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Cristiano Midnight
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04-05-2006 03:08
From: Kris Ritter Don't worry. Til recently I thought Ad Hominem was a step in our evolution and that a strawman was some pagan ritualistic thing. Fortunately, the SL forums are a goldmine of dictionary links and definitions to support arguments. I learn a lot here!  Not to mention the Wikipedia articles!
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Cristiano Midnight
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04-05-2006 03:08
OH FOR THE LOVE OF GOD PLEASE STOP QUOTING EACH OTHER
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Moopf Murray
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04-05-2006 03:09
From: Kris Ritter Don't worry. Til recently I thought Ad Hominem was a step in our evolution and that a strawman was some pagan ritualistic thing. Some phrases should be banned from the forums for over-use.  Or, in keeping with the point of this thread, you could apply a sliding scale on use depending on how many times you've already used it. Hiro would get stuck for comebacks without being able to rely upon calling things ad hominem or strawman. From: someone Fortunately, the SL forums are a goldmine of dictionary links and definitions to support arguments. I learn a lot here!  Yes, it's more complete and less accurate than the Wikipedia! And that's saying something.
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Kris Ritter
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04-05-2006 03:09
From: Cristiano Midnight OH FOR THE LOVE OF GOD PLEASE STOP QUOTING EACH OTHER ok.
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Cristiano Midnight
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04-05-2006 03:10
Thank you.
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Moopf Murray
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04-05-2006 03:10
From: Cristiano Midnight OH FOR THE LOVE OF GOD PLEASE STOP QUOTING EACH OTHER Don't get me StArTeD on CaPiTaL letters now!!!!!! 
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Madiera Westerburg
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04-05-2006 03:11
From: Cristiano Midnight OH FOR THE LOVE OF GOD PLEASE STOP QUOTING EACH OTHER so now we are dragging god into this?
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Kris Ritter
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04-05-2006 03:11
jeebus. y'all can certainly type faster than me. I can't keep up.
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Cristiano Midnight
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04-05-2006 03:12
I have actually come up with a name for the game that Hiro and Moopf (and Kris) are all locked in a death match of PVP action on - it's called Quote Chicken. Whoever blinks first and forgets to quote and any part of their opponent's post loses. Also, whoever gets in the last word wins. Clearly, Hiro is a professional Quote Chicken player, so good luck to you all and godspeed.
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Madiera Westerburg
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04-05-2006 03:12
i have an hour and a half left of work...im hopin this keeps me entertained til i go home 
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"Unfortunately you cant wipe them out of existence... merely hide the drivel they have to spew"- Kris RitterFrom: Neehai Zapata If the lord was handing out bacterial infections for sinning, you'd be at the free clinic all the time. just when I manage to convince myself I'm a superior being, I walk into a door
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Madiera Westerburg
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04-05-2006 03:13
From: Cristiano Midnight I have actually come up with a name for the game that Hiro and Moopf (and Kris) are all locked in a death match of PVP action on - it's called Quote Chicken. Whoever blinks first and forgets to quote and any part of their opponent's post loses. Also, whoever gets in the last word wins. Clearly, Hiro is a professional Quote Chicken player, so good luck to you all and godspeed. what? i dont count?
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Cristiano Midnight
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04-05-2006 03:14
From: Madiera Westerburg so now we are dragging god into this? Yes, and abortion rights and gay marriage too. This thread needs to be aborted, and hopefully the pent up sexual tension will finally cause Hiro and Moopf to find a lasting love for each other that leads to wedded bliss.
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Cristiano Midnight
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04-05-2006 03:15
From: Madiera Westerburg what? i dont count? You haven't been playing Quote Chicken. You've been doing little one off quotes here and there. Quote Chicken involved quoting multi-paragraph posts by breaking down each paragraph into a separate quoted section to comment on - sometimes even sentence by sentence. I have once seen Ulrika even do it word by word, but she was level 60.
