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The ideal woman?

Enabran Templar
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08-16-2005 14:24
From: pandastrong Fairplay
Maybe they don't want to be called "classy broads"? :eek:


"Don't be sexist. Broads hate that." -- Groucho Marx
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Sezmra Svarog
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Join date: 8 Jul 2004
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08-16-2005 14:30
This whole topic's been on my mind a lot too, lately. I'm not sure why, perhaps it's because I've been "getting out" more, and thus seeing the avatar fads today.

My own usual av nearly annoys me in a way. She's *supposed* to be somewhat thin and tall, as her character dictates. (I tend to flesh out personas I've developed over the years, in my head, in these types of worlds, "sezmra" being the one closest to me) I'm hugely fond of her, but I find myself shortening her randomly, and making her plumper, out of my own irritation with the current "female av trend".

To each his own, still. My personal tastes don't get in the way of my ability to interact, however. If someone likes their av, rock on. Right?

It doesn't stop me from branching out in other av-uses, though. My own furry-creation, a Templar bot, and a SL version of my RL self. I always tend to find the well proportioned avs to be attractive, for both genders. They're really just more pleasing to look at. :)
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Enabran Templar
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08-16-2005 14:30
From: Jonquille Noir
Probably for the same reason I don't wander around in WhipBitch clothing, lingerie or a Little Bo Peep dress.. because it makes me feel like I'm playing dress-up.

While that may be a major part of SL's appeal to a lot of people, it's not my personal taste. My av dresses pretty much like I do.. jeans, bohemian styles, hippie sandals.. It's what I like, and what I personally find appealing.


Mm, that's fair. I probably should have clarified my question as "...instead of whoreslut clothing that would embarass your grandmother to see you in." I mean, if you're going to play dress up, you may as well do it right. :)
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pandastrong Fairplay
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Join date: 16 Aug 2004
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08-16-2005 14:31
From: Enabran Templar
"Don't be sexist. Broads hate that." -- Groucho Marx


Never heard of him. Is he FIC? ;)
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Jonquille Noir
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08-16-2005 14:37
From: Enabran Templar
Mm, that's fair. I probably should have clarified my question as "...instead of whoreslut clothing that would embarass your grandmother to see you in." I mean, if you're going to play dress up, you may as well do it right. :)


Gotcha. That's something I've never really understood either. With all the choices, why do some people choose to look like 2-bit hookers? :) Personal taste, I guess. (Though I have a bad habit of assuming the worst offenders are probably men.)
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Gabe Lippmann
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Join date: 14 Jun 2004
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08-16-2005 14:42
From: Beau Perkins
Not everyone can pretend to be a unique individual though.


Pretending does get tiresome.

I enjoy all shapes and sizes, it's the beauty of the game. My AV started out as average as I could make it. My preference for suits and glasses, however, often makes me feel self-conscious even though I know nobody even notices.
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Garnet Psaltery
Walking on the Moon
Join date: 12 Apr 2005
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08-16-2005 14:54
I like my avie - it's pretty much my younger self except for being tall. Always wanted to see what's on the top shelf.
Mina Welesa
Semi-retired
Join date: 19 Dec 2004
Posts: 228
08-16-2005 14:56
Interesting thread.

I've made minor changes over time with my AV, but so far I've refrained from turning her into an accurate reflection of how I see her. I really want an AV who shows her age, who doesn't have a perfect figure and would never pass for a "model"... I get a little closer each time I make a change, but I think I may finally do it right one of these days.

Note to Ingrid: That's why you won't catch me in a black leather jacket! :)
Dry Martini
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08-16-2005 15:04
From: Ingrid Ingersoll
The ideal woman?...


You, my dear :)
Aliasi Stonebender
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08-16-2005 15:27
From: Jonquille Noir
Gotcha. That's something I've never really understood either. With all the choices, why do some people choose to look like 2-bit hookers? :) Personal taste, I guess. (Though I have a bad habit of assuming the worst offenders are probably men.)


To be fair, I'm usually modest, and dress as I might dress in reality (at least, when wearing a human AV), but wear midriff-revealing tops more often than might be proper.

