Address of said 30k list?
Because yes. I will go after them too.
I don't want to be on that list. I don't want be involved. It clearly disturbs me. All I ask is that you remove me and the problem goes away.
Hosting services would be well advised to prevent their users from publishing this sort of thing.
WHY don't people just get that? What's so hard about that?
I'm unlisted in the phone book. I fight having my cel phone number published. I request that every marketing company that calls me removes me from their call list. I'm on the "don't call me list". CLEARLY this sort of thing bothers plenty of people, and the law is coming around our way. I consider this invasive practice "scary". It whittles away at our right to privacy, until eventually no info at all is private. Everything, everywhere, is public.
You want on that list? Fine. Your preference. You don't care? Your choice. I DO NOT, and I DO. And yes I'm angry about it. The problem just gets worse and worse, until every thing you do, everywhere you go, you are on a list, and you will, sooner or later, be contacted from it.
It is the list builder that is culpable. They enabled it. The, "they could have gotten it somewhere else" argument is bunk.
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Tcoz Bach
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05-07-2005 13:40
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Nolan Nash
Frischer Frosch
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05-07-2005 13:46
Address of said 30k list? Because yes. I will go after them too. I don't want to be on that list. I don't want be involved. WHY don't people just get that? Did you ask them to remove you first? It seems to me a lot of this caterwauling and threats to "go after" people is probably unnecessary if you had just asked, rather than went off shouting about it in the public eye and making assumptions. I feel that I must ask why, if you're so offended by this list, and have deemed it so nefarious, you're providing a link to it? _____________________
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Tcoz Bach
Tyrell Victim
Join date: 10 Dec 2002
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05-07-2005 13:48
Hah. Nobody look at the criminal. Nobody talk about them. Nobody make them visible. That'll make 'em go away.
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blaze Spinnaker
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05-07-2005 13:48
I think your desire for privacy is reasonable, but your arguments seem a bit misdirected.
For example, if you are against spam - that's fine. Be against spam, but beware that it's already against the TOS. Your assumption that the release of keys will necessary cause spam is unfounded. LL is staffed with technically savvy individuals who no doubt hate spam as much as you. I'm sure they can derive a technical solution to solve that problem as they do have 100% controll over all communications. However, there are concerns about privacy you haven't addressed in this thread - now anyone will be able to measure your online habits. When you are logging off, and when you are logging on, for example. These are a huge potential invasion of privacy. I think the answer lies more in that SL needs to give us "online invisible" modes so that when we log in, people can not necessary determine our online status. _____________________
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Ace Cassidy
Resident Bohemian
Join date: 5 Apr 2004
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05-07-2005 13:48
I don't want to be on that list. I don't want be involved. WHY don't people just get that? And I don't want to live have a big club move in next to me, or have my vehicle crash at every sim crossing. I can't do anything about that either. Get over it, Tcoz... Its not a TOS violation. Its not a crime. And all your whining, complaining, and wild flailing of the arms ain't gonna change squat. - Ace _____________________
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Nolan Nash
Frischer Frosch
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05-07-2005 13:51
I think your desire for privacy is reasonable, but your arguments seem a bit misdirected. For example, if you are against spam - that's fine. Be against spam, but beware that it's already against the TOS. Your assumption that the release of keys will necessary cause spam is unfounded. LL is staffed with technically savvy individuals who no doubt hate spam as much as you. I'm sure they can derive a technical solution to solve that problem as they do have 100% controll over all communications. However, there are concerns about privacy you haven't addressed in this thread - now anyone will be able to measure your online habits. When you are logging off, and when you are logging on, for example. These are a huge potential invasion of privacy. I think the answer lies more in that SL needs to give us "online invisible" modes so that when we log in, people can not necessary determine our online status. _____________________
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Tcoz Bach
Tyrell Victim
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05-07-2005 13:52
As I've said.
I don't care what you think. As you clearly don't care what I think. Sounds all equal here to me. WHY do people have to do this sort of thing? WHY can't they just mind their own god damn business and leave people who want nothing to do with it out of it? WHY? The find function is in world, created by the developers of the software. It is part and parcel of the game. Not being hosted by a private individual on the public internet for their own purposes against my wishes. Flawed. _____________________
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Cristiano Midnight
Evil Snapshot Baron
Join date: 17 May 2003
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05-07-2005 13:53
that problem as they do have 100% controll over all communications. However, there are concerns about privacy you haven't addressed in this thread - now anyone will be able to measure your online habits. When you are logging off, and when you are logging on, for example. These are a huge potential invasion of privacy. I think the answer lies more in that SL needs to give us "online invisible" modes so that when we log in, people can not necessary determine our online status. Again, more FUD - what is with the hyperbole? This can already be done in SL Blaze, without the publication of any list. This has nothing to do with the key list, so don't add innacurate information here, no matter how much you like to stir the pot. _____________________
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Nolan Nash
Frischer Frosch
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05-07-2005 13:53
As I've said. I don't care what you think. As you clearly don't care what I think. Sounds all equal here to me. WHY do people have to do this sort of thing? WHY can't they just mind their own god damn business and leave people who want nothing to do with it out of it? WHY? The find function is in world. Not being hosted by a private individual on the public internet for their own purposes. Flawed. What a great way to show you don't care, by repeating that you don't care over and over. _____________________
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blaze Spinnaker
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05-07-2005 13:54
I think we do care what you think. You're definitely wrong there.
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Naru Bomazi
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05-07-2005 13:55
I have just wasted precious minutes of my life reading these posts... why oh why do I do it.
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Huns Valen
Don't PM me here.
