Get Me Off That Key List

The whole thing please. YOu deliberately left out the point.

or create any derivative works of the Linden Software or the Service, or otherwise use the Linden Software except as expressly provided in this Agreement.

A Linden software file is indeed being used for a purpose not specified in the agreement. Unless stated explicitly, the activity is not allowed.

How many users do you think they'd lose if it said the following...

"Any information collected about your character or in world presence by Linden Software files, barring none, may be freely compiled an published on the internet or any other meidum".

They don't say it because it would be crazy. It's not allowed.

And even if it did, it wouldn't matter jack-all-squat to the bajillion other keylists out there, which were obtained in game (Such as my own).

Stick to the point. We are discussing this list as an example of why this practice should be pursued and stopped. Just because a million people are committing a crime doesn't mean it's not a crime.

I quoted the entire passage you did. In fact, I copied directly from your post. I deliberatly left out no point.

To respond to that, in any event, this is not 'creating a derivative work' of the 'source code of the Linden Software"

But it is using a portion of the software for unintended use. You think the Linden INTENDED this?

I would have to say, show me the evidence. Unless otherwise stated, YOU MAY NOT.

You don't get to call me on 'not sticking to the point' if I'm adressing an issue you brought up. Doesn't work that way. You can't throw an arguement out and then declare it taboo for discussion.

Ah yes. Broken down to semantics.

The community is not public. It is private, closed, owned by LL. When they say "public", they mean within the confines of their private world. I'm pretty sure they wouldn't argue that.

The use of the software, in any way, to compile spam lists, is not intended. It is more than likely a violation.

ARgue that.

Actually, I would have to say, given the VAST amount of ways to obtain the UUID of an avatar, that the lindens DID intend for people to obtain it. Otherwise we wouldn't have, you know... all those multitude of functions that get the UUID of an avatar.

You're argueing semantics at this point. One keylist out of an untold multitude of them obtained it's keys from the name.cache file. The end result was exactly the same, and didn't bog SL down by using sensors to collect the data, as most did. You are free to say that the information in name.cache shouldn't be stored client side, if you want, but that doesn't effect the data itself, which is easily obtainable from a multitude of sources.

I think that's an accusation that's best left up to LL to decide.

I'm not too certain I agree with SL being a "closed" community. I'd hate to see the bloggers leave -- otherwise, I'd have nowhere to refer others to see what's taking place in SL.

As far as privacy's concerned -- I think the original issue behind this conversation is important, if it doesn't follow the same fate of many forum threads -- attack/counter-attack. What is private information and what is public information? Is my name -- Captain Barmy, any more public than my key?

It's a hard line to draw.

--CB

If you purposely and knowingly overflood a computer on the net with data it is considered DoS and it is a federal crime and easy to track and punishable by Jail time. I would really consider other options. Your local police will not matter in a federal offense, the FBI does take it extremely serious.

I'm not even going to try, because I absolutely agree. Spam is bad.

However, as no spam lists have been created to my knowledge, and given that spam is ALREADY very strongly disallowed in the ToS, the point is moot. You yourself said that spam was not the issue, and spam has not happened. So you're trying to introduce a straw man arguement, and I'm not going to fall for it.

Doesn't matter. They are obtaining it from the software to build a list. That is not an intended use of the software. It is irrelevant how many other places you can get it. In fact, I'd say, if you get it in game, then you have accepted your role as part of hte closed community. The "everybody else does it", or "but you can do it all over" I don't believe is legally sound ya know. But officer, everybody is drinking on the street, it's St Patty's day! There's people right there drinking now! Sorry son, but you got caught. That's what matters.

And moving the info from the private, closed community, to the open, public net, is wrong.

I'll grant, they may say, "oh ok, well, that is an intended use". That would be very, very interesting to a variety of privacy organizations I'm sure. As you did with my name, so can a marketing organization now do searches for every name on that list, more than likely obtain a list of RL names and addresses, and do their thing. This list provides a venue for that. How many other ways or places you can do this is not relevant. They are not under examination, this is.

And how do I know this is not exactly what they are doing? And that they are selling it? How do you know?