Dammit, I spent forever finding a skin with a stomach I liked, I'm showing it off! :)
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Pol Tabla
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08-16-2005 15:33
I think "attractive" means different things in SL than in RL. It's a well-known fact that men are visually stimulated (while women are subtler in that respect). That's why I think a woman who's looking for attention in SL can have a fair bit of success by going the conventionally attractive route. Ring a bell, the dog salivates.

(Speaking of which, what do ladies you like in a male av?)

I myself am not attracted to avatars, for the most part. They are a bit too expressionless and mannequin-ish. In some ways they are actually a hindrance to communication, because they offer the expectation of human expression without ever giving it to you.

Those avatars I have been attracted to tend to have strong personalities behind them, people who have found ways around the "expressionless doll" effect. I have a tough time narrowing down what they might have in common...I think perhaps they've achieved a certain level of realism, which gives them more of a "presence" than other avs. This grounding in realism gives them a solid base from which to stylize their avatars, sometimes in extreme ways, without losing that spark of human presence. And the stylization is almost never sexually-oriented...it's all personality.

Branch Rickey said that "Luck is the residue of design." I say that in SL, sexy is the residue of personality.
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Dianne Mechanique
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08-16-2005 15:34
From: Broken Templar
Whenever I see an AV I honestly ask myself "I wonder how they look in RL" which is usually followed up with a peek at their profile. I get a kick out of how people design their bodies to reflect their own tastes. Some people look like their AV's, and that's fine, some look incredibly different than in RL, and that's cool too. Heck, part of SL is being able to taste something different for a while.

In the back of my mind, we're all like a bunch of kids on the playground. Each one of us is sitting there with his or her GI-Joe/Barbie (or in this case, custom AV) in hand projecting a personality onto them and acting out how we'd like them to be perceived. Some of us find solace in the average, some the extreme. When I see an Avatar, I try to imagine it as a facet of the personality of the whole person who is controlling it.
You are way to reasonable and open minded. How did you get on this forum anyway? :)
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Jonquille Noir
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08-16-2005 15:42
From: Pol Tabla

(Speaking of which, what do ladies you like in a male av?)


Like you, I don't find AVs really attractive. Any more than I would Barbies and Kens. I do appreciate their use for personal expression though, and that's what makes some stand out to me more than others. One of my favorite male avs in the 'physical' sense is Jack Linden. The av is lean, not 'costumey' dressed, and has sort of dishevelled black hair. It's realistic looking and has a personality to it.
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Seth Kanahoe
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Join date: 30 Jan 2005
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08-16-2005 15:50
We're all toons. Toons. Not women, not men (how would you know?). Toons. And SL is Cartoon Channel Virtual.

I regard my toon the same way I regard a leather jacket - an item of clothing that provides a spatial reference and lightly summarizes what I feel like. And while I might like someone else's sweater, it isn't gonna make me breathe harder.

Cuz we're all toons unless and until we take that step back into reality.
Camille Serpentine
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Join date: 6 Oct 2003
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08-16-2005 15:53
My AV depends on my mood.
sometimes she's purple and thin
sometimes she's green and large
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HoseQueen McLean
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08-16-2005 15:54
I've thought about this quite a bit as well because my av is not exactly the barbie doll sort. Just yesterday in the welcome area someone asked me why my av was "chubby." Fair enough question I guess, but I wasn't sure how to answer.

I made my av based on my own perception of what is beautiful and interesting. I didn't base it on what I thought would attract men, and I think that's the difference.

The avs (male and female) I find visually appealing are different or unique in some way, and not necessarily conventionally beautiful - but I like them for daring to be different :)
Roseann Flora
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08-16-2005 15:58
From: HoseQueen McLean
I've thought about this quite a bit as well because my av is not exactly the barbie doll sort. Just yesterday in the welcome area someone asked me why my av was "chubby." Fair enough question I guess, but I wasn't sure how to answer.

I made my av based on my own perception of what is beautiful and interesting. I didn't base it on what I thought would attract men, and I think that's the difference.

The avs (male and female) I find visually appealing are different or unique in some way, and not necessarily conventionally beautiful - but I like them for daring to be different :)



Not a barbie here either...and I like the way my AV is and thats all that matters :D
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08-16-2005 16:02
From: Jonquille Noir
Probably for the same reason I don't wander around in WhipBitch clothing, lingerie or a Little Bo Peep dress.. because it makes me feel like I'm playing dress-up.