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Hiro Pendragon
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04-05-2006 03:15
Okay, now I'm repeating myself, so this will be my last post before sleeping. Perhaps I haven't stated myself clearly enough. From: Moopf Murray I think you're getting all mixed up here. Please feel free to apply any definition you want to, I'll apply mine. If you want to make a point to someone, and that point is based on the definition of the word, and that word's definition is wrong, then the point is unfounded. If I say, "The sky is orange", and you say "No it's blue." and I said, "Well I meant the 'blue' type of orange", it doesn't make the sky orange. From: someone If it was in the right forum, why did it get moved? Threads tend to get locked if they go for Linden review, they don't tend to get moved unless, and here's the big point Hiro my friend, they are in the wrong forum. It was a thread about ResMods. It was moved to the ResMod forum. You just don't see it, do you? If it were in the wrong place, it would not have been moved to the ResMod forum, instead it would have wound up in Off-topic or whatnot. Here's the play-by-play: Step 1: Thread posted in correct place. Step 2: Personal attacks occur in thread by another party. Step 3: Personal attacks are reported. Step 4: Resmod moves the entire thread because of the report of the subsequent personal attacks. From: Resmod moved to the resmods forum. and going for Linden Review do to one of the post has Personal attack.
As stated, moving the thread had nothing to do with where it was originally posted, and all to do with the personal attack. From: someone Asking LL or the ResMods to do the bookkeeping just wouldn't work as far as I can see. Unless it can be a fairly automated escalation procedure, you can't expect it to be implemented because of the extra workload it would entail. Another good point. From: someone I honestly don't see the forums as being in any worse shape now then they were 6 months ago, 1 year ago or 2 years ago. More people? 
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Madiera Westerburg
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04-05-2006 03:16
From: Cristiano Midnight Yes, and abortion rights and gay marriage too.
This thread needs to be aborted, and hopefully the pent up sexual tension will finally cause Hiro and Moopf to find a lasting love for each other that leads to wedded bliss. im all for gay marriage  the gayer the better 
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"Unfortunately you cant wipe them out of existence... merely hide the drivel they have to spew"- Kris RitterFrom: Neehai Zapata If the lord was handing out bacterial infections for sinning, you'd be at the free clinic all the time. just when I manage to convince myself I'm a superior being, I walk into a door
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Madiera Westerburg
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04-05-2006 03:18
From: Hiro Pendragon Okay, now I'm repeating myself, so this will be my last post before sleeping. So i take it Kris wins by forfeit?
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Kris Ritter
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04-05-2006 03:18
From: Hiro Pendragon You didn't point out fallacies in my arguments. You tried to point out personal deficiencies.
I made a post with an idea. You attacked *me*, not my idea. So no, you weren't "doing it to me". Whereas when I point out that you are making such an attack, it is pointing out the fallacy in your statement. Really? Maybe we're misunderstanding each other. At least, I'm guessing I'm misunderstanding you. I attacked you with a personal deficiency? Where? Do you mean: "Hiro, you are a hypocrite" is not ok but "Hiro, you display hypocrisy in your posts" is ok, because the second refers explicitly to the writings but the first to the man? If this is the case then let me state publicly that I mean that you often display hypocrisy in your posts, not that you are somehow physically or mentally deficient.
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Hiro Pendragon
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04-05-2006 03:19
From: Cristiano Midnight OH FOR THE LOVE OF GOD PLEASE STOP QUOTING EACH OTHER heh. When you start quoting people, you read what they say and consider the statements. It focuses on the argument, not the person. It makes progress in actually discussing things. Now, as to whether all parties want there to be progress made on the topic instead of just derailing the thread, that's another story. 
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Kris Ritter
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04-05-2006 03:19
oh shit. I quoted, didn't I? Sorry Cris.
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Cristiano Midnight
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04-05-2006 03:22
From: Madiera Westerburg So i take it Kris wins by forfeit? I don't know, Moopf could always come back for the kill.
