This is just WRONG!!!!!!!!!

Lordfly wins. Thread over ^___^
(Now I'm really going!)

Yeah, it's gone bonkers, its amazing what people will overlook in the name of humor.

I propose a new law; The Digeridoo law. For anytime there is a disagreement and someone cries *Witch Hunt*.

If you are a member of the W-asshats she most likely IS telling the truth.

If you consider history only when it fits your political point of view, then i'm not surprised your knowledge of history is zero.



Supposedly?



Even putting aside the enormous difference in numbers there is an enormous difference between victims made during ages of wars, when basically every country/party/religion of the world has it's share of deaths and supposedly civilized 20th century.
Moreover i wouldn't blame murders made by governments that merely used the flag of christianity as an excuse (hitler anyone?) upon christianity itself.
Government are a political entity that have very little to do with christianity.



There are many ways of giving orders, and anyway being a leader of a group implies responsibility. One cann't come clean of the actions of the group he leads just by telling "oh but i don't give orders, they are bad boys but i'm nice!"



Since when the american sensitivity if the only parameter that matters?
Americans never tried communism (or it's danger) upon their skin, and anyway it's well known that the quality of history studies in the US (at least in pre-university school) is unfortunately quite low and still biased by the '50s need not to offend Stalin that was still a potential ally, or at least someone to be left alone.
Ignorance, though, is not an excuse.



If you associate with griefers and don't shun them for their behavioir you shouldn't be surprised of being accused of being a griefer yourself.



Maybe you can get your brain at work and think: "if there is so much "reactionary nonsense" against us, maybe is there a reason?"



Of course, for instance while doing my drive around the world tour, i had the misfortune of passing on the road that crosses Baku, with only members of the W-hats around (thank goodness for Radar applications). Knowing well how they are i drove away as far as possible, But as soon as i had to stop to take a picture of one of the great builds of the nearby sim a W-hat member managed to catch up (again with no one else around for a whole sim) and found myself bombarded by particles, lagging me to hell for some good 5 minutes.



Again doesn't the thought that there may be a reason for this enter your head sometimes?



Now we are almost beginning to reason, come on, you can do it.
The sole fact that W-hats leaders do nothing to stop the griefing from a quite high number of their members (you know, you can remove someone from a group with a click) make them responsible for the griefing. Associating with terrorism but not committing the act yourself makes you any less a terrorist? i doubt it.



Even not considering that the PDS doesn't exist anymore, it's unfortunate that historical awareness is something that fades away too fast with the passage of years, allowing people to act in the same stuopid way their ancestors did. Anyway tell this top the ones that risked their lives to flee from East Germany, across the famous wall, or to the relatives of the ones that were murdered while trying.
Even now i see lots of people escaping Cuba to get to the US, how comes there is not so many people trying to escape to Cuba?



You might as well ask them why they considered the money they received from the first israeli colonists when they sold them the land a symbol of friendship and love (since they so heartily accepted it).
Or you may ask to the friendly arab neightboring nations why they tried to crush israel in their early days (and got their asses whooped in a spectacular way while trying)



Does this excuse in any way the fact of doing it yourself?



People killed by such countries are a VERY small fraction of people killed by communism all around the world. Every nation fought wars, the difference stands in numbers and in the targets.
Communist countries mostly exterminated their OWN people, by the way, in a vain attempt to choke any kind of freedom, of speech and intent and democracy
It's interesting that every time someone criticizes your actions or your distastefulk building you recur to freedom of expression as an excuse, but then you use symbols of the party that crushed freedom the most in world history.
But after all there are still communists that think that bringing democracy to a nation that was a bloody dictatorship is a bad thing.



If you don't take the responsibility of excluding the bad apples then you can't expect people to think you are any good. If you continuoisly "jab" at people, as stated by your members multiple times in this thread, you can't expect then not to react.

I had no idea you were "TEH KINGZ OF DEH HUMORZ". Do we need a rubber stamp approval before laughing?

I humbly submit 405 collated pages of light bulb jokes to your Joke Approval Department. I expect a prompt reply.

