore has a good grip on reality
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From: Neehai Zapata
If the lord was handing out bacterial infections for sinning, you'd be at the free clinic all the time.

just when I manage to convince myself I'm a superior being, I walk into a door
Kris Ritter
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04-05-2006 02:09
From: Madiera Westerburg
i dont think fuzzy logic will fool kris cause ... she ... has a good grip on reality


Don't bet too much on that theory, will you? :)
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Madiera Westerburg
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04-05-2006 02:11
are you telling me you also dont have a good grip on reality? O_O
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From: Neehai Zapata
If the lord was handing out bacterial infections for sinning, you'd be at the free clinic all the time.

just when I manage to convince myself I'm a superior being, I walk into a door
Kris Ritter
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04-05-2006 02:13
From: Madiera Westerburg
are you telling me you also dont have a good grip on reality? O_O


I dunno. I used to think I knew what ad hominem and hypocrisy meant. Now I'm not so sure. Maybe my whole perception of reality is skewed! :o
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04-05-2006 02:19
skewed...skewers....bbq...mmmmm
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Hiro Pendragon
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04-05-2006 02:19
From: Kris Ritter
Huh? I'm just pointing out that someone who thinks they're above resmods and rules and makes posts in the wrong forum,

Reiterated: 2 threads.
Does this make someone think they're "above the moderators"? No, it just means they disagree, as with the host of other threads disagreeing with how the forums are being moderated.

On the other hand, your continual use of ad hominem leads me to believe that you think that you are above the rules.

From: someone
then kicks and screams about it

Let's look at what you call "kicking and screaming". Here is the post where I brought up my displeasure with how the forums are being moderated:
/108/3d/96393/1.html
From: that thread

I just reported about 4/5ths of the first two pages of General, because for one reason or another, they belong in another forum.

If Resmods are going to use such discretion when moving posts, I sure hope they can be consistant.

Please point out the kicking and screaming.

Let's try the poll I posted:
/274/3f/96383/1.html
From: this thread

If I see this thread moved from General, I will be on the phone with Linden Lab naming names.

I've kept my mouth shut about resmods to see how the program went. It's clear this is a mess. There's no apparent standards being followed, even though when this started, Jeska was very clear on the standards.

I don't want a debate on every post and why it should or should not be moved, but what I do want is simple: Resmods should have less discretion than Lindens. I see just the opposite happening - I see the definition of what is and isn't relevant in "General" being interpreted more and more loosely.

Is this your smoking gun? The fact that I stated that I would make a phone call to customer support if a resmod moved a post about resmods?

This post is clear - my concern is with amounts of discretion and standards.

From: someone
and breaks the rules about posting threads about why a post was moved

Another fabricated accusation. I posted in the threads themselves - which is exactly the appropriate places.

From: someone
etc and then comes here telling everyone that if they didnt post in the wrong place their threads wouldnt get moved is being hypocritical.

There are clearly examples where threads are definitely in the wrong place, and examples where it's a grey area.

From: someone
Where and how am I being hypocritical in doing so?

Your posting is a classic example of trolling - you post provocative comments that are not in line with truth in order to attain negative reactions from other posters. You use fallacies of ad hominem, straw man, and derail threads away from their original topic.

It is hypocritical for someone employing such tactics to say that someone else is a bad poster. I've defending my comments, and yet all you can do is try and snipe at me.
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Selador Cellardoor
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04-05-2006 02:20
From: Willow Zander
YES!

I want to post in the :

Technicalsupportwantedproducttestingoffservicesoffwtfzomgbbq Forum.


Perhaps it would be useful if the wtfzomgbbq forum at least could be split off from the main one.
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Cristiano Midnight
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04-05-2006 02:26
From: Selador Cellardoor
Perhaps it would be useful if the wtfzomgbbq forum at least could be split off from the main one.


Thank you Selador, you provided a perfect new name for the Rants and Drama forum on SLU :)

Edit:


Special credit also goes to Willow Zander.
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