Get Me Off That Key List

I discovered I am on that list.

I am reporting this as a violation for the following reasons:

- I did not give consent to have my information distributed in this fashion. It is a spam compilation and I want nothing to do with it. I do NOT WANT MY INFO PUBLISHED on a private website for their own reasons. PERIOD. I expect LL to protect my privacy in this regard.

- It "decrypts" a file involved with the LL client software. That is undoubtedly an unintended use.

- It is just plain rude and unethical.

I will post LL's response when I get it. This, imho, should clearly be verboten.

I'd prefer a solution whereby our online status can not be determined via the Key.

What list?

This list.

http://www.ulrikasheim.org/tools/name2key.html

The user is collecting in game keys and distributing them in list format for the purpose of "Vendor Services".


I do not want, in any way shape or form, my information published on an individual's private site for their own purposes.

I did not give consent to this private user. They are publishing it against my wishes. As I'm sure they are doing to many other SL residents.

Ban that list, take it down. I've filed my report and will post the reply when I get it. If LL truly interprets privacy and security "in the broadest sense", then this is obviously a violation.

If LL doesn't provide it, neither should this individual. Take it down.

If the user simply hides it and it is discovered to still exist, the user should be permanently banned.

Furthermore, the user is encouraging others to violate privacy by making available a mechanism to submit lists of names ("to de-crypt such and such a file...".

You want to create a site where I can enter my own info if I wish, fine. But this, no way.

Coming in Summer, 2005 to a Forum near you:

II

The Key Mistress

Are keys links to your SL DNA or are they your SL SSN? I don't get the massive fear of keys. They are public information.

The Lindens are not obliged to stop these lists. There's nothing you can do about it.

Spam, on the other hand, is explicitly a TOS violation, so anyone using this list for such a purpose can be dealt with.

But simply compiling and making the list available is not a violation, and I would hope the Lindens just shrug their shoulders when the complaints come in.

- Ace

No privacy is being violated.

Your key is a matter of public record, and can be obtained with a LL-provided LSL function.

Sorry Tcoz, I've backed you before on occasion, but you don't have a case here.

I agree it would be nice if the person would remove a player's key when asked, but they are under no real obligation to do so, and LL is under even less to act on the case.

We shall see.

The fact that you are making available a mechanism to decrypt a portion of SLs software (that is exactly what the site says) is certainly an issue.

The fact that the list is being compiled under "vendor services", which clearly means that the intent is to provide vendors with target lists, is also an issue.

The info is now available to people that do not pay for SL. Why does that matter? I don't know...yet.

I'll fight it with everything I got. And if I don't get removed, maybe I'll just have to figure out, via the submission mechanism, how to break it.

Damn right. You take me off that list, you don't have a problem.

Or, maybe I need to start publishing some "public info" of my own, that you damn well may not want published. Hey after all if everything in SL is public, you won't be able to stop me, even if you clearly express to me that you would prefer I don't.

I do care. You are compromising my sense of security within the SL environment. It is hurting my SL experience and I want you to stop. ALL I ASK is that you remove me. THAT'S IT.

I am so not cool that I didn't even make the SL key list.

That's pretty damn uncool.

I'm reporting you for shattering my fragile ego.

First of all, "you" nothing. I didn't do this list. I have my own, compiled by my own means, thanks. A ton of scripters I know do.

Second, I find it... telling... that your response to an imagined privacy violation is the veiled threats to break the real-world law in an attempt to force your will in someone. Regardless of your views, vigilante justice, even on the internet, is still a crime. If I were Ulrika, I would make careful record of that post to submit to the authorities if anything should happen to her site.

OH HO how about that!

Submitting public information via that mechanism is encouraged. Hey I'm on the list. Shouldn't I be entitled to take advantage of it? It had better just be capable of accepting 1 million entries. That's all!

You honestly think some authority is going to get involved in this? Pfft go right ahead. In fact, call the police in my neighborhood. I know enough of 'em to know they'll laugh you right back over the bridge.

Go ahead, take your notes. I'm taking my own as well.

Oooooo, AND threatening to reveal private information (Which the ToS forbids) in relaliation for revealing something that is a matter of public record.

Woohoo!

Boy, I'm quickly losing any sympathy I might have had. No, check that.

I just lost the last of it.

Nowhere, anywhere, did I say I would submit private info. Spin your lies elsewhere.

Yeah and I lost all respect for you as you clearly endorse this obvious breach of decency.

It is advertise as decrypting a portion of the SL software. That is against the rules.

Please play again thank you.

Might wanna brush up on your definition of "denial of service" attacks if you don't think your walking into the fire with that line of logic.