You're yelling about the W-hat group as a whole, which is really no better than them categorically calling all furries sexual deviants. Both sides are wrong.

Stop telling folks what they should be laughing at.

LF

Right, that's why I noticed you all congregating, champing at the bit this morning, waiting for someone to challenge you.

It was HILARIOUS! I sat here, working away at RL stuff, taking a peek in the general forum who is on list every now and then, and damned if you folks were'nt massing up like globflies.

So I tested it, I made one post, and you all went crazy, and haven't stopped since. I am sure its all one big coincidence that after Nora was called out as an individual, you all started rallying. Give me a break. What's really amazing is that you all try to shirk this groupthink label, yet many of you act in concert whenever one of you is mentioned. Christ, at one point I was answering to like a dozen of you. then I was told I was posting to much. I am sure had i gone silent, I would've been ridiculed for that too.

I am NOT trying to change you. I am simply exposing the excuse making and blame shifting you are so good at.

For the record, you aren't going to change me either. So you can continue to stream dozens of people at me, I don't care. I am not intimidated.

BTW, do you have a penis fixation?

When they will begin banning true "cyber terrorists" from their grup then people will probably stop thinking they are such as a whole, if they don't isolate and shun griefers between their numbers, they implicitly (or often explicitly) endorse their actions.

Naw, I think you have just over-estimated your own intelligence. Many SL residents are simply tired of the griefing of members of W Asshats. If the other members don't want to be grouped with these tiresome clowns then they should self police their organization and ban these buttheads instead of defending them everytime they harrass other players.

If the furries don't begin banning the true "sexual deviants"...

If the Christians don't begin banning the true "fundamentalists..."

If the SL community doesn't begin banning the true "griefer kin"...

Blah blah blah.

Individuals =! group.

LF

http://sozialisten.de/sozialisten/aktuell/index.htm - PDS web site (in German)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Party_of_Democratic_Socialism

It's the SED that doesn't exist any more - although it can be argued that it merely changed it's name to the PDS.

From the Wikipedia article - "The PDS is the junior partner to the Social Democratic Party in the coalition governments of two German states, Mecklenburg-Western Pomerania and the capital Berlin....It remains strong in local government in eastern Germany, with more than 6,500 town councillors and 64 elected mayors."

In no sense am I a Stalinist - I find the electoral support for former communist parties in eastern europe rather interesting as it disproves the clear-cut certainities that some have.

Furries are not a single organized group, are a way to dress, and there is no way to ban someone from dressing in the way he likes.



Comparing SL to real life? Not very clever. The group structure in SL is very different and much more controllable than the one in rEAL LIFE



The SL community by itself has no power of banning anyone. If you replace "community" with "admins" yeah, that would be a neat idea.

Not one of those analogies can be effectively compared to a SL group, where you can ban people with a simple click.

Look LF, it is not incumbent on the person who is the butt of the joke to find humor in whatever is the SA/W-hat humor flavor of the week. Some, including yourself may find it humorous, others don't. If others don't, they need to recognize that and go elsewhere. This thread was about a possible abuse of the rating system by people acting in concert. If you support that, I am sorry, you are wrong in my book. Just because you, like myself, couldn't give two shits about rates, doesn't mean that others don't or that they are wrong for doing so. Some of the comments made by W-hatters in this thread clearly indicate total disregard for other SLers and the rating system, as fucked up and flawed as it may be. It's like saying that it's ok to steal a car if the keys are on the seat.

I find it ironic that you admit both sides are wrong, yet you took sides at the very beginning of this thread.

You are not the moderator, figure it out.

Lately, about all I hear from you is *witch hunt* and it's growing old.

Stop telling me what to do, dad. If you don't like what I have to say, you know what to do.

It's mostly supported by youngsters (exactly like the rioters in South Korea that would like to rejoin North Korea, while everyone that has ever been there can witness that it's the most grim, sad and gloomy country of the world) that have no historical knowledge. Exactly like the uprising of neao-nazi groups, by the way.
Unfortunately ignorance on history tends to lead to bad errors.
As i said it's sad to see how historical conscience tends to fade so fast and easily as generations pass.

yup the those that fail to read history are doomed to repeated it syndrome..

you got me! Your out of context quotation has proven that W-Hat is an indefensible trainwreck.