While that may be a major part of SL's appeal to a lot of people, it's not my personal taste. My av dresses pretty much like I do.. jeans, bohemian styles, hippie sandals.. It's what I like, and what I personally find appealing.



AMEN sista :)
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Lash Xevious
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Join date: 8 May 2004
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08-16-2005 16:43
I feel sticking to my RL shape is restrictive and unimaginative. But when I do create a shape, there's no ideal look to it. The human body is a work of art, so whatever shape it comes in, I find myself appraising it.

There's nothing wrong with people owning a barbie look or whatever. What I find disturbing is the stigma directed to those people who choose to look that way.

I don't think less or more of a person if they wore a spiked-thong or a 3-piece suit. What I do care for is the thoughts, behaviours, actions that come out of their heads.

I don't have an ideal for women in general, but I know the ideal I have for myself. And every day, I chisel away at that idealistic vision so that I'm left with I already have. :D
Trep Cosmo
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08-16-2005 16:51
From: Jillian Callahan
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*preens*

(Yes, I paid Aimee the royalty to use that.)
Just my opine: My absolute favorite human avatar is Trep Cosmo's. I find her av to be wonderfully real, and therefore quite attractive. All the pushpin shaped avs out there are fine, but after a childhood filled with Barbie, I'm a bit ready for something more interesting.


Wow! Jillian...I don't know what to say...but thanks! And I gotta track you down for hugs now!

From: Dianne Mechanique
I havent seen Trep Cosmo's but I completely agree.


Dianne (and anyone else interested), if you want to see my apparently popular avatar, just look me up. I'm more than happy to drop by (or bring you to me) to say hi and chit chat.

Now, on to my opinion on the subject. Lately I've been hammered with this very thing. One my main qualms about the "ideal woman" is that attachment makers seem to build their stuff around this person. I guess setting the sliders all to zero (except the breasts and ass which go to 110) is how we're all supposed to look for attachments to fit. Had a recent experience where the designer wouldn't even help me get a proper fit. They just told me I'm on my own. Kinda harsh if you ask me. Maybe I should've asked for the shape file to go with it so I can look like the "ideal woman" and fit into the gear.

Then one of my friends and I were playing a few nights back when she bruntly told me how tiny I was. That really hurt.

I honestly don't think we'll see a major change in avatar shapes. The reason being is that we're all constantly bombarded by these images of what we "should" look like. Clothing ads, movies, TV shows...heck, even pornography (just once I'd like to see something normal!)

I'm glad some people appreciate normal things inside a virtual world. I know I certainly do.
Aliasi Stonebender
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08-16-2005 17:39
From: Trep Cosmo

Then one of my friends and I were playing a few nights back when she bruntly told me how tiny I was. That really hurt.


Damn. Now, I admit, since I've been doing more building I've been wearing a variety of heights to make sure I leave enough clearance, but *my* usual shape is on the shortish side too. Well, SL short... not bad as a RL height, 5' 8". But in SL, that leaves you staring at people's chest... unintentionally.
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Siggy Romulus
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08-16-2005 17:54
CHROME!

We need more chrome women goddamnit!


As for me.. eh, there are certain things I stick with mainly for nostalgia -- such as the ponytail and bald noggin..

Apart from that its anything goes whenever I have a wild hair up my arse.

Atm I think I'm a chrome midget android djinn.. or some rot....

Siggy.
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Burke Prefect
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08-16-2005 18:01
I need the option to make my entire avatar shiny.
Then I'll be walking around like Silver Surfer, only with the nVidia logo tatooed to my ass.
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Adrienne Belvedere
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08-17-2005 05:42
since i joined SL, ive had a chubby avatar, for i while i did go around with what i call super model proportions, for a experiment, i noticed i got more compliments when i was my normal short fat self, .. and i missed my curves so i changed back again.. i love how i look. I was in transylvania the other day and i saw a very curvacious goth, really quite large but well proportioned .. i thought she looked lovely.


Here i piccy of my chubby self
Catherine Cotton
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08-17-2005 05:45
anyone can be a "barbie" av. I find those that take the time and are somewhat different than the "norm" to be the more creative and interesting av's and ppl.

Cat
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