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05-07-2005 13:56
why don't you just ask her to filter you out
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blaze Spinnaker
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05-07-2005 13:57
Again, more FUD - what is with the hyperbole? This can already be done in SL Blaze, without the publication of any list. This has nothing to do with the key list, so don't add innacurate information here, no matter how much you like to stir the pot. It can, but it's more difficult. For example, with this list it's a trivial matter to add everyone in this thread to a list of people I want to track. Before, I had to track down their keys the hard way. Anyways, this was a privacy issue before as well. I think it's just more of one now because it's easier to track people. _____________________
Taken from The last paragraph on pg. 16 of Cory Ondrejka's paper "Changing Realities: User Creation, Communication, and Innovation in Digital Worlds :
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blaze Spinnaker
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05-07-2005 13:57
Anyways, these are basic privacy rights I get with Instant Messenger / ICQ / etc, so why not SL?
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Cristiano Midnight
Evil Snapshot Baron
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05-07-2005 13:58
As I've said. I don't care what you think. As you clearly don't care what I think. Sounds all equal here to me. WHY do people have to do this sort of thing? WHY can't they just mind their own god damn business and leave people who want nothing to do with it out of it? WHY? The find function is in world. Not being hosted by a private individual on the public internet for their own purposes. Flawed. Tcoz, Your threats to try to get something removed off of a web site that you don't like is very chilling, and the reason I spoke up. If this were your RL personal information, you would have support (though still not have much recourse to have it removed), but my god, you are talking about a fucking key, and huffing and puffing and threatening over it. Honestly, did you even ask to have your key removed, or just come on here like a crazed lunatic and start shouting? I don't blame them if they don't remove your key, I certainly would not have with your approach. _____________________
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blaze Spinnaker
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05-07-2005 14:00
Tcoz has every right to be concerned about his privacy and I suspect SL is going to do something about this.
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Cristiano Midnight
Evil Snapshot Baron
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05-07-2005 14:02
Tcoz has every right to be concerned about his privacy and I suspect SL is going to do something about this. Blaze, What privacy would that be? I can sign into SL right now and look if Tcoz is online. I can pay him money. I can send him an item - all outside of his control. Again, there is no privacy violation here. Linden Lab is creating a Name2Key function, and these lists have been in existence for a very long time. God, every time this comes up, someone freaks out, and yet, nothing happens. _____________________
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Fuzzy Koala
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05-07-2005 14:04
BTW, Tcoz, you don't own your avatar, or the key. You might pay LL a subscription fee, but they own your avatar.
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05-07-2005 14:06
I will post LL's response when I get it. This, imho, should clearly be verboten. you could post to the hotline about this. they tend to put out responses for public consumption there for specific questions like this. if you want to do this, do it today. responses tend to start on sundays. _____________________
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blaze Spinnaker
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05-07-2005 14:06
Yeah, I think that's a bit of a privacy violation as well.
However, let's say I wanted to provide a report of SecondLife usage of all the forum posters in the General forum. This wouldn't be particularly hard right now. I could just go cat keyfile | grep "Cristiano|Tcoz Bach|Ulrika|Blaze Spinnaker|Prokofy Neva|etc" > stalk_avatars.txt And then have an XML-RPC command which grabs the online status of these individuals every 30 minutes. From there, I could have a usage profile in graph form of every user on the list in a very trivial fashion. The other way I'd have to specifically hunt down each of there keys, which really would be a waste of my time. However, 12 seconds of my time to add to a single line grep command? Yeah, I could see circumstances where someone might do that. _____________________
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blaze Spinnaker
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05-07-2005 14:07
Fuzzy Koala, fuck right off.
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Cristiano Midnight
Evil Snapshot Baron
Join date: 17 May 2003
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05-07-2005 14:10
If you are so opposed to this Blaze why did you participate and make suggestions in the efforts to decrypt the cache file?
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blaze Spinnaker
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05-07-2005 14:17
I'm not opposed to the keyfile at all, in fact I have regularly encouraged LL to release a llName2Key function
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Cristiano Midnight
Evil Snapshot Baron
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05-07-2005 14:22
I'm not opposed to the keyfile at all, in fact I have regularly encouraged LL to release a llName2Key function I'm just staggered by the fact that I can't log on in "invisible" mode much like I can with IRC / Instant Messenger, etc. Agreed - I have wanted that for awhile as well - I am bombarded the moment I sign into SL sometimes. It does seem to be a very basic thing, but I imagine if the system were not designed for it, it may be hard to retrofit it into it now - and as you know, "privacy" (an overused word) has never been a big concept in SL. _____________________
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Tcoz Bach
Tyrell Victim
Join date: 10 Dec 2002
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05-07-2005 14:23
Fuzzy, I don't mind that here. Why?
Because you are all SL users. You all have to log in. This is a closed community controlled by LL. Not an open, public, non-LL site. This list site, or any site of that nature, is not. And it encourages the use of a portion of the SL software for an untintended reason...creating spam lists. That, whether you acknowledge it or not, is a questionable practice to say the least. And Cristiano, it does say exactly that on their site...the purpose is to decrypt a file from the SL software for private, non-LL use. You're not supposed to use any portion of the software for that sort of thing. Pretty sure it says that right in the TOS, or EULA, or whatever (as it says that in every game's EULA etc.). Anyway Fuzzy, thank you for illustrating my point. You should be more careful about being goaded and manipulated into supporting the opposition. I was actually waiting for somebody to publish my key so I could make this point, and figured I just had to keep ranting until somebody was foolish enough to do it. I'm betting most people were smart enough to see that, but meh, I know this populace and knew sooner than later, you would arrive. You all know I don't tend to lose my composure like this. Fuzzy must be a noob. Man that was easy. So much so I feel kinda guilty. I just had to keep it going. Remind me to pos rate you the next time I'm in town, it'll make me feel better you poor dear thing... Again I thank you! _____________________
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