In any event, go do it. Be my guest. Not my site you would be trashing. But I fully encourage Ulrika to seek legal action if something should happen.

Threats and bullying are pathetic. All the more when they haven't the support of law or ethics behind them.

Sorry, no limit to the size of the list is indicated.

The 1 million keys would be perfectly valid. In fact, maybe it will be 1 million repeats of my own key. You wanted it, you got it.

Riiiiight. Because, as we all know, "public information" when put in quotation marks, along with vague suggestions that we "wouldn't like it" is talking about our birthday.

And for the record, I don't endorse this. I've been against keylists all along, and have requested my name be removed from various ones in the past.

But I dont resort to threats and paranoid ramblings about getting someone banned if they dont conform to my will. I accept that there is nothing fundamentaly wrong with what they are doing, so I don't loose any sleep over it one way or another.

Hah.

If I ever commit a crime, I want you on the side of the prosecution. I would walk from a pile of evidence that would damn Mother Theresa.

And who the hell is this "you"?

LOL. I know the cops, I can't commit a crime even if I do...

Look man, the things you are threatening are far worse than any key list. I don't care if your uncle is Beauford T. Justice, a crime is a crime, and if you hack Ulrika's site, it's a crime and all the local Barney Pfeiffs in the world aren't going to save you and I highly doubt it will be your local donut munchers that will be contacting you if you do.

This is public info, and all the posturing and pre-supposition of what people will do with this info isn't going to change that fact.

Well, there's the fundamental difference.

You consider this "fundamentally" ok.

I consider it "fundamentally" not ok.

There ya go. And f all that nonsense about threats and bullying. I am stating exactly how I feel. This person is committing what I consider an invasive act against me. Sorry but I don't give a damn what anybody else thinks.

Look, people have made death threats here. People have pulled suicide hoaxes. And no legal action at all.

You think some vague line in a gaming forum about submitting a list of 1 million valid keys to a service that encourages decrypting commercial software is going to see action?

Pfft. Go ahead make your calls, take your notes.

Legal action is the perogative of the one attacked.

Just because you think you can get away with it doesn't make it legal.

And I will not "f all that" about threats and bullying, because that's exactly what your doing.

Ok, I'm going to end this now.

We are juxtaposed. I consider this an attack ON ME. And I'm going to defend myself from it. Period.

I don't care who doesn't agree. I WANT OFF THAT LIST.

I will notify the hosting service that the user is encouraging decryption of commerical software, and compiling lists against the wishes of the people on it for the intent of spam. It says, right on the page, "decrypting" and "vendor services". As I'm sure you did here, I got a screenshot of the page with that info on it.

That is, unless I am removed. Then I don't care. I am angry about this invasive and unethical practice. It's as bad as any marketing or spam list. At least most companies ASK you if you want your email etc. used by others. If more people were outraged by this sort of bottomfeeding practice and fought it, maybe we'd see less of it.

I don't care what you do. Just don't involve me. You do, well, then you involved me. Here it is.

EDIT: What a joke.

"And for the record, I don't endorse this. I've been against keylists all along, and have requested my name be removed from various ones in the past."

And then "I compile keylists of my own." Oh the horror.

Over and out.

First, damn am I so unpopular that I am not on that list, how can come on it.

Second what are they going to do with that list ??

Kill me ??
Take my money ??
Steal my inventory ??

Oh I know spam me !!! Oh well the ignore user feature is soooooooo handy

Tcoz,

Ok once again I don't understand this mass hysteria over a key. You are going so far over the line that it's crazy with threatening to go to an ISP and crying foul about decryption, as no decryption is necessary to get any of this data. Your key is public information in SL - there are multiple LSL functions and events that return a key - there are public scanners in SL that scan for keys near almost every telehub. Even Linden Lab has stated they are going to make a name2key function, as the need and benefit has grown now that SL has web sites offering services.

This has been rehashed a million times, and no single time has anyone ever shown anything nefarious that can be done with a key. Have you been bombed with spam? That is the TOS violation, not the disemmination of public information. You are making much ado about nothing, and honestly it is more than a bit scary how riled up you are over this. You know, your key is on many lists already right (including the massive 30,000+ key list that is being sold as a service)? Are you going to go after every one?

You don't own the key - it is simply an ID number assigned by Linden Lab. It is not your bank account number, your social security number, or anything else. There is nothing that can be done with a key that cannot already be done in SL anyway - people can spam you, people can send items to you, and people can pay you - the three things you can do with a key (IM,give item, and pay money to - notice not pay money from). All this freaking out over it doesn't change that.