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Cristiano Midnight
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04-05-2006 03:24
From: Hiro Pendragon heh. When you start quoting people, you read what they say and consider the statements. It focuses on the argument, not the person. It makes progress in actually discussing things. Now, as to whether all parties want there to be progress made on the topic instead of just derailing the thread, that's another story.  It's ok, I've always marvelled at your ability to consistently do it. However, at some point it does just become a circular clusterfuck of people nitpicking the same points and saying "no you are!", "no you are!". Anyway my work here is done, which was to provide a meta-discussion of the topic and some levity so you didn't get into a brawl. BTW, ask Javier Puff for a discount on the Xcite Ass - we let him plug his stuff on SecondCast. 
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Hiro Pendragon
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04-05-2006 03:27
From: Kris Ritter Really? Maybe we're misunderstanding each other. At least, I'm guessing I'm misunderstanding you. I attacked you with a personal deficiency? Where?
Do you mean: "Hiro, you are a hypocrite" is not ok but "Hiro, you display hypocrisy in your posts" is ok, because the second refers explicitly to the writings but the first to the man?
If this is the case then let me state publicly that I mean that you often display hypocrisy in your posts, not that you are somehow physically or mentally deficient. heh. While your latter point is correct, it's not what I was getting at. My post was about moving of threads. That was the topic. Your first post started on topic: From: Kris Where should this thread get moved to, Hiro? Discussions about the forums themselves generally don't stay in General - they get moved. Linden moderators themselves have given their reasoning for this when they've moved similar threads. So why did you post it here?!
But then quickly wound up going to the topic of me, rather than the topic of moving of threads: From: someone And it's kinda rich you now telling everyone to chill out about threads getting moved after last week getting all stroppy about your own threads getting moved, then starting a thread to protest them getting moved and threatening to go tell uncle Phil.
Don't tell me - yours was not posted to the wrong place and in that instance it was the resmod that was wrong? But generally speaking, yourself excluded, people just post in the wrong place or they wouldnt be moved, right? And you'll note that I actually replied to your statements about the topic, asking for a clarification: From: Hiro How is this "telling everyone to chill out about threads getting moved"? which went unanswered, and I even brushed off your first personal attack with no reply. Then, you attacked me again: From: Kris I think it depends who is suggesting it and what they're suggesting, cuz like, it's hard to take any suggestions seriously when they come from one of the worst offenders and biggest hypocrites.
To which I did reply, pointing out the ad hominem. At no point before then in this thread did I make a personal attack on you. Therefore my subsequent criticism of your ad hominem was a rebuttal of your attack, rather than a fallacy of going off-topic. And with that, I sleep. Goodnight!
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Hiro Pendragon
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04-05-2006 03:28
From: Cristiano Midnight It's ok, I've always marvelled at your ability to consistently do it. However, at some point it does just become a circular clusterfuck of people nitpicking the same points and saying "no you are!", "no you are!". Anyway my work here is done, which was to provide a meta-discussion of the topic and some levity so you didn't get into a brawl. BTW, ask Javier Puff for a discount on the Xcite Ass - we let him plug his stuff on SecondCast.  Good call, Cris. The thread is derailed, you've pointed it out. 
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Moopf Murray
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04-05-2006 03:31
Cripes, I go and make a cup of tea and I'm suddenly all lost. OK, here goes, without quoting: 1. Cris. Dig the name Quote Chicken! Fortunately my sexual frustrations are kept to a bare minimum by reading a few pages of the dictionary every day  Drives my wife nuts. 2. Hiro: I guess you're just wrapped up in your own needs, justifications and arrogance that you fail to see the reality of a situation and have to resort to pulling the language to pieces or, if in doubt, bomard us with your stock phrase of "ad hominem". I wish I was as clevuh as you. My hero. I dig quasi-intellectuals. No, really. 3. Kris. Always a pleasure! You really should think of touring  4. Madiera. Can you drag racism into this as well please, I feel this argument is missing a further dimension!
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Madiera Westerburg
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04-05-2006 03:33
heres a shoutout to you cris: quote chicken and everyone knows i hate white people. white people are the suxxorz
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