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Hiro Pendragon
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03-27-2006 11:20
I just reported about 4/5ths of the first two pages of General, because for one reason or another, they belong in another forum.

If Resmods are going to use such discretion when moving posts, I sure hope they can be consistant.
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Moopf Murray
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03-27-2006 11:22
Dunno, they seem to be using the same sort of discretion that you apply when using General as self-promotion central!

I guess in that respect your consistent at posting in the wrong place, and they're consistent in moving your threads.

C'est la vie.
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Nolan Nash
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03-27-2006 11:23
Don't they add a point to some total for each report people make? Or is that only in world?

At any rate, food for thought.
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Cristiano Midnight
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03-27-2006 11:27
While I agree with Moopf's assertion that Hiro's threads are being moved because they should be moved, Hiro is absolutely right that it is wildly inconsistent. The General forum is a complete wasteland at this point. There are many more threads that should be moved - including some created before Hiro's threads, yet they still sit there. Does a ResMod just move one thread and go "whew! That was hard work, glad I'm done with that now!"?
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Hiro Pendragon
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03-27-2006 11:27
Well, we'll see. Maybe if they keep getting more restrictive, they'll start kicking out the people making antagonistic personal attacks.
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nimrod Yaffle
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03-27-2006 11:27
4/5ths are about child sex in SL... keyphrase being "in SL." Cant's they merge these into one thread... PLEASE?
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Hiro Pendragon
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03-27-2006 11:29
From: nimrod Yaffle
4/5ths are about child sex in SL... keyphrase being "in SL."

Some are just plain joke threads like "ban child skeleton AVs", some are just about roleplaying and could be put in the game forum, some are repeat threads which is also against the rules, some are feature suggestions.

All these stay up, but stuff like charity threads about Oz are moved. Oh, that's fair. Meanwhile, threads about important subjects are buried.
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Eboni Khan
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03-27-2006 11:35
Well, maybe the other threads are not being reported. I reported Hiro's thread and I am happy to see the ResMods responding to resident concerns.
Nolan Nash
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03-27-2006 11:40
As far as I can tell, they've been quite busy moving threads, and I am sure that skeleton one will be moved too.

They're not robots.

Looks to be several that have been moved already in fact.
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Hiro Pendragon
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03-27-2006 11:44
For that matter, perhaps resmods should be forced to read each and every thread to make sure things are fair. If resmods can't be consistant otherwise, that may be the only choice.
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Dianne Mechanique
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03-27-2006 11:45
From: Nolan Nash
As far as I can tell, they've been quite busy moving threads, and I am sure that skeleton one will be moved too.

They're not robots.

Looks to be several that have been moved already in fact.
Yeah. Seems to me they are doing an okay job.

The only ones that haven't been moved that I can think of are the ones that are in General that are really off-topic "joke threads" (at least that is the only way you can possibly get the 4/5ths figure). Those are pretty much the hardest determinations to make, and the ones that (let's face it), matter the least if you don't end up moving the thread.

This sounds like another spurious accusation or tempest in a teapot or whatever to me. :)
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03-27-2006 11:46
From: Cristiano Midnight
While I agree with Moopf's assertion that Hiro's threads are being moved because they should be moved, Hiro is absolutely right that it is wildly inconsistent. The General forum is a complete wasteland at this point. There are many more threads that should be moved - including some created before Hiro's threads, yet they still sit there. Does a ResMod just move one thread and go "whew! That was hard work, glad I'm done with that now!"?


For the most part, its threads that are reported that get move first, because my attention is drawn to them straight away, and you get straight to the post/thread that is problematic.

In my experience, its advertising in the wrong forums that gets reported quicker and more often.

We also lack the ability to edit threads, so our only possible plan of action would be to close a thread, and I lean towards hoping it will get back on subject or the attacks will stop until a Linden can come and edit them out and deal with the thread.

If anyone has any further questions regarding ResMods etc, please feel free to PM me.
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Hiro Pendragon
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03-27-2006 12:08
40 minutes later... still see all of the posts I reported.
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03-27-2006 12:17
From: Hiro Pendragon
40 minutes later... still see all of the posts I reported.

Hang in there Hiro... I know it's tough. :p
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03-27-2006 12:28
From: Hiro Pendragon
40 minutes later... still see all of the posts I reported.

And you probably will forever.

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03-27-2006 12:35
From: Hiro Pendragon
40 minutes later... still see all of the posts I reported.


I have now delt with the abuse reports receieved in the way I see as appropriate. I took a quick break after I saw Jeska was about..
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Cristiano Midnight
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03-27-2006 12:44
From: Zapoteth Zaius
For the most part, its threads that are reported that get move first, because my attention is drawn to them straight away, and you get straight to the post/thread that is problematic.