You don't. And if you did receive such a mail, you would have no way, at all, of every proving they got the lead on that info from that site. And I'm sure they know that. This is why LL should forbid the practice. It contributes to the overall problem.

And again, no, I never said spam is not the issue. I only said, I am not afraid of recieving it in SL.

One thing about all this, I'm going to start searching for this info on the net. And if I find my info there, well, my targetting reticles will multiply.

Breathe.

Hmmm

*never mind* not my place to judge

Oh hi *waves and smiles*

Has anyone asked about this in Hotline To Linden yet?

Yes, click here for their response.

Personaly, this is the way I see it:

We lack llName2Key for a reason. The same reason also propelled them to ensure that the name.cache list is encrypted rather then exposed as plain-text.

Granted, there are multiple ways to achieve a list of keys. However, all of them include an active scan of an agent or object's creator UUID.

Non of them are easily and readily accessible at a push of a button. This is not due to an oversight - this is clearly by design.

I am personaly pro having a llName2Key function. However, I'd rather challenge this design by debating it rather then crossing the lines and posting the whole list as a readily accessible public resource without prior authorisation from LindenLab.

They implemented all of these obstacles for a reason. I'd rather not see it come and bite my ass before hearing out what the reason actually is.

Please remove my key from the list.

I only have one question about this... though keys are publicly available information--what good could come of a list of such keys? Perhaps someone could explain that because I'm unable to think of any possibilities...

Course it could just be that I don't really care and haven't thought about it enough.

Automated instant messaging and content delivery (objects), along with some other possibilities.

Good - Helps to setup distributed vendor systems.

Bad - Opens you up for easy spam, object flood, and agent monitoring.

I figured as much, but I thought that was too simple. Why is a list needed? Shouldn't something like that be an OPT-IN type thing where you sign up for auto-notifications of news or whatever? (Although, one might argue that "auto notifications" or giving out objects like this is one of the functions of GROUPS.)

Why is a *list* needed? Not that I care too much that there is one. (Unless I get some kind of spam some day.)

The one legit use of the list I've been able to think of is automated gift delivery. Something I'm keen to install in my vendors. The list is nessesary as there's no llName2Key() (Something I think *should* exist.)

Lol. Too many Grisham novels or <fill in some pop pulp author> m'friend. And maybe easy to track if cut loose by say, oh...a mac user. Nobody was even imaginarily implying an attack on a Consulate or the Fed here. No physical harm, death threats, or suicide hoaxes, even by the farthest stretch of the imagination implied. Go ahead call the FBI. OMG that's funny. Yeah they'll lock me up for suggesting, on a game site, how to break a web site service--a web site service that offers users the ability to decrypt commercial software files (not my words, it says so right on the front page)--by submitting a text file accepted by the site! Oh lordy, this is amusing. A thief steals from a chopshop, and the chopshop calls the FBI...

...ahhh * wipes tear * Eddie Murphy would get another movie out of that one. And maybe we'd see the next in that series of books you're reading. Suffice to say, I remain unconcerned.

Blogger, fine. Keep me out of your articles. List collector, shame on you, keep me off your lists. Land scanner, whatever, keep your trash off my property.

What is so hard to get about
leave me out of it
leave me alone
leave it be
leave.

Tcoz,

Based upon your constantly shifting argument, how exactly are you going to get references to your avatar out of Google?

Another legit use is any external web site service, like the online shopping sites can use this to not require an avatar to go to some kiosk somewhere to link their key to their account - they can send the avatar an item directly to do the linking. It also enables gift delivery to users who are not registered shoppers.

You clearly stated your intentions of intentionally overwhelming their system knowingly and deliberately.

You need not target federal sites, you need not target state sites, you can even target your next door neighbors site and still have the same penalties when caught. I, nor anyone here.. nor the site owner of the "information" you so desperately hate, even needs to call. The hosting company that hosts that site will take appropriate action, record the important information and trace back the location which is originated all quite automatically I might add.

I think it is you that needs to breath some, let out your steam but I would never suggest openingly admit your intentions of committing a crime in an open public forum myself.