This is such a bogus discussion that it's hard even call it a "disagreement." You and Shiryu finger-point at W-Hat for various things, in particular you claim that W-Hat members team up and "internet fight" as a single entity, and then vehemently deny that we have any affiliation with the members who were causing trouble. Now, look over this whole thread. Take a good look. Where in this thread did any W-Hat member defend any of the actions of the people accused to "bad behavior" in the original discussion? This entire argument has revolved around the fact that you guys have this endless, completely bogus idea that W-Hat is some monolith of griefing, or even just of working together. I've explicitly stated the reasoning behind the many griefing incidents in W-Hat, in the post you quoted out of context I might add, and you completely ignored my argument. The fact that none of us have done the thing you are claiming we do (gang up and defend our W-Hat "bretheren" doesn't make a shred of difference to you, apparently. The entire reason why any W-Hats are in this discussion at all is because W-Hat was blamed for this incident from the second reply. I already said it, but I'll say it again: some W-Hats are going to be griefers. So are some new, non-W-Hat Secondlife players. All it means to be a W-Hat is to have been introduced to Secondlife through the SA forums. We are as much a "single entity" as the group for people who came to SL from Uru Live. If you started accusing Uru Live players as a whole of being responsible for something that some Uru Live players did, wouldn't you think they'd be defensive? Why is it that if we're defensive, that's a different scenario? It's not. We're from an internet forum: end of story. If you cannot accept that fact, if you insist on believing we IM each other to argue with you in coherent unison, then you are simply delusional.

Likewise, W-hat is not an organized group, they simply come from the same website's forums, and there is no way to ban someone because they go to a website.




But you're asking them to ban folks because some people refer to them as "terrorists" and "griefers", because of a few negative ratings. That's hyperbole to the max. Terror and Griefing are relative things. Furthermore, W-hat is a private group, and they can do what they please with their members.




So why is everyone trying?



Well, I can ban anyone from Real Life with a simple gunshot because they don't agree with me, but that's an abhorrant idea too.

LF

I don't see them being removed from the group as well. SO if you don't take any action against such behavioir, while you could, you endorse it. Simple as that.

Sup guys?

They DO have a formal group structure and hierachy (officers/members) and have the practical powers for removing them from the group.



Sure, and should take responsibility for it.
Before you tell there is no way to ban someone because they go to a website and then you tell they can do what they please with their members? Contradiction anyone?
And the "few negative ratings" are just the very tip of the iceberg.



Because, thankfully, no communist has managed to crush freedom of expression here, yet.

Key word being "was". Now it's an attempt to stir up more forum combat by demanding the castration and removal of a group of people in SL because of the "neg rate attack".



If you're being backed up against the wall because a few of your friends are throwing eggs at cars, aren't you going to be flippant?



PArdon my lack of logical arguments, but I have no idea what this has to do with anything.



I usually err on the side of freedom of expression.



Pot to kettle, come in kettle, black, etc. etc.



Of my 1600 posts I've used that phrase maybe inside of a dozen times. You're easy to tire.



Stop telling what a group in SL should do, grandpa. If you dont' like what they're doing, you know what to do.

LF

Shiryu Musashi is a W-hat gimmick account

laffo

Only because the forum officers started the group; they are truly a group of peers coming over from the forums. Last I checked the "leader" of the other forum (LowTax) doesn't play SL, and he would be considedred their "leader", I guess.





They do, and then they laugh because it's funny while everyone in here tears their hair out over some temporary social numbers.



Really? What else have they done? Give me a list.

This thread is now w-hat only group disscusion.

Non w-hats leave.










Sup doodz?

In the same way that W Asshats make themselves look stupid? Well, with the exception of Huns. I am actually surprised he is a member of such a pathetic group. I thought he was cooler than that.