In my experience, its advertising in the wrong forums that gets reported quicker and more often.

We also lack the ability to edit threads, so our only possible plan of action would be to close a thread, and I lean towards hoping it will get back on subject or the attacks will stop until a Linden can come and edit them out and deal with the thread.

If anyone has any further questions regarding ResMods etc, please feel free to PM me.


My point was that I would like to see you be more proactive if we are going to be stuck with ResMods, instead of just responding to complaints. I can look at the General forum list and see 10 threads off the top of my head that should be moved somewhere else. There are several of you, plus Jeska. I don't see why it takes so long to moderate, even with as active as these forums are, nor do I understand why it is so difficult to manage it.
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Nolan Nash
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03-27-2006 12:45
6 of the first 20 threads have been moved. I am sure more moves are forthcoming. It's obviously a very busy day in the forum mod world.

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03-27-2006 12:48
From: Cristiano Midnight
My point was that I would like to see you be more proactive if we are going to be stuck with ResMods, instead of just responding to complaints. I can look at the General forum list and see 10 threads off the top of my head that should be moved somewhere else. There are several of you, plus Jeska. I don't see why it takes so long to moderate, even with as active as these forums are, nor do I understand why it is so difficult to manage it.


Thats a fair statement, today specifically, there have been a huge amount of reports, about 4 times the usual amount. And its been hard to keep up with those alone.

And the main way I find threads myself needing to be moved is the New Posts button, however I will try to give General a scan once in a while too :)
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03-27-2006 12:53
From: Cristiano Midnight
My point was that I would like to see you be more proactive if we are going to be stuck with ResMods, instead of just responding to complaints. I can look at the General forum list and see 10 threads off the top of my head that should be moved somewhere else. There are several of you, plus Jeska. I don't see why it takes so long to moderate, even with as active as these forums are, nor do I understand why it is so difficult to manage it.
Perhaps you and Hiro should volunteer to be RezMods yourselves, then, perhaps, you would come to understand why it takes as long as it does.
Hiro Pendragon
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03-27-2006 12:57
From: Kaboom Pow
Perhaps you and Hiro should volunteer to be RezMods yourselves, then, perhaps, you would come to understand why it takes as long as it does.

I have a full time job, and I don't think ResModding should be unpaid, either. They do a tough job. My criticism lies with the nature of the job that needs to be done being basically undoable by volunteers, rather than with the resmods themselves.
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03-27-2006 13:07
From: Kaboom Pow
Perhaps you and Hiro should volunteer to be RezMods yourselves, then, perhaps, you would come to understand why it takes as long as it does.


I refuse to be a resmod because I think Linden Lab is exploiting its customers by relying way too heavily on a volunteer workforce, which is shameful with the type of income the company has. The work of moderating these forums could easily be done by adding a paid full time employee to moderate them - you know, someone who gets a salary and benefits. Why do that when you can exploit the kindness of your customers for free?

Additionally, I feel that the resmod program unfairly places customers in a position of power over each other, when we are all paying customers . I've stated my objections to the program ad naseum, as have many, many other people, all for naught as they press ahead with it. So I will simply comment on it when I see inconsistencies, and while I think overall the resmod program has become less intrusive than it was initially, I don't think moderation has improved one iota from when it was simply Jeska doing it.
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03-27-2006 13:10
From: Hiro Pendragon
I have a full time job




I thought SL was your full time job? ResModding would fit in nicely. Then you can protect all of your advertising threads while also learning how many people report them. Win. Win.
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03-27-2006 13:13
From: Eboni Khan
I thought SL was your full time job? ResModding would fit in nicely. Then you can protect all of your advertising threads while also learning how many people report them. Win. Win.


Now *THAT* made this thread worth reading :)
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Caliandris Pendragon
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03-27-2006 13:24
From: Hiro Pendragon
For that matter, perhaps resmods should be forced to read each and every thread to make sure things are fair. If resmods can't be consistant otherwise, that may be the only choice.

Who said that had to be absolutely consistent? Seems to me that they aren't being paid, and should be interfering in the forums a minimum amount of time. I would have thought that all your complaining was pointing in that direction too. If they are constantly reading ALL the threads and trying to be "consistent" all the time, it will lead to more interference, not less.

I would prefer the resmods to be led by their commonsense to move those threads which cry to be moved, and to leave those that don't alone. They are not robots or clones, and they may differ again from the Linden approach. So what? My life is too short to be constantly protesting. I assume that if they move one of my threads it is because they think the thread will be more appropriate in another thread. It isn't as though they are moving them all to the New Zealand Meat Market Board website or something. They are still on SL's forum.

For goodness sake leave em alone. I think this batch is far superior to the earlier one...at least they tend to keep their cheerleading to a minimum. It would be good if others could follow their example.
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